redditchbulldog Posted December 8, 2023 Share Posted December 8, 2023 If they have sl release clause in contract which lots will , not a lot club can do and we won't only ones its happened to Stoopid Cup Winner 2012 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phildog Posted December 9, 2023 Share Posted December 9, 2023 Those clauses usually apply nearer season's end when a contract is nearly up. When a player has just been signed and the contract is stretching before him he is a player of that club and a fee should be due. That's nothing to do with standing in his way, it's financial sense considering our oft-trumpetted situation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nineoil Posted December 9, 2023 Share Posted December 9, 2023 11 hours ago, phildog said: Why are we not more successful instead of struggles becoming more serious annually? It is all down to money - we do not have any money because of our small crowds so we are easy to "pick off" . For years Batley has been a well run club on a shoestring but the reality is that a lot of clubs in our Division can outbid us because their gates are better or have a Sugar Daddy . Unless we can double our gates ( or find a sugar daddy ) then the problem is going to remain . The problem is exacerbated by the fact that Super League clubs can grab any of our decent players for free - the deck is stacked against non-SL clubs for sure !! The reality is that the more we struggle to sign and keep decent players the more likely it is that gates will decrease further which in turn reduces income which in turn means we have less money to sign players !!! It's a vicious circle and very worrying . The best we can hope for is that we continue to punch above our financial weight 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LINNERS Posted December 9, 2023 Share Posted December 9, 2023 54 minutes ago, nineoil said: For years Batley has been a well run club on a shoestring The best we can hope for is that we continue to punch above our financial weight Aye we've been doing the same thing 'for years' and it has worked out pretty well upto now, so let's have a little faith. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
toffeedog Posted December 9, 2023 Share Posted December 9, 2023 What's point in contracts if you can leave before season even starts or during the season absolute joke. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phildog Posted December 9, 2023 Share Posted December 9, 2023 AND Redditch....we clearly are the only ones it happens to....who else in recent memory? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DOGFATHER Posted December 9, 2023 Share Posted December 9, 2023 (edited) 1 hour ago, phildog said: AND Redditch....we clearly are the only ones it happens to....who else in recent memory? Luke Gale last season. There was something funny with the Tee Ritson signing at Saints, he was on loan from Barrow initially, but then signed permanently at Saints. I've a feeling Leeds did it with Briscoe at Featherstone a couple of seasons back too. Tyler Dupree went from Widnes to Salford is another, without really thinking about it... Edited December 9, 2023 by DOGFATHER 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Piggy's mate Posted December 9, 2023 Share Posted December 9, 2023 52 minutes ago, toffeedog said: What's point in contracts if you can leave before season even starts or during the season absolute joke. Yeah, I think he should be forced to play for Batley rather than join a full-time SL club... 1 2 Touch Rugby W(h)inger and part-time Super Hero (Thursday mornings by appointment) BATLEY BULLDOGS RLFC Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
georgeb1 Posted December 9, 2023 Share Posted December 9, 2023 5 hours ago, toffeedog said: What's point in contracts if you can leave before season even starts or during the season absolute joke. same with any job Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Batley Bob Posted December 10, 2023 Share Posted December 10, 2023 18 hours ago, phildog said: AND Redditch....we clearly are the only ones it happens to....who else in recent memory? Most recent ,Fev , Chris hankinson to salford Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keep The Faith Posted December 10, 2023 Share Posted December 10, 2023 1 hour ago, Batley Bob said: Most recent ,Fev , Chris hankinson to salford He wasn’t signed for 2024 http://tombatley.wordpress.com/ Give it a read.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rene_Artois Posted December 10, 2023 Share Posted December 10, 2023 Think Pauli Pauli had not long since signed a new contract with York before signing for Doncaster Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnny Ringo Posted December 16, 2023 Share Posted December 16, 2023 (edited) On 09/12/2023 at 16:10, DOGFATHER said: Luke Gale last season. There was something funny with the Tee Ritson signing at Saints, he was on loan from Barrow initially, but then signed permanently at Saints. I've a feeling Leeds did it with Briscoe at Featherstone a couple of seasons back too. Tyler Dupree went from Widnes to Salford is another, without really thinking about it... What was funny about it? St Helens wanted him on loan trial from Barrow for a season, he was under contract but had a SL buy out clause, St Helens bought out the remainder of his contract. All above board. Edited December 16, 2023 by Johnny Ringo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bromleybulldog Posted December 16, 2023 Share Posted December 16, 2023 11 hours ago, Johnny Ringo said: What was funny about it? St Helens wanted him on loan trial from Barrow for a season, he was under contract but had a SL buy out clause, St Helens bought out the remainder of his contract. All above board. Exactly. StHelens bought out the remainder of his contract. We apparently have contracts with Super League release clauses in them that allow the player to leave without any compensation to the club at all. Batley 0 Agents 1. I fully support contracts which allow players to leave for a SL team, but if the player is under contract then compensation must be included in the contract. No wonder Kevin is rethinking how we contract players in future. We have been either naive or inept. