England v Australia 2025 - coming to the UK!

[Dave T]

8 hours ago, Big Picture said:

That's an understandable mistake at that time though, Australia always played England in RL internationals until Great Britain's debut in 1946.

 

Yes they have.  If memory serves Bob Fulton mistakenly called England "Great Britain" in an interview after the 1995 World Cup Final.

I wasn't pointing out a mistake. I was highlighting that we have used England as the name in the past for the Ashes.

[Matthias Wald]

On 27/10/2024 at 23:16, Chris22 said:

Please be right! First test at St James' Park, second test at Tottenham, third at Elland Road. If Australia are here next year, this is the time to go big!

who is the shocking candidate for hosting 2030?

 

[Father Gascoigne]

15 minutes ago, gingerjon said:

Which is irrelevant to this discussion.

Good to have you back, by the way.

I'm surprised you can remember accounts from two years ago. Mr Wind Up was the former account. I hope you weren't confusing me for someone else. 

Edited October 29, 2024 by Father Gascoigne

[gingerjon]

2 minutes ago, Father Gascoigne said:

I'm surprised you can remember accounts from two years ago. Mr Wind Up was the former account. I hope you weren't confusing me for someone else. 

I don't remember names particularly well but I do note how returnees have a certain, blindingly obvious, approach.

[Sports Prophet]

34 minutes ago, Father Gascoigne said:

How do you define flair?

I'd argue a team with Munster, Cherry-Evans, Tedesco, Edwards, Trbojevic, Holmes etc offers the potential for a lot of flair. 

Is there a more exciting player to watch in either code than Munster? Not for me. 

Just on recent performances, I don’t recall recently thinking, wow, now there’s a team that are just too damn awesome. On paper, sure. I reality, not so much.

[Father Gascoigne]

2 minutes ago, Sports Prophet said:

Just on recent performances, I don’t recall recently thinking, wow, now there’s a team that are just too damn awesome. On paper, sure. I reality, not so much.

Sure, yeah, potential and reality can differ. On paper, though, providing one has knowledge of the NRL--which probably rules out the RU-types you were referring to--it's a who's who of incredible talent. 

It's also probably a byproduct of lack of cohesion from minimal time together. And also that element of cramming so much talent in the same team that it hinders or stifles ball usage and creativity. 

Then again, the Kangaroos play winning football. They don't really have any obligation to entertain. Similar to how many union fans seem to find the All Blacks uninspiring. 

[EagleEyePie]

13 hours ago, GeordieSaint said:

1st Test - London (Spurs). 1600hrs KO.

2nd Test - Leeds (Elland Rd). 1800hrs KO.

3rd Test - Manchester/Liverpool (Eithad/Everton). 1800hrs KO

I would normally go Elland Rd 3rd Test sick to death of us getting stuffed there in a decider. So flip it around. 

I may have got this wrong but I'm sure the 2nd tests are usually the ones held in London. Presumably because there's always something riding on the outcome.

We need to be playing in modern or premier grounds so Elland Road shouldn't be an option.

1st Test - St James' Park

2nd Test - Tottenham

3rd Test - Etihad (not sure what the transport is like for Everton's new stadium)

[JonM]

8 hours ago, George Watt said:

Trust your son has a quick recovery.

Thank you. He carried on running and cycling for a week after he broke it, and only went to A&E because his boss at work (a former GP) told him to, so I reckon he'll be alright  Doctor said no lifting though.

[JonM]

41 minutes ago, Matthias Wald said:

who is the shocking candidate for hosting 2030?

South Africa

[sam4731]

1 minute ago, JonM said:

South Africa

Candidate is the crucial word there. It will be NZ.

[Matthias Wald]

2 minutes ago, JonM said:

South Africa

wow

so no NZ, so they can ###### 27 to uns and we make a return visit 2029

[Matthias Wald]

Just now, sam4731 said:

Candidate is the crucial word there. It will be NZ.

of course, but let us dream

[JonM]

3 minutes ago, Matthias Wald said:

wow

so no NZ, so they can ###### 27 to uns and we make a return visit 2029

No. They are currently accepting bids from possible hosts, one of the conditions to go to the next stage was that you could show national government backing for the bid. SA are just one of the interested parties at this point.

[sweaty craiq]

8 minutes ago, EagleEyePie said:

I may have got this wrong but I'm sure the 2nd tests are usually the ones held in London. Presumably because there's always something riding on the outcome.

We need to be playing in modern or premier grounds so Elland Road shouldn't be an option.

1st Test - St James' Park

2nd Test - Tottenham

3rd Test - Etihad (not sure what the transport is like for Everton's new stadium)

Aye your wrong. Best attended series for a while was 1990? Wembley OT then Elland rd - 135k or so paid to watch (45k average attendance) without discounts and ER had a 32500 limit at the time and OT 48k both were sell outs and you could have sold double for the decider.

