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Die Hard isn't a Christmas movie

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5 minutes ago, DI Keith Fowler said:

Edward Scissorhands is also a Christmas film on this basis.

As is Trading Places.

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1 hour ago, Leonard said:

Someone tried to convince me Frozen was a Christmas movie.

If the requirement is snow - then we might as well add in The Thing and Ice Station Zebra.

The Thing always gets me in a Christmassy mood. Violence, fear and aliens, the three main components of Christmas Day I thought. 

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I think what we need to be looking at here is not necessarily whether Die Hard is a Christmas movie but rather what elements make up a Christmas movie because some of the arguments being made here could be applied to films people consider established Christmas movies. 

Let's to The Grinch for example. The Grinch is not about Christmas. Yes it takes place at Christmas but Die Hard does and people here are saying that is not what makes a Christmas movie. You see, The Grinch is not about the title character hating Christmas but actually his hatred of people and thus his desire to ruin the time of year that makes them happiest. Christmas here is used as a tool to move the main theme of the film on, not to act as the main theme in that the film could have been set during any other celebration or holiday and still have been the same film. Christmas is not what makes The Grinch what it is. It could have been set at Easter and had him stealing people's Easter eggs or set at Thanksgiving and had him stealing their Turkeys and you would still have got the same effect. 

So what are the key elements that actually make a Christmas movie? 

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On 23/12/2022 at 09:26, The Hallucinating Goose said:

I think what we need to be looking at here is not necessarily whether Die Hard is a Christmas movie but rather what elements make up a Christmas movie because some of the arguments being made here could be applied to films people consider established Christmas movies. 

Let's to The Grinch for example. The Grinch is not about Christmas. Yes it takes place at Christmas but Die Hard does and people here are saying that is not what makes a Christmas movie. You see, The Grinch is not about the title character hating Christmas but actually his hatred of people and thus his desire to ruin the time of year that makes them happiest. Christmas here is used as a tool to move the main theme of the film on, not to act as the main theme in that the film could have been set during any other celebration or holiday and still have been the same film. Christmas is not what makes The Grinch what it is. It could have been set at Easter and had him stealing people's Easter eggs or set at Thanksgiving and had him stealing their Turkeys and you would still have got the same effect. 

So what are the key elements that actually make a Christmas movie? 

I'm not sure, if we extend this logic we end up with A Christmas Carol not being a Christmas film. 

Incidentally I will be watching the Muppets version today which is by far the best.

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So, let's park this now and revisit in about 360 days.

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Unless I missed it I don't know how this thread got this far without mentioning "The Great Escape"?

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10 hours ago, Number 16 said:

You missed it. Or you've blocked me!

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Radio 5 Live: Saturday 14 April 2007

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This country's wealth was created by men in overalls, it was destroyed by men in suits.

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