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2 hours ago, Liverpool Rover said:

Lastly why are Spurs in it?

They are 9th biggest club in the world based on revenue.

And it’s all about the money.

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With the best, thats a good bit of PR, though I would say the Bedford team, theres, like, you know, 13 blokes who can get together at the weekend to have a game together, which doesnt point to expansion of the game. Point, yeah go on!

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6 hours ago, Bedford Roughyed said:

They are 9th biggest club in the world based on revenue.

And it’s all about the money.

Much the same reason that Dortmund are the invited team from German (other than Bayern).

Dortmund are currently 5th and haven't won the title in a decade.

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I'm not for or against the proposed ESL (yet), though I fully understand, I think, the issue of the founders not having to qualify nor get relegated and the concerns some may have that this might affect the Premier League as a competition.

I think,  too, I understand the current silence of the ESL orgsnisers: they would not have been heard over the cacophony of objections (some rational, many irrational) from the shouters.

Shortly, EUFA, FIFA, etc will spend on legal fees more than the value of our entire code, defending their expulsion threats. If EUFA ban teams from the current Champions League competition, J. P Morgan will sink them without trace by sting them with £ billions damages.

One hears from time to time that, using Arsenal as an example, fans demand that the owners open their wallets and buy Messi or some such big ticket name, then criticise attempts to generate the money to do so.

 

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Just heard the Chairman of the Euro Super League talking about football clubs being profitable, and they can't be profitable without doing this.

Here's a random thought - why don't they make their outgoings less than their revenue in order to make a profit and then they don't have to split football in the process?

This has been coming for a while. The lawyers will be the big winners and the fans the losers, as the scraps at the bottom of the pyramid, whatever the outcome

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1 hour ago, shaun mc said:

Just heard the Chairman of the Euro Super League talking about football clubs being profitable, and they can't be profitable without doing this.

Here's a random thought - why don't they make their outgoings less than their revenue in order to make a profit and then they don't have to split football in the process?

This has been coming for a while. The lawyers will be the big winners and the fans the losers, as the scraps at the bottom of the pyramid, whatever the outcome

why don't they make their outgoings less than their revenue in order to make a profit ....?

The fans won't accept that. Like in our sport, they are always on about owners putting their hands in their pockets to buy this superstar or that superstar.

Currently,  the lawyers are sure to win, I agree.

The fans need not be the losers, though.

I wonder what Lineker,  (£1.75 million a year from the BBC) has to say about the greed of the  ESL?

 

 

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1 hour ago, shaun mc said:

Just heard the Chairman of the Euro Super League talking about football clubs being profitable, and they can't be profitable without doing this.

Here's a random thought - why don't they make their outgoings less than their revenue in order to make a profit and then they don't have to split football in the process?

This has been coming for a while. The lawyers will be the big winners and the fans the losers, as the scraps at the bottom of the pyramid, whatever the outcome

It's quite easy for them all to be profitable. There is huge money in Football. What they don't need to do is spend hundreds of thousands every week on individual players. The wage bill at the top clubs would be tens of millions a month and the poor fan is expected to fund all of this. Its greed, pure and simple, that has led to football now being in the place it is.

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Such an important issue this so I rushed to make the comment

 

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1 hour ago, JohnM said:

I wonder what Lineker,  (£1.75 million a year from the BBC) has to say about the greed of the  ESL?

Very relevant, that.

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42 minutes ago, Damien said:

There is huge money in Football. What they don't need to do is spend hundreds of thousands every week on individual players.

Go a few years without winning anything and see how that goes.

With the best, thats a good bit of PR, though I would say the Bedford team, theres, like, you know, 13 blokes who can get together at the weekend to have a game together, which doesnt point to expansion of the game. Point, yeah go on!

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1 minute ago, Bedford Roughyed said:

Go a few years without winning anything and see how that goes.

Sorry that doesn't make sense. I'm talking about collectively. If clubs are saying they have no money and cant afford to continue as things are then they can stop paying ridiculous wages and cut outgoings. The very same clubs are trying to break away, it shouldn't be beyond the wit of the very same clubs to do something about the ridiculous amount of money they spend on wages and lining player and agent pockets.

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4 minutes ago, Damien said:

Sorry that doesn't make sense. I'm talking about collectively. If clubs are saying they have no money and cant afford to continue as things are then they can stop paying ridiculous wages and cut outgoings. The very same clubs are trying to break away, it shouldn't be beyond the wit of the very same clubs to do something about the ridiculous amount of money they spend on wages and lining player and agent pockets.

You're assuming that they are being even remotely honest about the reasons for the league.

They are not being.

They already get lots of personal wealth via these clubs and they would like more and they would like that to be risk free.

Do not try and understand it any other way.

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Indeed. Why else would they inject millions/billions into their clubs when they could realistically have invested in Tesla, bitcoin, Alphabet and others? 

However, anyone with any power threatening the ESL (e.g. EUFA,  FIFA, Premier League, etc) with various sanctions can only threaten once. After that, they have to act. However, that way lies legal action from people with more power,  more money and more experience at winning legal battles than EUFA etc.

