marklaspalmas Posted September 30 Share Posted September 30 Here is a list of players from previous England squads, train-on groups etc. who have not made the England squad. Can you help me fill in whether these players are out because of fitness (they've been or are injured) or because of form (just not good enough according to Wane) Not really a thread for debating ins & outs, just info on the names. Please indulge me as I haven't kept up with SL in 2022 as I might have done. Ta. 1 Hardaker 2 Evalds 3 Marshall 4 Johnstone 5 Percival 6 Ashton 7 Wardle 8 Newman 9 McGilvery 10 Davies 11 Dodd 12 Lomax 13 Ratchford 14 Widdop 15 Connor 16 Clark 17 McShane 18 Leeming 19 Walmsley 20 Philbin 21 Currie 22 Farrell 23 Hodgson 24 Sutton 25 L Burgess 1 https://www.fevarchive.co.uk/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dunbar Posted September 30 Share Posted September 30 This is accurate as far as I know. 1 Hardaker - not selected 2 Evalds - injured 3 Marshall - not selected 4 Johnstone - injured 5 Percival - injured 6 Ashton - not selected 7 Wardle - not selected (Knights) 8 Newman - injured 9 McGilvery - retired from international duty (then injured) 10 Davies - not sure 11 Dodd - injured 12 Lomax - injured 13 Ratchford - not selected 14 Widdop - retired 15 Connor - not selected 16 Clark - not selected 17 McShane - not selected 18 Leeming - not selected 19 Walmsley - injured 20 Philbin - not sure 21 Currie - not selected 22 Farrell - injured 23 Hodgson - injured 24 Sutton - not selected 25 L Burgess - not selected 1 2 "The history of the world is the history of the triumph of the heartless over the mindless." — Sir Humphrey Appleby. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marklaspalmas Posted September 30 Author Share Posted September 30 Muchas Gracias Dunbar 1 https://www.fevarchive.co.uk/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bedfordshire Bronco Posted September 30 Share Posted September 30 Marshall and Hardaker are the really stupid non selections for me 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dunbar Posted September 30 Share Posted September 30 (edited) 9 minutes ago, Bedfordshire Bronco said: Marshall and Hardaker are the really stupid non selections for me I could see the value of Marshall in the squad as he has had a good year. But why anyone would want to take Zak Hardaker into the camp who has let teams down time and time again I have no idea. Edited September 30 by Dunbar 7 "The history of the world is the history of the triumph of the heartless over the mindless." — Sir Humphrey Appleby. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DavidM Posted September 30 Share Posted September 30 56 minutes ago, Dunbar said: This is accurate as far as I know. 1 Hardaker - not selected 2 Evalds - injured 3 Marshall - not selected 4 Johnstone - injured 5 Percival - injured 6 Ashton - not selected 7 Wardle - not selected (Knights) 8 Newman - injured 9 McGilvery - retired from international duty (then injured) 10 Davies - not sure 11 Dodd - injured 12 Lomax - injured 13 Ratchford - not selected 14 Widdop - retired 15 Connor - not selected 16 Clark - not selected 17 McShane - not selected 18 Leeming - not selected 19 Walmsley - injured 20 Philbin - not sure 21 Currie - not selected 22 Farrell - injured 23 Hodgson - injured 24 Sutton - not selected 25 L Burgess - not selected I’m hoping Sutton is not just not selected but I guess he is until we know otherwise for definite 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dunbar Posted September 30 Share Posted September 30 4 minutes ago, DavidM said: I’m hoping Sutton is not just not selected but I guess he is until we know otherwise for definite I like Sutton and I would probably have had him in ahead of Lees and Cooper but it's not a deal breaker for me. He has been in and out of the Raiders squad this year so I don't think he is a huge miss. 2 "The history of the world is the history of the triumph of the heartless over the mindless." — Sir Humphrey Appleby. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ragingbull Posted September 30 Share Posted September 30 Luke Burgess retired years ago 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bedfordshire Bronco Posted September 30 Share Posted September 30 1 hour ago, Dunbar said: But why anyone would want to take Zak Hardaker into the camp who has let teams down time and time again I have no idea. Not aware of him causing issues on camps like England He's older, more mature and in amazing form Taking Zak would be smart in my view 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jughead Posted September 30 Share Posted September 30 Percival, Lomax, Dodd, Walmsley, Newman and Farrell make the squad if fit. The rest, you can make a case for Davies and Marshall over Hall and probably Leeming over McIlorum and that’s about it, for me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Number 16 Posted September 30 Share Posted September 30 49 minutes ago, Ragingbull said: Luke Burgess retired years ago Did he mean Joe... