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2 hours ago, Dave T said:

Well Harry. Firstly, my post wasn't to be taken entirely seriously. 

And secondly, the search function allows me to see that a poster named Harry Stottle did in fact mention the £450k IMG bill on the Magic Weekend thread and the London Broncos 2024 thread. 😆

Well done that man, bet you were chuffed to have found that, I would have been👍

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On 29/11/2023 at 09:27, Damien said:

Maybe the RFL wants this arrangement for the immediate upfront money for something they were getting no/less value from?

I see this as selling the rights to something for 3 years, just the same as we do with SL title rights. If the RFL were not bringing in this amount, which they obviously weren't because they wouldn't sell them for less than they were getting, then it's a guaranteed result for the RFL. If IMG don't deliver then the RFL have got more upfront than they would otherwise with any share deal.  If IMG do increase the value then the rights are worth more in 3 years and again the RFL are in a better position.

If selling these right to someone who's supposedly employed to raise your profile and income doesn't raise a red flag nothing will.

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59 minutes ago, Les Tonks Sidestep said:

If selling these right to someone who's supposedly employed to raise your profile and income? doesn't raise a red flag nothing will.

So if these were sold to someone other than IMG it would be okay 

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2 hours ago, Les Tonks Sidestep said:

If selling these right to someone who's supposedly employed to raise your profile and income doesn't raise a red flag nothing will.

I still have no idea why red flags are being raised at this news.. IMO it gives IMG even more incentive to grow the profile and income of the sport, as if that grows then the betting rights grow as well.

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11 hours ago, binosh said:

Derek has final finally given his thoughts on Leigh’s scoring on the Leopards channel.

 

Only part way through but I like that Derek talks about it like a fan and he has the same issues that a lot of us on here are concerned about namely the catchment area and the facilities score. Interesting as well that he seems confident that Leigh's financial score was wrong and they will do better than the original rating. He has a lot of problems with what seems like stacked rankings in Bradford's favor.

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14 hours ago, Damien said:

So if these were sold to someone other than IMG it would be okay 

to be honest it does seem odd that a partner company given access to your financials/books is able to make such a deal, whether that be IMG or other.    If RFL haven't gone to tender or something similar to sell the rights then it would seem even more odd/questionable.

Irrespective of whether someone is a supporter of IMG or question IMG involvement in RL... surely it raises a flag that is worthy of questions.  Although RFL are not like a public company and hence can do what they more or less want but I'm guessing its a good deal for IMG otherwise they wouldn't be doing it.  I hope it's a good deal for the RFL rather than a desperate attempt at getting some monies in and IMG taking advantage.

 

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1 hour ago, The Blues Ox said:

Only part way through but I like that Derek talks about it like a fan and he has the same issues that a lot of us on here are concerned about namely the catchment area and the facilities score. Interesting as well that he seems confident that Leigh's financial score was wrong and they will do better than the original rating. He has a lot of problems with what seems like stacked rankings in Bradford's favour.

Talks plenty common sense again - passion runs through his veins for the sport and his club. Highlights the stupidity of the high gradings of TO and Bulls to the low grade to London and its potential repercussions. He has studied the mocks and knows what he can do to get the A when it matters.

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13 hours ago, binosh said:

Derek has final finally given his thoughts on Leigh’s scoring on the Leopards channel.

 

Good to hear comments from someone who is at the sharp end of the criteria other than those who think they know.

Whilst Mr B is still very much for IMG's inclusion he is critical of how some of the scoring is alloted and apportioned to the benefit of some whilst to the detriment of others.

He is also very confident that with another years figures and some easy manipulation on his part - which he explains in detail - that he can promote his clubs financial scoring from being very low to being amongst those achieved by the 'A' graders, in fact he goes on to say that his club by his reckoning - on the spreadsheet - will become the 8th one to be awarded an 'A' grade next year.

But there is much more to listen to, and for all his failings when under the 'affluence of incohol" with his outbursts when his heart controls his head - he is first and foremos a fan - when he talks sense he actually does talk sense.

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On 28/11/2023 at 20:45, Hopie said:

It doesn't look good, we employ a consultant to look over our business, and they buy part of the business. Surely IMG's role is to put us in contact with partners to make money from, and pass on their experience, not take profitable parts from us to make their own money.

When this deal runs out, the game will be in no better position to sell the gambling rights than it is now, because the experience of selling rights over the next few years is done by IMG. I'm sure its looked at as something is better than nothing. But its not a long term business strategy.

