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41 minutes ago, Hopping Mad said:

2,600 for Halifax v Bradford, on a day when the home team were eyeing an eighth consecutive win. An attendance described as "decent" by Martin Sadler. Decent? Really?

What was their average crowd before Covid, was it even 2,000? I thought 2,600 was ok (not amazing) given the circumstances. 

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3 hours ago, Just Browny said:

Better solution might be to fill that North Stand with folk. 

maybe card board cuts out again...

Mind you a fair portion of the empty seats will be corporate... many staying in the facilities and not sitting in their stand seats... so maybe inflatable one's that can be blown up if they stay in the bar/lounges looking out the windows.

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3 hours ago, Just Browny said:

Better solution might be to fill that North Stand with folk. 

maybe card board cuts out again...

Mind you a fair portion of the empty seats will be corporate... many staying in the facilities and not sitting in their stand seats... so maybe inflatable one's that can be blown up if they stay in the bar/lounges looking out the windows.

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6 hours ago, Dave T said:

My point on all of this is that external factors are having a huge impact crowds at the moment, none of this is to suggest that RL is in great shape and no better can be done, but that was also the case when Leeds used to get 16k crowds for gams like this.

But if we look at that direct comparison of 2020 vs this year - vs Wire Leeds got 12.1k versus 9.1k last night. If we look at the differences, the main ones are the whole pandemic thing. We didn't have standard sales processes for this season, we are playing at 7.30 on a Sunday versus the standard Friday night, we have reluctance to buy tickets as games are getting called off, we have people isolating, we have people nervous about attending huge crowds - I can easily see how this would affect the crowd by this kind of %. 

Exactly the same point goes for Wire v Wigan on Wednesday which was a good few k lower. 

These games in reality, are probably somewhere between the Cup games and League games, and that is what we are seeing.  

Spot on Dave , I know this only applies to Leigh as all other clubs fans travel by train only 😉 , but my Missus runs the coaches for away games , ATM the coach companies are still nervous about covid , suggesting only half capacity , which means double the price , as I said this doesn't affect any other clubs apart from Leigh 😂

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56 minutes ago, Eddie said:

What was their average crowd before Covid, was it even 2,000? I thought 2,600 was ok (not amazing) given the circumstances. 

Someone posted the stats further up. Its been slowly declining over the past 5 years from just over 4k to 3.oddK

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3 hours ago, paulwalker71 said:

Well, I looked it up and it's pretty interesting actually

  • 2021  2600
  • 2020 cancelled due to COVID
  • 2019  3316
  • 2018 we were in League 1
  • 2017  3412
  • 2016  4108
  • 2014  4589

So what we've actually seen is a steady decline over recent years, pretty worrying really given this really ought to be our flagship derby match

 

Welcome to the world of lower tier RL 

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2 hours ago, Eddie said:

It’s a sad fact that most people a few miles away in places like Speke and Halewood won’t even know there’s a semi pro RL team on their doorstep. Maybe even Runcorn too. 

Rubbish 

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3 hours ago, Mumby Magic said:

At the Shay?

Yes at The Shay

I was there for the 2015 and 2016 games and there was a great atmosphere with around a 50/50 split between the two sets of fans.

What was the makeup of the crowd yesterday?

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11 minutes ago, Eddie said:

You think loads of people in Speke know about Widnes Vikings? Have you ever been there? 

Exactly, a lot of people in places in the periphery of RL genuinely don't have a clue. If they know a Super League club (usually one of the bigger ones), then they probably will say they play "rugby" and think that's the same thing as the 6 Nations.

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1 minute ago, Tommygilf said:

Exactly, a lot of people in places in the periphery of RL genuinely don't have a clue. If they know a Super League club (usually one of the bigger ones), then they probably will say they play "rugby" and think that's the same thing as the 6 Nations.

I doubt many people in Speke know what the 6 nations is either, but yes definitely you only have to go a few miles from established RL areas for knowledge of the game to completely disappear. 

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39 minutes ago, paulwalker71 said:

Yes at The Shay

I was there for the 2015 and 2016 games and there was a great atmosphere with around a 50/50 split between the two sets of fans.

What was the makeup of the crowd yesterday?

Hard to tell. The away end Bulls wise was really gappy. I'd say easily two thirds were Halifax.