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keep The Faith Posted December 16, 2023 Share Posted December 16, 2023 The bosman rule killed off rugby league Batley in 1992 paid 8 grand for Jimmy Irvine to join us from Halifax - Bernard manning helped the club raise the funds 1 http://tombatley.wordpress.com/ Give it a read.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
toffeedog Posted December 16, 2023 Share Posted December 16, 2023 Well we will know if he a decent player or not if he breaks into there first team or not . Surely we had a clause saying if loaned out we get first refusal just like the 2 that went to castleford Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keep The Faith Posted December 16, 2023 Share Posted December 16, 2023 4 hours ago, toffeedog said: Well we will know if he a decent player or not if he breaks into there first team or not . Surely we had a clause saying if loaned out we get first refusal just like the 2 that went to castleford No chance he’ll be on loan anywhere and who says we are getting them 2 back? http://tombatley.wordpress.com/ Give it a read.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bromleybulldog Posted February 23 Share Posted February 23 Featherstone have just issued a club statement regarding the transfer of Ben Reynolds to HKR and have confirmed that a significant fee has been agreed. We really dropped the ball re Josh Rourke. We should also have received a 'significant transfer fee' . The two transfer scenarios are virtually identical but we clearly didn't have the right clauses in our contract. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Batley Bob Posted February 23 Share Posted February 23 (edited) Kevin could have put out a statement like that , but is it true If its a fee , why the secrecy Edited February 23 by Batley Bob Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bromleybulldog Posted February 23 Share Posted February 23 10 minutes ago, Batley Bob said: Kevin could have put out a statement like that , but is it true If its a fee , why the secrecy I think Kevin already answered, stating that our contracts didn't cover this. We just had a clause stating that if SL club came along, we would release him . Featherstone clearly much sharper and smarter than us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill H Posted February 23 Share Posted February 23 38 minutes ago, bromleybulldog said: I think Kevin already answered, stating that our contracts didn't cover this. We just had a clause stating that if SL club came along, we would release him . Featherstone clearly much sharper and smarter than us. That might be a tad unfair Bromley. If agents/players are looking for a SL get out clause in the deal then it may have been the only way for us to have competed for some players. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Piggy's mate Posted February 23 Share Posted February 23 Waste of brass imo Touch Rugby W(h)inger and part-time Super Hero (Thursday mornings by appointment) BATLEY BULLDOGS RLFC Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bromleybulldog Posted February 23 Share Posted February 23 1 hour ago, Bill H said: That might be a tad unfair Bromley. If agents/players are looking for a SL get out clause in the deal then it may have been the only way for us to have competed for some players. Don't disagree with the SL get out clause, but having signed the player, if he then signs for someone else we should have been due a transfer fee. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill H Posted February 24 Share Posted February 24 (edited) I don't think any of the supporters are happy with the situation Bromley but any club that bucks the trend may struggle to attract ambitious and talented young players. Players agents no doubt like and benefit from the system. It's very disappointing when players are signed or re signed and disappear from the club even before a game is played but I suppose that it would take a 'gentlemans' agreement between the Championship clubs to stop the practice. It would be nice to see some financial compensation mandated from above but I can't see it happening. Edited February 24 by Bill H Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Phantom Horseman Posted February 24 Share Posted February 24 20 hours ago, bromleybulldog said: Featherstone have just issued a club statement regarding the transfer of Ben Reynolds to HKR and have confirmed that a significant fee has been agreed. We really dropped the ball re Josh Rourke. We should also have received a 'significant transfer fee' . The two transfer scenarios are virtually identical but we clearly didn't have the right clauses in our contract. You can't say that you know the two scenarios are virtually identical unless you know what the contracts were. I don't think it's going out on a limb to suggest that Reynolds' salary at Fev would have been a fair chunk more than Rourke's, and it's surely a lot easier to insist on a contract that doesn't have a SL getout clasue if you're paying a player enough, say, to mean that he doesn't need to work outside RL. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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