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Sat 7th Sept: SL: Warrington Wolves v St Helens KO 15:00 (Sky)

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  1. 1. Who will win?

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Dunbar

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1 minute ago, JohnM said:

I thought I heard the ref mention the independent doctor intervening. 

For Philbin?  if that the case the physio's need looking at, no way they should have even considered letting him play on.

"The history of the world is the history of the triumph of the heartless over the mindless." — Sir Humphrey Appleby.

"If someone doesn't value evidence, what evidence are you going to provide to prove that they should value it? If someone doesn't value logic, what logical argument could you provide to show the importance of logic?" — Sam Harris


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dkw
dkw

Or as it's commonly known as "a coach"....

northamptoncougar
northamptoncougar

Because it’s more fun keeping him on the pitch 

Dave T
Dave T

It's still built in me to be nervous at this stage of a game v Saints.

Dave T

Dave T

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7 minutes ago, Odsal Outlaw said:

Wilkin just gone to town on the current sin bin issues on sky. Agreed with everything he said. The current approach does nothing to fix the concussion issues but just creates an appealing look for the game. 

Ignoring the VR intervention point which has been done to death, I think they are both fine as yellows. The high tackle was a shoulder to the face and Lees' was a cynical late hit. Neither the worst tackle, but punished all year with a card.

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JohnM

JohnM

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2 minutes ago, Dunbar said:

For Philbin?  if that the case the physio's need looking at, no way they should have even considered letting him play on.

Not 100% sure, but that's what I thought he'd said .

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Dave T

Dave T

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2 minutes ago, Dunbar said:

For Philbin?  if that the case the physio's need looking at, no way they should have even considered letting him play on.

What triggers a HIA? He didn't lose consciousness , had medical treatment and he's back on playing now.

Is every bump to the head a HIA? The answer is no, but is there any published protocol?

Dave T

Dave T

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1 minute ago, JohnM said:

Not 100% sure, but that's what I thought he'd said .

I didn't hear that tbh, the ref did give the Wire team the choice. I thought he over-explained it and pretty much led them to it.

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bobbruce

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Just now, Dave T said:

What triggers a HIA? He didn't lose consciousness , had medical treatment and he's back on playing now.

Is every bump to the head a HIA? The answer is no, but is there any published protocol?

I think the independent Dr can step in quite a bit he’s looking for signs of players passing out or unsteadiness on their feet. As far as I know any of these make the HIA unnecessary as they are an automatic fail. 

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Click

Click

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Ball handling and discipline has been terrible this game.

What a blatant penalty to give away.

The offsides haven't even been close either, seem to be offside by at least 4m every time he's given that penalty.

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Dave T

Dave T

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1 minute ago, Click said:

Ball handling and discipline has been terrible this game.

What a blatant penalty to give away.

The offsides haven't even been close either, seem to be offside by at least 4m every time he's given that penalty.

Didn't I hear just before half time that both teams completion was 80%+?

I think the Opta guy must have dozed off!!!

Dunbar

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5 minutes ago, Dave T said:

What triggers a HIA? He didn't lose consciousness , had medical treatment and he's back on playing now.

Is every bump to the head a HIA? The answer is no, but is there any published protocol?

Those 'friendly fire' incidents where two defenders clash heads attempting a tackle very often result in a HIA.  I think the nature of incident itself warranted a HIA.

We are not limiting HIA to just incidents where a player loses consciousness are we?

"The history of the world is the history of the triumph of the heartless over the mindless." — Sir Humphrey Appleby.

"If someone doesn't value evidence, what evidence are you going to provide to prove that they should value it? If someone doesn't value logic, what logical argument could you provide to show the importance of logic?" — Sam Harris

Dave T

Dave T

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Just now, Dunbar said:

Those 'friendly fire' incidents where two defenders clash heads attempting a tackle very often result in a HIA.  I think the nature of incident itself warranted a HIA.

We are not limiting HIA to just incidents where a player loses consciousness are we?

No, but we also don't see every head clash lead to a HIA, so I was wondering what signs meant this absolutely should have been one? 

I'll be honest, I'm surprised it wasn't. But my understanding is the on field assessment was completed.

bobbruce

bobbruce

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Just now, Dunbar said:

Those 'friendly fire' incidents where two defenders clash heads attempting a tackle very often result in a HIA.  I think the nature of incident itself warranted a HIA.

We are not limiting HIA to just incidents where a player loses consciousness are we?

The test will be if the player is aware where he is and what he’s doing. Basically what day it is. Any sign that he isn’t quite right will result in a HIA. If we are looking to do one for any head contact we are going to need 10 or 12 people on the bench. 

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Dave T

Dave T

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Just now, bobbruce said:

The test will be if the player is aware where he is and what he’s doing. Basically what day it is. Any sign that he isn’t quite right will result in a HIA. If we are looking to do one for any head contact we are going to need 10 or 12 people on the bench. 

I think this is what I was wondering. He was assessed and was deemed OK. I was wondering what sign meant a fan watching on TV was able to decide the medic was wrong.

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StandOffHalf

StandOffHalf

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That Knowles forearm on a falling Tai was much more forceful than the minor contact from Fitzgibbon.

If the first one is a yellow, Knowles should also be off for ten.

Dunbar

Dunbar

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1 minute ago, bobbruce said:

The test will be if the player is aware where he is and what he’s doing. Basically what day it is. Any sign that he isn’t quite right will result in a HIA. If we are looking to do one for any head contact we are going to need 10 or 12 people on the bench. 

I'm just not sure about this.  The player has just had a major clash of heads, he was clearly dazed and he had a decent sized bump on his temple.  If we care about player welfare that is a HIA every day of the week.

"The history of the world is the history of the triumph of the heartless over the mindless." — Sir Humphrey Appleby.

"If someone doesn't value evidence, what evidence are you going to provide to prove that they should value it? If someone doesn't value logic, what logical argument could you provide to show the importance of logic?" — Sam Harris

Dave T

Dave T

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Just now, StandOffHalf said:

That Knowles forearm on a falling Tai was much more forceful than the minor contact from Fitzgibbon.

If the first one is a yellow, Knowles should also be off for ten.

I must admit I didn't find that one horrendous. As much as I enjoy seeing Knowles sat down.

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graveyard johnny

graveyard johnny

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1 minute ago, GeordieSaint said:

Get Blake off the field now. Absolutely pathetic.

they would be better off with Blakey than Blake - oh gawd - I  ayte you Butler

I know Bono and he knows Ono and she knows Enos phone goes thus 

StandOffHalf

StandOffHalf

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2 minutes ago, Dave T said:

I must admit I didn't find that one horrendous. As much as I enjoy seeing Knowles sat down.

Yeah, just a penalty IMO.

It was more forceful than the yellow card though.

StandOffHalf

StandOffHalf

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3 minutes ago, Dunbar said:

I'm just not sure about this.  The player has just had a major clash of heads, he was clearly dazed and he had a decent sized bump on his temple.  If we care about player welfare that is a HIA every day of the week.

I don't think a bump over the eye that causes watery eyes and a bump should automatically be an HIA. With the head going near his eye, he may have just needed a minute or two to blink and shake it off.

Click

Click

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11 minutes ago, Dave T said:

Didn't I hear just before half time that both teams completion was 80%+?

I think the Opta guy must have dozed off!!!

It's that's true . They must have had lots of sets each!

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