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48 minutes ago, Eddie said:

You think loads of people in Speke know about Widnes Vikings? Have you ever been there? 

Did loads or work all over Merseyside for 2 decades , loads of people would chat about the rugby , they never went as they were football fans , but they were aware of the teams 

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4 minutes ago, Mumby Magic said:

Hard to tell. The away end Bulls wise was really gappy. I'd say easily two thirds were Halifax.

So maybe 2000 Fax and 600 Bulls? 

There we have the reason for the gradual fall off in attendance in the fixture, because we were taking 2000+ a few years back (and I'm not talking about the 'glory days', I'm talking about 3-4 years ago)

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2 minutes ago, paulwalker71 said:

So maybe 2000 Fax and 600 Bulls? 

There we have the reason for the gradual fall off in attendance in the fixture, because we were taking 2000+ a few years back (and I'm not talking about the 'glory days', I'm talking about 3-4 years ago)

Hence I think it's covid aswell. Plus I think alot have fallen off due to long term lower divisions. I'll be there and have enjoyed league 1 etc. Said to my dad that there was ironically alot of new faces out of the wood work cos it was derby day. We have to be positive though. I remember in the 80s when Northern got what we get at home on the championship attendance wise. We've been busy etc a few times yet still have a fan base. I'd have taken 1800 as a good attendance yesterday.

 

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2 hours ago, GUBRATS said:

Cheaper option , cheaper result , looks kak 

Once crowds get back to ~14k there won't be a concern at Headingley.

Unlike, say, a cheap flatpack ground with several thousand plastic red seats which have been permanently empty since they were installed.

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Regulars to this site would know I made a bit of a mission following attendance stats in RL but since Covid I haven't bothered with UK figures because they are not a reflection of the real picture. Once 'normality' returns I'll get back into it.

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31 minutes ago, M j M said:

Once crowds get back to ~14k there won't be a concern at Headingley.

Unlike, say, a cheap flatpack ground with several thousand plastic red seats which have been permanently empty since they were installed.

When will Leeds’ crowds get back to 14k though? They’ve got a lot of work to do to get them back? 

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2 minutes ago, RayCee said:

Regulars to this site would know I made a bit of a mission following attendance stats in RL but since Covid I haven't bothered with UK figures because they are not a reflection of the real picture. Once 'normality' returns I'll get back into it.

I agree, but if we don't get that bounce back next season (which is absolutely possible), then whilst this year won't be a reflection of the real picture, it will be the defining moment in the game's status for several years.

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4 hours ago, redjonn said:

maybe card board cuts out again...

Mind you a fair portion of the empty seats will be corporate... many staying in the facilities and not sitting in their stand seats... so maybe inflatable one's that can be blown up if they stay in the bar/lounges looking out the windows.

That is a bit of a sad compromise that had to be made really.

These types of seats always look thin in the second half at every sport. That said most grounds don't focus 90% of these seats right in front of the TV camera shot however. Wembley gets/got criticism regularly for being empty in the blocks immediately surrounding the tunnel (which is on Camera) for most events held there.

As a consequence of the camera placement at Headingley, I've not really ever been able to tell how well the seats at the top of the South stand do by comparison. These were always a bit of an odd move as I saw it - as it weakened both North and South stands. But perhaps its affecting the North Stand more in terms of the sparse crowds there?

Undoubtedly there is so much revenue to be made from the corporate at Headingley. From a financial point of view its a no brainer. I just hope they can now focus on us normies in the rest of the ground soon.

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1 minute ago, Marauder said:

The game is now so predictable and sterile it's fast taking over the mantle of being the boring code, variation has gone, dead. 

The games last night and tonight we're cracking. More of that and won't be an issue. 

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1 hour ago, M j M said:

Once crowds get back to ~14k there won't be a concern at Headingley.

Unlike, say, a cheap flatpack ground with several thousand plastic red seats which have been permanently empty since they were installed.

We have long , long threads on here about image and perception of RL , Leeds should have sacrificed a couple of corporate boxes and put the cameras facing their most occupied , atmospheric part of the stadium , what's all the posts we see about short term gain , grabbing every little penny at the cost of genuine long term growth 

That's all , oh and at least we supply all our fans , both home and away with a roof 👍

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