This just isn't true. This is a specialist service that won't be provided by RLCom - you get somebody to do it for you in exchange for money. 

I expect the intention was never to do this in-house, why would we? 

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1 hour ago, Harry Stottle said:

Good to hear comments from someone who is at the sharp end of the criteria other than those who think they know.

Whilst Mr B is still very much for IMG's inclusion he is critical of how some of the scoring is alloted and apportioned to the benefit of some whilst to the detriment of others.

He is also very confident that with another years figures and some easy manipulation on his part - which he explains in detail - that he can promote his clubs financial scoring from being very low to being amongst those achieved by the 'A' graders, in fact he goes on to say that his club by his reckoning - on the spreadsheet - will become the 8th one to be awarded an 'A' grade next year.

But there is much more to listen to, and for all his failings when under the 'affluence of incohol" with his outbursts when his heart controls his head - he is first and foremos a fan - when he talks sense he actually does talk sense.

The good thing about this is we will see where the BS lies in 11months. If Leigh are not an A grade using this 'easy' manipulation, will you then agree that you are putting weight in the wrong people's opinions?

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1 hour ago, redjonn said:

to be honest it does seem odd that a partner company given access to your financials/books is able to make such a deal, whether that be IMG or other.    If RFL haven't gone to tender or something similar to sell the rights then it would seem even more odd/questionable.

Irrespective of whether someone is a supporter of IMG or question IMG involvement in RL... surely it raises a flag that is worthy of questions.  Although RFL are not like a public company and hence can do what they more or less want but I'm guessing its a good deal for IMG otherwise they wouldn't be doing it.  I hope it's a good deal for the RFL rather than a desperate attempt at getting some monies in and IMG taking advantage.

 

I think one of the issues here is that these are private commercial deals. We don't have a right to know everything. Making vague points about tender processes and red flags, and £450k bills etc are risking sending people down rabbit holes somewhat. 

This is a brand new revenue stream, over a hundred grand a year, for three years. This feels like the new kind of things we should come to expect from a new partnership with a company who specialises in this kind of service. 

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25 minutes ago, Adelaide Tiger said:

………….. yet there has been 144 pages of comments from people who are not at the ‘sharp end’!

Mainly from Harry.

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31 minutes ago, Adelaide Tiger said:

………….. yet there has been 144 pages of comments from people who are not at the ‘sharp end’!

You're replying to one of them, for example.

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2 hours ago, redjonn said:

to be honest it does seem odd that a partner company given access to your financials/books is able to make such a deal, whether that be IMG or other.    If RFL haven't gone to tender or something similar to sell the rights then it would seem even more odd/questionable.

Irrespective of whether someone is a supporter of IMG or question IMG involvement in RL... surely it raises a flag that is worthy of questions.  Although RFL are not like a public company and hence can do what they more or less want but I'm guessing its a good deal for IMG otherwise they wouldn't be doing it.  I hope it's a good deal for the RFL rather than a desperate attempt at getting some monies in and IMG taking advantage.

 

This is a new revenue stream that the sport did not have before. Its not like IMG are getting this cheaper than before or some machiavellian plot.

I also think its very likely that IMG have said the sport is missing a trick here and now the sport is getting revenue they didn't have before and IMG are going to put in the donkey work over 3 years building up these rights. I very much doubt the sport had the finance and means to build these up themselves. It's a win win.

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2 hours ago, Dave T said:

The good thing about this is we will see where the BS lies in 11months. If Leigh are not an A grade using this 'easy' manipulation, will you then agree that you are putting weight in the wrong people's opinions?

Did I say it was my interpretation of the criteria and it's workings, did you know how the financials can be manipulated in such a way.

FWIW, if Leigh do get the A Grade in 12 months I will be very surprised, but my knowledge of the finite details do not stretch as far as someone at the pointy end, if yours do why in all these pages and your submittions have you never said that you were au fait with it all.

 

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1 hour ago, Griff said:

Mainly from Harry.

 

1 hour ago, gingerjon said:

You're replying to one of them, for example.

So who volunteers to do a count, I would say I am behind both you two + Tommygilf and Chrispmartha on this subject.

Also, why no comment on what Mr Beaumont says, you are never usually short of coming forward to criticise.

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26 minutes ago, Harry Stottle said:

 

So who volunteers to do a count, I would say I am behind both you two + Tommygilf and Chrispmartha on this subject.

Also, why no comment on what Mr Beaumont says, you are never usually short of coming forward to criticise.

 

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