Friday 23rd June: L1: Dewsbury V Oldham: KO 7.30pm, Flair Stadium, Dewsbury

[chiefgeneral]

59 minutes ago, ManchesterYed said:

Completely agree with this, absolute garbage shout from young yed. Some of the rugby we have played this season as been great to watch.

from where we was last season this season as been a massive up lift with the signings of Meodows Ah Van Paga baker and bringing wilko back, just need to bring a few more signings in the back line and another forward of the calibre of Moran and  the lad from Batley we’ve had 

 

Brace yourself for another signing coning soon

[YoungYed]

1 hour ago, jroyales said:

What a load of garbage!!!!!!!!!! I've not enjoyed watching the Yeds as much as I have done this season. They are playing exciting attacking rugby with a steeliness in defence. Young Yed needs to read comments on other forum pages of the sides who have just beaten us and they all say the same they were impressed by the Yeds and unlucky not to have taken the points. Read the above comment from Graham Fisher.

I know it's always ifs and buts but sadly dropped balls, players infringements bad refereeing calls aren't the coaches fault.

I just hope Littler is with us next season in the championship.

How can you say it’s garbage I’m speaking facts we will never get promoted with littler in charge. Tell me what he’s done since he’s been in charge. We have bottled it three times against Doncaster and lost twice to dewsbury. We can say we play good rugby against the bottom half of the table but when we play the big teams we can never get the job done. 

[m brooksy]

Very annoying performance especially first half. We don't respect the ball at all and it cost us massively last night. We made at least 8 errors in the first half and none of them were forced by Dewsbury. Then the 2nd and 3rd Dewsbury tries were very soft with poor efforts from our supposed good defenders in Baker and Meadows. Got to get Hirst and Cameron into the back row and move those two to back up middles.  

Th ref gave some very iffy decisions mostly in our favour. How Nelmes didn't get carded for twice stopping a tap 20 i'll never know. The Carr one already mentioned where he looked to prevent a 40/20 also was poor. Dewsbury didn't throw too much at us in attack but there set completion plus defence containing us in our own 20m was fantastic and they thoroughly deserved to win. Davies was superb off the bench for them

I think the positives are players like Paga, Moran and Wilson. Paga has been excellent all year, plays with huge aggression for a half and is nearly always a threat ball in hand. Moran has been our best player since hes signed and has to start for me. Wilson was cracking again last night. Forber looked good but at the expense of Wilkinson who spent most of the second half on the sidelines. 

[The Art of Hand and Foot]

1 hour ago, YoungYed said:

How can you say it’s garbage I’m speaking facts we will never get promoted with littler in charge. Tell me what he’s done since he’s been in charge. We have bottled it three times against Doncaster and lost twice to dewsbury. We can say we play good rugby against the bottom half of the table but when we play the big teams we can never get the job done. 

No you are not speaking facts! You are giving an opinion. The season isn't over yet. To be frank I'm not overly concerned because in five years time Doncaster and Dewsbury will still be bobbing about between tier two and three. I'm quite confident, now that we have a decent forward thinking board,  we'll be up there where we should be. Littler will only go if he loses the dressing room. My opinion, for what it's worth, is that he's a million miles from that.

[Rob95]

6 hours ago, ManchesterYed said:

Agree, unsure why we changed it. seemed to effect the dynamic of the team with wilkinson playing a different role, the Wigan youngster obviously has plenty quality, I was speaking with a fan who knew slater and he wasn’t happy I believe. Don’t start the old dual reg debate on here. 

I tend to be a reader rather than a commenter on here unless I can directly answer a question , but for a change I'll give an opinion now . 
We have Meadows playing 2nd row instead of prop where he was playing well , he's wearing 10 so presume that's his position .  This then allows a Wigan youngster to play prop (sorry he's not big enough for a prop at open age yet)  and 2nd row  Cameron an Oldham lad misses out. 
We bring in Forber on dual reg , who looks the same type of player as Wilkinson and so Slater another Oldham lad misses out. Wilkinson and Slater compliment each other well in the team they are different styles of hooker , I stand by my opinion that we have the 2 best hookers in the league.
Dual reg should be to cover injuries or suspensions .
Rawsthorne needs game time , he may prove to be a great signing but so far he has missed chances in this game and against Doncaster was beat on his outside twice for tries and looked suspect in defence , would Hartley or Brierley done better , I think so .

To the game for all the great effort comments etc , we have just suffered our heaviest defeat and scored comfortably the fewest points in a game all season . yet the lack of wins against Doncaster or Dewsbury previously have been greeted with near meltdowns .

