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Sat 7th Sept: SL: Warrington Wolves v St Helens KO 15:00 (Sky)

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  1. 1. Who will win?

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bobbruce

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1 minute ago, Dunbar said:

I'm just not sure about this.  The player has just had a major clash of heads, he was clearly dazed and he had a decent sized bump on his temple.  If we care about player welfare that is a HIA every day of the week.

You may well be right but surely we have to trust the medical staff are trained and competent. We really can’t tell watching I could smash my nose like Andy Farrell and still not need a HIA or a huge cut over my eye and still not need one. Or as in this case a lump on the head but what we do know is that player will be monitored now for any signs of concussion kicking in. 

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dkw
dkw

Or as it's commonly known as "a coach"....

northamptoncougar
northamptoncougar

Because it’s more fun keeping him on the pitch 

Dave T
Dave T

It's still built in me to be nervous at this stage of a game v Saints.

Dunbar

Dunbar

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1 minute ago, StandOffHalf said:

I don't think a bump over the eye that causes watery eyes and a bump should automatically be an HIA. With the head going near his eye, he may have just needed a minute or two to blink and shake it off.

I thought we were in an era of understanding the dangers of head injuries.  After a major clash of heads, you don't just blink it off, you check for concussions symptoms with a HIA.

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Dave T

Dave T

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Taylor-Wray is exciting to watch isn't he? Some of his movement is a little Iestyn Harris-esque imo.

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JohnM

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My wife reckoned that Walmsley was thinking to himself "oh sod it, I've had enough today" 

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bobbruce

bobbruce

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Just now, GeordieSaint said:

I can’t remember a single incidence of us threating the Warrington line. 

Nice try. It’s worth a go. 

Dunbar

Dunbar

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1 minute ago, bobbruce said:

You may well be right but surely we have to trust the medical staff are trained and competent. We really can’t tell watching I could smash my nose like Andy Farrell and still not need a HIA or a huge cut over my eye and still not need one. Or as in this case a lump on the head but what we do know is that player will be monitored now for any signs of concussion kicking in. 

Why do we need an independent doctor if we trust the club staff?

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Click

Click

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I feel like that should probably be a professional foul.. 

Are professional fouls only for try scoring opportunities? He maliciously did that, not knowing Welsbys position.

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Futtocks

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2 minutes ago, StandOffHalf said:

Walmsley and Blake having some pretty cringey moments in the last few minutes.

Blake raises the bar.

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Dave T

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1 minute ago, Dunbar said:

Why do we need an independent doctor if we trust the club staff?

The independent doctor didn't raise an issue either.

Old Frightful

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Why, as a professional foul, wasn't Blake sent to the bin then?

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Dave T

Dave T

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1 minute ago, Old Frightful said:

Why, as a professional foul, wasn't Blake sent to the bin then?

If we are binning Saints players for off the ball hits, they'd be down to 9.

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Dunbar

Dunbar

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Just now, Dave T said:

The independent doctor didn't raise an issue either.

That wasn't the point I was making.  I was replying to the statement that 'surely we have to trust the medical staff are trained and competent' with the question of why then do we need an independent doctor.

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StandOffHalf

StandOffHalf

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3 minutes ago, Dunbar said:

I thought we were in an era of understanding the dangers of head injuries.  After a major clash of heads, you don't just blink it off, you check for concussions symptoms with a HIA.

Which the physio was doing. I don't think one should assume that all such bumps require an HIA.

 

Dave T

Dave T

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Just now, Dunbar said:

That wasn't the point I was making.  I was replying to the statement that 'surely we have to trust the medical staff are trained and competent' with the question of why then do we need an independent doctor.

Yeah, understood. I suppose my point is that the independent doctor is part of the 'medical staff'.

Dunbar

Dunbar

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1 minute ago, StandOffHalf said:

Which the physio was doing. I don't think one should assume that all such bumps require an HIA.

 

Oh well, it seems like most people on here would have been happy to Philbin play on.

I am glad he went for a HIA.

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bobbruce

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3 minutes ago, Dunbar said:

Why do we need an independent doctor if we trust the club staff?

They can sit and rewind view different angles to see if it’s crossed any lines that either he should be removed for a hia or just removed full stop. Physios are continuing there work and I’m guessing don’t have the time to go into that much detail. 

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Padge

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11 minutes ago, Dave T said:

I think this is what I was wondering. He was assessed and was deemed OK. I was wondering what sign meant a fan watching on TV was able to decide the medic was wrong.

The physios/doctors have a set of on pitch protocols they follow, I believe these vary slightly for each player. At the start of each season every player does a cognitive baseline assessment, through the season this is used as a benchmark when assessing if a player is concussed or recovered from concussion. Though the BLA is used mainly for returning from a diagnosed concussion it is, I believe, used as part of the on-field assessment.

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StandOffHalf

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5 minutes ago, Click said:

I feel like that should probably be a professional foul.. 

Are professional fouls only for try scoring opportunities? He maliciously did that, not knowing Welsbys position.

Yeah, could easily have been yellow.

Click

Click

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Seeing Tai jump out of the line every time the ball goes near him ... Just makes me think it can't be that hard for a decent attacking team to take advantage of it.

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