Why Toulouse Olympique are confident of reaching Super League under IMG grading

[Snowys Backside]

37 minutes ago, ELBOWSEYE said:

What are the benefits of Toulouse being in SL ?.

If they don't get the chance to establish like Catalan were given the answer is nothing.

If given the chance it help increase the French opportunities for young players coming through were Catalan are a limited option.

It will if given time give us another (derby) and hopefully create more highlights, 

Some people say Catalan give nothing to SL, well these same people will not even look at Toulouse with anything but negatively.

I don't want Toulouse to replace existing SL clubs but as part of 14/16 team competition, that ultimately is the direction the sport needs to go rather than shrinking to create short term increases of standards when the direction is in the wrong way.

Mail on the Head really. 
 

Keep the existing 12 and likely promote Wakey and Toulouse. 
 

Are other clubs happy to reduce the cake ? We definitely know Leigh are and who will be the final judge for the sake of maybe 0.1 point on who goes up and who doesn’t ?

 

Gonna be fun  

 

 

[JohnM]

1 hour ago, phiggins said:

In your own little echo chamber there?

[Wakefield Ram]

1 hour ago, Gooleboy said:

I have asked many times on here, what is this magical thing clubs will bring that some clubs won't? I still await a detailed answer. I watched Catalans at Cas a couple of weeks ago with a few friends and none of us know what this thing is they are bringing. Even their team this season is no more than average.

What do Huddersfield bring? Or Castleford? Or Hull or ....

[Archie Gordon]

I love Toulouse, really wish TO were a big club as I'd love them in SL but they currently have a tiny fanbase. That needs fixing and there's no sign of it happening sadly.

I love London, really wish the Broncos were a big club, etc.

Saying that TO (or London) just need the same opportunity as given to the Dragons assumes they will take that chance in the same way that the Dragons have. I'm not convinced. I'd love to be.

[Harry Stottle]

5 hours ago, Gooleboy said:

I have asked many times on here, what is this magical thing clubs will bring that some clubs won't? I still await a detailed answer. I watched Catalans at Cas a couple of weeks ago with a few friends and none of us know what this thing is they are bringing. Even their team this season is no more than average.

This is the thing with the pro get Toulouse in SL brigade, they consider that this system is their opportunity no matter how badly they play on field to keep them in SL, not unlike Catalan who were exempt from relegation for a period to grow, give any clubwith ambition that same opportunity and they should take advantage of it.

Top of my head I propose Widnes over Toulouse with latent fans to come back and new fans to entice, not just one but numerous close clubs for derby fixtures, industrial area with people to invest, will take fans to away fixtures, no hurdles to clear to be as good as they once were, yes I am on about Potential what more do Toulouse offer?

 

[Harry Stottle]

3 hours ago, Wakefield Ram said:

What do Huddersfield bring? Or Castleford? Or Hull or ....

Or Wakefield? That is no disrespect to Wakefield just a comparison.

Edited August 9 by Harry Stottle

[The Daddy]

57 minutes ago, Harry Stottle said:

This is the thing with the pro get Toulouse in SL brigade, they consider that this system is their opportunity no matter how badly they play on field to keep them in SL, not unlike Catalan who were exempt from relegation for a period to grow, give any clubwith ambition that same opportunity and they should take advantage of it.

Top of my head I propose Widnes over Toulouse with latent fans to come back and new fans to entice, not just one but numerous close clubs for derby fixtures, industrial area with people to invest, will take fans to away fixtures, no hurdles to clear to be as good as they once were, yes I am on about Potential what more do Toulouse offer?

 

This and all the other posts you made on this thread are total ignorance. You and your ilk are the reason why the value of the TV deal keeps going down. 

The NRL are expanding to Perth, Christchurch and Melbourne and these are the kind of debates we're still having in England. It's laughable. 

[Harry Stottle]

1 hour ago, The Daddy said:

This and all the other posts you made on this thread are total ignorance. You and your ilk are the reason why the value of the TV deal keeps going down. 

The NRL are expanding to Perth, Christchurch and Melbourne and these are the kind of debates we're still having in England. It's laughable. 

Me and my ilk are realist talking from experience, you and your lot are dreamers nothing tangible to grasp onto only hope.

Comparing the SL to the NRL is just pie in the sky stuff.

PS the definition of ignorance is not knowing, what is it you know that can convince me otherwise that Toulouse will be good for the SL.

I don't expect any answer, you have never come up with one yet when challenged a number of times previously.

Edited August 9 by Harry Stottle

[JM2010]

Would Toulouse and Wakefield for London and Castleford be an improvement? They definitely wouldn’t be worse both on and off the pitch

[Harry Stottle]

9 minutes ago, JM2010 said:

Would Toulouse and Wakefield for London and Castleford be an improvement? They definitely wouldn’t be worse both on and off the pitch

I wouldn't bet on that, what are they doing in respect of players for next season if they do get into SL, from experience we all know waiting till the season finishes before getting a squad together for SL is disastrous, there is no one left to sign, Leigh and now Wakefield have changed that, presumably Toulouse will ride it out getting thrashed each week offering no opposition because they can't be relegated if under this system they get to SL, good int'it.

[The Daddy]

2 hours ago, Harry Stottle said:

I wouldn't bet on that, what are they doing in respect of players for next season if they do get into SL, from experience we all know waiting till the season finishes before getting a squad together for SL is disastrous, there is no one left to sign, Leigh and now Wakefield have changed that, presumably Toulouse will ride it out getting thrashed each week offering no opposition because they can't be relegated if under this system they get to SL, good int'it.