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dunbar Posted September 30 Share Posted September 30 3 minutes ago, Bedfordshire Bronco said: Not aware of him causing issues on camps like England He's older, more mature and in amazing form Taking Zak would be smart in my view He left the England camp mid tournament in 2013. As for mature. Afraid He has had far too many second chances for that to ring true. The best indicator of future behaviour is past behaviour. There may (and it is a huge 'may') be some players talented enough that you take a risk on them but Hardaker is not even close. "The history of the world is the history of the triumph of the heartless over the mindless." — Sir Humphrey Appleby. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MatthewWoody Posted September 30 Share Posted September 30 What a player McGilvery, some years ago! Toronto Wolfpack Global Ambassador Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DavidM Posted September 30 Share Posted September 30 I wonder why they call international get togethers a ‘ camp ‘ like they all sleep in a field ? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Just Browny Posted September 30 Share Posted September 30 Philbin broke his leg mid season. I can confirm 30+ less sales for Scotland vs Italy at Workington, after this afternoons test purchase for the Tonga match, £7.50 is extremely reasonable, however a £2.50 'delivery' fee for a walk in purchase is beyond taking the mickey, good luck with that, it's cheaper on the telly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DavidM Posted September 30 Share Posted September 30 Do we think Dodd would have been picked in the squad ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dunbar Posted September 30 Share Posted September 30 2 minutes ago, DavidM said: Do we think Dodd would have been picked in the squad ? If his form had carried on, or improved, from his season start then yes. "The history of the world is the history of the triumph of the heartless over the mindless." — Sir Humphrey Appleby. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wellsy4HullFC Posted September 30 Share Posted September 30 Topped the try assists charts despite being out for chunks of the season and in a terribly performing Hull team, surely there's room for Jake Connor in the squad even in a "incase of emergency, break glass" capacity? I mean, if a Warrington player can get in the squad... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bedfordshire Bronco Posted September 30 Share Posted September 30 1 hour ago, DavidM said: I wonder why they call international get togethers a ‘ camp ‘ like they all sleep in a field ? How do you know they don't? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jughead Posted September 30 Share Posted September 30 (edited) 1 hour ago, DavidM said: Do we think Dodd would have been picked in the squad ? Up to his injury the Saints spine of Welsby, Lomax and Dodd was in great form. Wane was a fan and had him in his training squad. Edited September 30 by Jughead Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SalfordSlim Posted September 30 Share Posted September 30 I've been a big fan of Ryan Hall over the years and he's been our best winger at international level in a fair while. However, he's way past his best and has lost a lot of pace so shouldn't be in the squad. Marshall > Hall but Joe Burgess > both Marshall & Hall. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeytherRob Posted September 30 Share Posted September 30 13 minutes ago, Jughead said: Up to his injury the Saints spine of Welsby, Lomax and Dodd was in great form. Wane was a fan and had him in his training squad. But for the injury to Dodd and Roby's retirement from internationals, I think you could make a fair case for England just using saints full spine of 1,6,7,9 and 13 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DavidM Posted October 1 Share Posted October 1 10 hours ago, Bedfordshire Bronco said: How do you know they don't? I don’t . Maybe they do and when they get up they do a carry on camping style warm up Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Derwent Posted October 1 Share Posted October 1 13 hours ago, DavidM said: Do we think Dodd would have been picked in the squad ? In the form he was in then yes. Same with Mikey Lewis who seems to have been forgotten about, he was sensational at times before he got injured. 1 I’m not prejudiced, I hate everybody equally Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
graveyard johnny Posted October 1 Share Posted October 1 14 hours ago, DavidM said: I wonder why they call international get togethers a ‘ camp ‘ like they all sleep in a field ? because they all have to enter the John Inman impression competition on the 1st night see you later undertaker - in a while necrophile Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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