[sweaty craiq]

1 minute ago, JonM said:

No. They are currently accepting bids from possible hosts, one of the conditions to go to the next stage was that you could show national government backing for the bid. SA are just one of the interested parties at this point.

Its going to be in the states, they  will have bought the NH game by then and have bombarded US tv

[Father Gascoigne]

14 minutes ago, JonM said:

No. They are currently accepting bids from possible hosts, one of the conditions to go to the next stage was that you could show national government backing for the bid. SA are just one of the interested parties at this point.

That's a very low bar these days. Whatever happens we can be sure that South Africa will not be hosting anytime soon. The IRL can't risk taking punts like that. 

Whether people like it or not a rolling basis between Asia-Pacific and Europe is the only thing that makes any sense for the foreseeable future. Which means that, of the announced potential hosts, it's almost certainly going to NZ in 2030. 

[sam4731]

13 minutes ago, Father Gascoigne said:

That's a very low bar these days. Whatever happens we can be sure that South Africa will not be hosting anytime soon. The IRL can't risk taking punts like that. 

Whether people like it or not a rolling basis between Asia-Pacific and Europe is the only thing that makes any sense for the foreseeable future. Which means that, of the announced potential hosts, it's almost certainly going to NZ in 2030. 

The bar these days is actually a World Cup happening.

2030 is a long way off.

[DI Keith Fowler]

2 hours ago, Dave T said:

I wasn't pointing out a mistake. I was highlighting that we have used England as the name in the past for the Ashes.

Indeed.

England, Great Britain, Northern Union. What's in a (rugby league) name?

We've contested ashes series under the names Northern Union, England, Great Britain, and then England again. 

[RP London]

38 minutes ago, DI Keith Fowler said:

Indeed.

England, Great Britain, Northern Union. What's in a (rugby league) name?

We've contested ashes series under the names Northern Union, England, Great Britain, and then England again. 

can we go back to Northern Union.. everything was better back then, apparently.

[Sports Prophet]

So with a bit of digging around, here we have a timeline.

August 2023 - IRL meets in Singapore

Announce international calendar featuring the top nations up to 2030, including a “Southern Hemisphere” WC in 2026, a women’s WC in ‘28 and another men’s in ‘30.

Furthermore, included England Ashes tour to Aus in ‘25, Kiwi’s to Eng in ‘27 and then Aus to Eng in ‘28.

July 2024 - IRL announces Aus and PNG as hosts of 2026 RLWC. This comes after expressions of interest to host from NZ and other Pacific nations.

October 2024 - ARLC and RFL engage with IRL about changing the 2025 Ashes hosts from Aus to Eng. 

Now the ARLC and RFL don’t have to justify every action or expression of interest they have. Not publicly anyway. To me, with the above timeline, it seems very likely ARLC came to the rescue to host the 2026 WC but this didn’t align with the current 2025 arrangements, however a simple switch of host means there isn’t the imbalance of which was caused by Australia taking on the RLWC duties. As such, within three months of the 2026 RLWC confirmation, both RFL and ARLC are now in discussions with IRL to change 2025 arrangements.

[Sports Prophet]

3 hours ago, Damien said:

Maybe someone should have told the RFL and people in this country:

It was previously announced at an International Rugby League board meeting that England would be touring Australia in 2025, leading into the 2026 Rugby League World Cup.

Those plans have been put on hold following the announcement of Australia as host of the 2026 World Cup after France’s withdrawal due to financial concerns.

https://www.foxsports.com.au/nrl/nrl-premiership/nrl-2024-australia-set-to-travel-to-england-in-2025-ashes-series-kangaroos-great-britain-tour-revived-australia-rugby-league-comission-news-videos/news-story/30825263caa8adc4173da7ccb060a760

What exactly are you highlighting/insinuating here Damien?

Edited October 29, 2024 by Sports Prophet

[Damien]

2 hours ago, sam4731 said:

The bar these days is actually a World Cup happening.

2030 is a long way off.

It is, who knows what may happen. I'd be shocked though if its not back in the UK then though, if it takes place.

[hunsletgreenandgold]

If anyone can't wait til next year - England Community Lions v Western Australia live right now! 

 

[sam4731]

1 hour ago, Damien said:

It is, who knows what may happen. I'd be shocked though if its not back in the UK then though, if it takes place.

I mean the UK weren't one of the bidders for 2030 but that doesn't necessarily mean much I suppose.

[Damien]

Just now, sam4731 said:

I mean the UK weren't one of the bidders for 2030 but that doesn't necessarily mean much I suppose.

I know, I can't see it being in the Southern hemisphere 2 in a row though and no one else other than England and Australia have been main hosts or shown the capability of being.