 

 

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It’s a variation of the US sports league culture in a European environment. Quite the culture clash.

If the English clubs are banned from the EPL, I can see the TV rights value plummeting and the remaining clubs making less money.

TV companies may also sue if the most watched teams are banned from playing in their current competitions.

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Email from our CEO this morning 

Dear David,

I feel it is only right that, as CEO of your football club, I write to you directly following the plans made public over the weekend for a European Super League.

As a proud custodian of Everton, I, along with my fellow board members, understand the responsibility that has been entrusted upon us to maintain the traditions of your Club and of the wider game.

Everton Football Club was a founder member of the Football League and a founder member of the Premier League.

Throughout our history the Club has always strived to move both Everton and the game forward. But we have always done so within the parameters of the pyramid structure which maintains the principles of open competition and sporting merit.

Sadly, the plans that have been made public by 12 clubs from across Europe - and six in our own Premier League - do not maintain those principles.

At this time of national crisis - in the face of a global pandemic and in a defining period for football - clubs should be working together collaboratively with the thoughts of our game and its supporters uppermost in our minds.

Disenfranchising supporters across the game and undermining the very structure of the pyramid that underpins the game we love is, quite simply, wrong.

The response from voices across the game and beyond over the last 48 hours is understandable – and those voices should be listened to.

Rest assured, I, along with my fellow board members, will do everything possible to ensure our position on these proposals is made in the strongest possible terms - and the voice of Evertonians is heard, loud and clear.

It remains our hope that by working collaboratively, football will find the right answer for its future.

NSNO.

Denise
http://image.emails.evertonfc.com/lib/fe40157075640579731572/m/3/1d961928-d250-4e30-b019-9f53d7816098.png   Professor Denise Barrett-Baxendale
MBE, DL, EdD, MBA, BA (Hons), FRSA.
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Wheels are apparently coming off already.

One English club said to be considering pulling out.

Going on what has been said by 'pundits' that club is most like to be either Man City or Chelsea. Neither of whom have owners who really need the grief this is causing.

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1 hour ago, Copa said:

It’s a variation of the US sports league culture in a European environment. Quite the culture clash.

If the English clubs are banned from the EPL, I can see the TV rights value plummeting and the remaining clubs making less money.

TV companies may also sue if the most watched teams are banned from playing in their current competitions.

The TV rights for the Premier League would be worth a fraction of what they are now without Man Utd, Liverpool etc.

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6 hours ago, JohnM said:

I wonder what Lineker,  (£1.75 million a year from the BBC) has to say about the greed of the  ESL?

 

Build a man a fire, and he'll be warm for a day. Set a man on fire, and he'll be warm for the rest of his life. (Terry Pratchett)

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I thought rugby league fans would be in a unique place to be able to avoid the sanctimonious twaddle, woe is us melodrama and downright hypocrisy which has choked all forms of media since the announcement.

Perhaps not.

Grassroots paupers like Leeds and Everton outraged???

A prime minister who reacts 100 quicker than he ever did to Covid???

Mafias like the Premier League, UEFA and FIFA as the wounded victims???

Pathetic. All of it.

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2 minutes ago, marklaspalmas said:

I thought rugby league fans would be in a unique place to be able to avoid the sanctimonious twaddle, woe is us melodrama and downright hypocrisy which has choked all forms of media since the announcement.

Perhaps not.

Grassroots paupers like Leeds and Everton outraged???

A prime minister who reacts 100 quicker than he ever did to Covid???

Mafias like the Premier League, UEFA and FIFA as the rounded victims???

Pathetic. All of it.

There is indeed bucket loads of irony involved here , that is fair . It’s all about greed ... what about the fans ... the community ... good old fashioned principles of football . Well , that ship sailed long ago , probably 1992 . And I’m sure uefa expanded the european cup to rake in the dosh . It is crappy but some taking the moral high ground in and around the game need to look in the mirror !

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18 minutes ago, DavidM said:

There is indeed bucket loads of irony involved here , that is fair . It’s all about greed ... what about the fans ... the community ... good old fashioned principles of football . Well , that ship sailed long ago , probably 1992 . And I’m sure uefa expanded the european cup to rake in the dosh . It is crappy but some taking the moral high ground in and around the game need to look in the mirror !

Quite.

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27 minutes ago, marklaspalmas said:

I thought rugby league fans would be in a unique place to be able to avoid the sanctimonious twaddle, woe is us melodrama and downright hypocrisy which has choked all forms of media since the announcement.

Perhaps not.

Grassroots paupers like Leeds and Everton outraged???

A prime minister who reacts 100 quicker than he ever did to Covid???

Mafias like the Premier League, UEFA and FIFA as the wounded victims???

Pathetic. All of it.

All of that is quite true.

Still doesn’t stop this breakaway league being a vile idea though that is *even worse* than the odious stuff we have now.

Granted, I’d like to see even 1% of the *visible* outrage happen when England run out at a World Cup venue that has literally cost the lives of hundreds of slave workers.

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