Littler's post game comments ,whilst I appreciate there is only so much he can say , but to keep spouting out this tripe of "we are a work in progress" just doesn't cut it , we are 2/3rds of the way through the season , this is his team from the start of the season , only Moran , Rawsthorne and loanees have come in . So if we are a work in progress then maybe this is because we keep bringing in Wigan loanees. What's happened to Blagbrough, Thornton , Bardsley and others 

[shrewsbury roughyed]

For me, the fact that we are having discussions about who should play where, best positions and why we should have done better against Doncaster and Dewsbury, actually indicates both the distance we’ve travelled over the last year and also the heightened (and seemingly realistic) expectations at the club. We are a million miles away from the disastrous season of Mat Diskin and Brian Mac. Also much better positioned to move up and hopefully stay up than under Scott Naylor and Chris Hamilton. In Paga,Moran, Ridyard, MacNally we have very strong players. I would add Hirst to that group and agree with earlier comments regarding Meadows. Nelmes has rediscovered his form. Dual reg- I agree that if they’re not guaranteed better than what we have and developing what we have doesn’t cost us matches then we stick with our own. I fully expect us to be in the playoffs and I think we have enough to beat Doncaster. Littler is right- we’re not the finished article but we’re a damned sight closer than at this time last year 

[YoungYed]

3 hours ago, The Art of Hand and Foot said:

No you are not speaking facts! You are giving an opinion. The season isn't over yet. To be frank I'm not overly concerned because in five years time Doncaster and Dewsbury will still be bobbing about between tier two and three. I'm quite confident, now that we have a decent forward thinking board,  we'll be up there where we should be. Littler will only go if he loses the dressing room. My opinion, for what it's worth, is that he's a million miles from that.

The facts are littler isn’t good enough to get the wins against the bigger clubs. He says the same thing week in week out but no change. Tell me something he has done productive in his time as coach? We have another 3 big games coming up Workington, crusaders and hunslet if we lose one of them no way the board can stick with him. Most new owners have a new manager lined up and I presume that this board is no different. Another fact is he got sacked from Swinton he’s not even an established coach. 
 

Apart from hunslet at home and Workington away has the team beaten an established club yet in his management? Get him out!!!

[Happyed]

I think you may be on your own with this one youngyed!

[The Art of Hand and Foot]

1 hour ago, YoungYed said:

The facts are littler isn’t good enough to get the wins against the bigger clubs. He says the same thing week in week out but no change. Tell me something he has done productive in his time as coach? We have another 3 big games coming up Workington, crusaders and hunslet if we lose one of them no way the board can stick with him. Most new owners have a new manager lined up and I presume that this board is no different. Another fact is he got sacked from Swinton he’s not even an established coach. 
 

Apart from hunslet at home and Workington away has the team beaten an established club yet in his management? Get him out!!!

Here's some facts. The board control the overall strategy, the coach controls the tactics. I know, I know, there is a cross over between the two , but in principle that's how it works. The recent Dewsbury game we lost, effectively 3 tries to 2. Now according to reports we bombed 3 certain tries due to mishandling by individuals. Now you can argue that the coach was responsible for picking three butterfingers. But they may have sticky fingers during training. The fact, yes it's a fact, that players were opening up their defence, shows the tactics are working. My opinion is that the coach is doing his job well.  Another fact, we won the second half. No mean feat.

[SUPERSTUD]

Dewsbury fan in peace. Posting this before reading all the previous comments. IMHO Oldham have the POTENTIAL to be a very good team. Ball in hand i actually think they may just about be the best team in league one. HOWEVER they are too passive in all round defence. This will ultimately cost them. Over to you Mr Littler.

[sheddingswasus]

3 hours ago, YoungYed said:

The facts are littler isn’t good enough

Fordy is attending the training sessions too so I assume he is happy with the coach

i think young yed is talking rubbish. 

[shrewsbury roughyed]

9 hours ago, SUPERSTUD said:

Dewsbury fan in peace. Posting this before reading all the previous comments. IMHO Oldham have the POTENTIAL to be a very good team. Ball in hand i actually think they may just about be the best team in league one. HOWEVER they are too passive in all round defence. This will ultimately cost them. Over to you Mr Littler.

 

9 hours ago, sheddingswasus said:

Fordy is attending the training sessions too so I assume he is happy with the coach

i think young yed is talking rubbish. 

If Fordy is attending the training sessions, as ex England rugby union defence coach - you may well be right, our defence will be b*gg*rred! JOKE - before anyone gets offended…

[Blind side johnny]

On 24/06/2023 at 03:28, ManchesterYed said:

Unsure how to feel after that one, we had the chances to win the game but didn’t take our opportunities and had a lot more chances than a very direct Dewsbury side. 
 

in the first 20 minutes we should have been 3 try’s to 1 up with the new winger fumbling the ball with no one in front of him and the Wigan prop loanee who dropped the ball with the line begging and then the Wilkinson Ridyard and McNally link up for our first try  on the new wingers edge. 
 

I’d  like to see Paga organise more opportunities on is edge but if we get the correct people around our play makers we will score plenty opportunities. 
 

build the team around McNally ridyard Paga wilkinson and slater. 
 

That isn't exactly a long-term strategy, is it?

[Blind side johnny]

On 24/06/2023 at 07:07, YoungYed said:

Time for littler to go!!! Get him sacked not good enough to win the big games I said last month the run in was to prove me wrong and he hasn’t done it. We beat hunslet at home that’s it. If we want to go up next season littler isn’t the man to take us forward and if anyone who thinks different I would like to know why he is the man. Surely the new owners want there own manager in and it’s best to get rid now instead of waiting.