OK Derek  

[JM2010]

9 hours ago, Harry Stottle said:

I wouldn't bet on that, what are they doing in respect of players for next season if they do get into SL, from experience we all know waiting till the season finishes before getting a squad together for SL is disastrous, there is no one left to sign, Leigh and now Wakefield have changed that, presumably Toulouse will ride it out getting thrashed each week offering no opposition because they can't be relegated if under this system they get to SL, good int'it.

I think overall they probably will. Wakefield should be stronger than Castleford and have better facilities and will match their crowds and look like they could keep improving in all aspects the over next few years. Toulouse should be more competitive than London and get better crowds(although they might not be great) and I believe have potential to grow as a club with a sustained run in SL.

Im not saying I want rid of London and Castleford but it might be how it goes

Edited August 10 by JM2010

[Harry Stottle]

8 hours ago, The Daddy said:

OK Derek  

It's taken long enough for me to get rumbled

[Wellsy4HullFC]

Can't see them swapping 2. If Cas had a season like Hull's, then a reckon they'd have been tempted.

I just can't see the big decision of relegating a club not bottom happening unless they're second to bottom and more than one club goes.

[ATLANTISMAN]

Everything stays the same Wakey Toulouse in.

[JM2010]

31 minutes ago, ATLANTISMAN said:

Everything stays the same Wakey Toulouse in.

Who do they replace?

[Wakefield Ram]

16 hours ago, Harry Stottle said:

Or Wakefield? That is no disrespect to Wakefield just a comparison.

Exactly and I support Dewsbury 

[Harry Stottle]

3 hours ago, ATLANTISMAN said:

Everything stays the same Wakey Toulouse in.

Is that to replace two of the incumbents or increase to 14 teams, including London?

Now I know you frequent areas of influence Paul, so is this something that you have heard or is it a personal feeling?

Edited August 10 by Harry Stottle

[ATLANTISMAN]

12 minutes ago, Harry Stottle said:

Is that to replace two of the incumbents or increase to 14 teams, including London?

Now I know you frequent areas of influence Paul, so is this something that you have heard or is it a personal feeling?

Personal feeling 100%

My opinion relayed 100%

14:)

In addition its very important to keep the doors open especially to the likes of Widnes Oldham Cumbrian club 

On a sponsorship front with beting finishing it's very important to have London in as that's where the decisions are mainly made.

 

P

 

Edited August 10 by ATLANTISMAN

[Harry Stottle]

3 hours ago, ATLANTISMAN said:

Personal feeling 100%

My opinion relayed 100%

14:)

In addition its very important to keep the doors open especially to the likes of Widnes Oldham Cumbrian club 

On a sponsorship front with beting finishing it's very important to have London in as that's where the decisions are mainly made.

 

P

 

Two things re a 14 team SL Paul.

A) With the present share some £800K per season down to circa £1.3M from £2.1M in a few short years financially can't see it getting of the ground with 14 teams instead of 12 sharing the pot and especially that it is unknown what the next TV contract will yield, the progression is downward and I can't see that changing, and I wouldn't see the SL clubs gambling that it would increase.

B) We don't have enough players of the required competitive quality to furnish 14 teams, the overseas numbers are capped at 7 per club, I consider that a SL club needs for arguments sake 35 players in the squad, so that leaves 28 home grown x 14 clubs that is nigh on 400, even allowing for the French clubs contingent we simply don't have that number to call on. You could say increase the number of overseas, but take into account my first paragraph which would govern that on the finance side plus the Salary Cap conditions coming into play.

It would be great to get rid of these stupid 'loopy' fixtures, but I think they will be here with us for the foreseeable future.

All my opinion of course.

Edited August 10 by Harry Stottle

[ATLANTISMAN]

Completely see this Harry.

Again my opinion we are nothing more than a filler now for SKY 20 million was a result, next one who knows 4/5 cannot see it being more than that.

Future is controlling one's own streaming channel with 1 FTA a week to drive subscriptions.

 

P

[HawkMan]

14 minutes ago, Harry Stottle said:

It would be great to get rid of these stupid 'loopy' fixtures, but I think they will be here with us for the foreseeable future.

 

To borrow an idea from Scottish Premiership football, 12 teams, after 22 games ,split the league in two. Top 6 have 5 more games against each other, top 3 , three home two away games,4th to 6th the opposite. Cut and thrust as top 4 after 27 games into play offs, semis and GF.

Bottom 6 the same, 5 more games against each other to determine final positions. 

[Tommygilf]

1 hour ago, HawkMan said:

To borrow an idea from Scottish Premiership football, 12 teams, after 22 games ,split the league in two. Top 6 have 5 more games against each other, top 3 , three home two away games,4th to 6th the opposite. Cut and thrust as top 4 after 27 games into play offs, semis and GF.

Bottom 6 the same, 5 more games against each other to determine final positions. 

Didn't we do that already?

[Harry Stottle]

1 hour ago, HawkMan said:

Bottom 6 the same, 5 more games against each other to determine final positions

Please advise Hawker I don't honestly know,  does this division operate a Relegation system if so fine I can see why they do it, but will it really matter going forward in Super League where the clubs final positions are not really of any relevance, I honestly could not see it generating much interest from the fans to attend those fixtures.

[HawkMan]

52 minutes ago, Harry Stottle said:

Please advise Hawker I don't honestly know,  does this division operate a Relegation system if so fine I can see why they do it, but will it really matter going forward in Super League where the clubs final positions are not really of any relevance, I honestly could not see it generating much interest from the fans to attend those fixtures.

Yes it does, bottom relegated automatically and 2nd last in play off with play off winner from league below. League winner from league below ( Championship) up automatically. Perfect system, better than IMGs nonsense. One reason of soccer popularity, is P+R ,fan engagement an emotional stake in their clubs as the lower ones aspire to better themselves and move up the leagues. Take that away and stagnation will surely follow.

Edited August 10 by HawkMan