The best coach that you could be hoping for at the moment. I never liked him as a player but he brings that element of ruthlessness to his coaching. If your new board support him next year you should do well.

So many RL fans expect instant success nowadays. 

[Blind side johnny]

On 24/06/2023 at 10:19, The Art of Hand and Foot said:

No you are not speaking facts! You are giving an opinion. The season isn't over yet. To be frank I'm not overly concerned because in five years time Doncaster and Dewsbury will still be bobbing about between tier two and three. I'm quite confident, now that we have a decent forward thinking board,  we'll be up there where we should be. Littler will only go if he loses the dressing room. My opinion, for what it's worth, is that he's a million miles from that.

Dream on old lad. RL in Oldham is not heading for the promised land. The likes of Dewsbury and Doncaster will still be around to crush your enthusiasm. 

[Blind side johnny]

On 24/06/2023 at 14:54, The Art of Hand and Foot said:

Here's some facts. The board control the overall strategy, the coach controls the tactics. I know, I know, there is a cross over between the two , but in principle that's how it works. The recent Dewsbury game we lost, effectively 3 tries to 2. Now according to reports we bombed 3 certain tries due to mishandling by individuals. Now you can argue that the coach was responsible for picking three butterfingers. But they may have sticky fingers during training. The fact, yes it's a fact, that players were opening up their defence, shows the tactics are working. My opinion is that the coach is doing his job well.  Another fact, we won the second half. No mean feat.

Of course Dewsbury played to their utmost potential. 

Oh!

[jroyales]

You spend more time on our forum than you do on your own. Is it that no one listens to, or understands you in the erosion coastline of Lancashire? 

[Crown Flatter]

1 hour ago, jroyales said:

You spend more time on our forum than you do on your own. Is it that no one listens to, or understands you in the erosion coastline of Lancashire? 

If you decided to look at other forums, you would find him on plenty and other contributors must “listen” to him as he gets lots of comments..

[The Art of Hand and Foot]

4 hours ago, Blind side johnny said:

Dream on old lad. RL in Oldham is not heading for the promised land. The likes of Dewsbury and Doncaster will still be around to crush your enthusiasm. 

Been dreaming on for the last 50 odd years. But for the first time since we were in superleague we seem to have a passion from the board that's been recently lacking. 

[Roughyed Rats]

For what it's worth, I like Littler. He comes across well and we've played some really good rugby this season. However, I do think he's been slow to change things up and found wanting tactically at times. Personally, I think that Slater has been excellent this year and he's given us way more variety from acting half than Wilkinson. Therefore, the decision to drop him entirely from the squad for Forber beggars belief. I also didn't understand dropping Hirst from the squad against Doncaster as he's been excellent as well. Littler is still a young coach and learning his trade. He's now got a vastly experienced mentor in Fordy and he'll do well to listen and learn. 

[jroyales]

Got to agree with RR about some of his team selection. Why change a settled team to accommodate loanees or supposed quality signings. Hartley deserves his spot in preference to R.............. ( can't think of his name). Since R came we have lost both games. Against Doncaster 4 tries came down his wing and against Dewsbury he drooped the ball with the line begging. I don't think Hartley would have made those mistakes.

Slater has been one of the standout players this season so he's dropped in preference to Forber, it doesn't make sense.

Has Blagborough gone - I wouldn't blame him.

A settled team is what's needed and the old heads should be controlling the game.

Workington next with North Wales the week after with our play off place decider against Hunslet the week after. I feel the way things are panning out we will finish fourth and then win promotion.

[Oldham123]

I think that you are all forgetting that coaches watch the games back several times and also have access to players statistics from every game. This plays a huge part in team selection and is something that us as fans and spectators have no clue about. The player at the top of statistics every single week, both for tackles and carries hasn’t even been mentioned in this thread once so case in point 

[Jimmy DoNut]

With regard to the dual reg agreement with Wigan, if the Warriors want a lad to play for Oldham at any given time, for whatever reason, then he will play. Hence Forber was always going to be in the 17 on Friday night, which meant either Wilkinson or Slater wasn't. One of the drawbacks of dual reg but the pros far outweigh the cons, as demonstrated by the likes of Astley, Sutton, Makin, Tyrer, Wilson & maybe others in Oldham colours this year.

[YoungYed]

On 24/06/2023 at 20:54, The Art of Hand and Foot said:

Here's some facts. The board control the overall strategy, the coach controls the tactics. I know, I know, there is a cross over between the two , but in principle that's how it works. The recent Dewsbury game we lost, effectively 3 tries to 2. Now according to reports we bombed 3 certain tries due to mishandling by individuals. Now you can argue that the coach was responsible for picking three butterfingers. But they may have sticky fingers during training. The fact, yes it's a fact, that players were opening up their defence, shows the tactics are working. My opinion is that the coach is doing his job well.  Another fact, we won the second half. No mean feat.

How many points do you get winning for a second half? If we don’t go up this season do you think he still would of done a good job?

[Happyed]

Littler is being linked with the Widnes job. You might just get your way YoungYed!