Halifax reaction

[vic]

Vics a haven fan

Followed town for 60yrs through thick and thin and hate haven with a passion.

[town4me]

People say it takes overseas time to settle .. Look at the fev boys .. Aiye at haven etc ..

to be fair it took Dion a while to settle partly cause of the pitches being muddy and partly cause we played him in the second row.Only really hit form once he got a settled run at 6yes he was very ineffective and anonymous when he was out wide.

[mike9]

Is it possible that the players just can't play to pv structures?Pv has tweeked swoped dropt all that back line.now I think PV should get the pack lads to one side and concentrate for a hour every training session on them and work out how to get them to build a platform to get us going forward

[Derwent]

well we need to tell wigan we want better players. I have stuck up for DR but if it means we only get their young backs I am not so sure

People tend to forget that Wigan are in partnership with us for their benefit not ours. They'll give us what they want to give us when it suits them, nothing more. If we go down they won't care, they'll just partner with somebody else in the Championship, they're not bothered about us as a club it's just game time for their lads who are too old for the academy games. This is why I don't understand why I our board put so much reliance on this so called partnership.

[DavidM]

Is it possible that the players just can't play to pv structures?Pv has tweeked swoped dropt all that back line.now I think PV should get the pack lads to one side and concentrate for a hour every training session on them and work out how to get them to build a platform to get us going forward

The yardage difference today was so wide it wasn't even funny . Their first set they went 90 and I thought then it may be a long day . Yet we struggled to match even half that a lot of the time . That was exacerbated by their play the ball being quick . I guess that's one thing you can work on , speeding up the ruck to give your runners a bit of help . Other teams seem pro's at controlling that area

[Anonymouse]

People tend to forget that Wigan are in partnership with us for their benefit not ours. They'll give us what they want to give us when it suits them, nothing more. If we go down they won't care, they'll just partner with somebody else in the Championship, they're not bothered about us as a club it's just game time for their lads who are too old for the academy games. This is why I don't understand why I our board put so much reliance on this so called partnership.

will some one give this man a cigar !

[Townie123]

But then we must have had 60 tackles in their 20 in the 80 minutes !!

[wonderofwood]

i wouldn't even include whiteley in that, although he's pretty average as well, he moved back here before town signed him so I'm not convinced he'd be on mega bucks. So that leaves 2, and if there on more than the likes of stack and Matty then it's a travesty. We've seen odd glimpses, and if they were locals we would probably have more patience, but to not come over fit, and to seemingly be injured every other game has highlighted that there not up to the task.

1st thing in the morning I would be getting szostak back ASAP, and I'd be knocking on john Patrick's door and asking him to help us out. John certainly won't be match fit and is a better centre than anyone who's played there this year for us.

and I d be picking up the phone to Widnes to go with Alex and John and bring back the lad who complimented them both last year. 1st of May has gone now so players out of contract can do what they want

[town4me]

and I d be picking up the phone to Widnes to go with Alex and John and bring back the lad who complimented them both last year. 1st of May has gone now so players out of contract can do what they want

good shout. We have to try and freshen things up some how but if wigan have to have the 5 places there's not much can be done.

[wonderofwood]

good shout. We have to try and freshen things up some how but if wigan have to have the 5 places there's not much can be done.

wouldn't be a problem if the club wanted to bring a new face in permanently 

[Death to the Rah Rah's]

I didn't go yesterday due to a family engagement, but I said earlier in the week that any coach worth his salt could easily snuff out any game plan we have due to the monotonous one-up rugby we are playing at the minute. By the sounds of things yesterday's performance was true to form, and unless we get some creativity into the middle very quickly, then this is the way its going to be for the rest of the season apart from an occasional arm wrestle with our fellow strugglers. 

 

The lack of decent half-backs in the UK is staggering! - we always used to produce them, but when was the last time we had a good local half-back in West Cumbria, or at international level for that matter?

 

Does the modern coaching system need looked at, to encourage youngsters up to the age of 14 to play attacking 'off the cuff' rugby to encourage youngsters to develop their own natural flair using their instincts, instead of coaching any flair out of them ?

 

I know I've gone off subject a bit, but it is worrying. I can't think of one half-back in the local amateur leagues who could step up to this level at the minute, and that shows the scale of the problem!

[Onreport]

Followed town for 60yrs through thick and thin and hate haven with a passion.

Me  too (although not quite as long though) whilst I totally agree that this squad is not top 4 material they are certainly better than current form would suggest which does lead you to question why? is it coaching? is it motivation? is it just too tough at this level for some? But the question you raise is a valid one.

I would also re itereate my previous point made on different thread that we seem to have no go forward in the middle, our halves may not be the best but will always struggle behind a beaten pack.

[GeordieTownie]

I didn't go yesterday due to a family engagement, but I said earlier in the week that any coach worth his salt could easily snuff out any game plan we have due to the monotonous one-up rugby we are playing at the minute. By the sounds of things yesterday's performance was true to form, and unless we get some creativity into the middle very quickly, then this is the way its going to be for the rest of the season apart from an occasional arm wrestle with our fellow strugglers.

The lack of decent half-backs in the UK is staggering! - we always used to produce them, but when was the last time we had a good local half-back in West Cumbria, or at international level for that matter?

Does the modern coaching system need looked at, to encourage youngsters up to the age of 14 to play attacking 'off the cuff' rugby to encourage youngsters to develop their own natural flair using their instincts, instead of coaching any flair out of them ?

I know I've gone off subject a bit, but it is worrying. I can't think of one half-back in the local amateur leagues who could step up to this level at the minute, and that shows the scale of the problem!

Fully agree. Creativity seems to be coached out in favour of structure which to be quite frank can be bloody boring!

[Onreport]

He's still at Wakefield isn't he ? Sign Annakin and Petersen and Sammut ... Simple . Job done

Peterson just signed for Sheffield on months loan

[GeordieTownie]

Great signing for them.

[Ginock1]

People forget we signed an exciting half back from the amateur scene who played off the cuff got people of their seats and is an international too, his name is callum Phillips. Been coached to the point that he won't try anything or that the way he plays is due to the situation that he plays to instruction so he doesn't get dropped.

[wonky]

People forget we signed an exciting half back from the amateur scene who played off the cuff got people of their seats and is an international too, his name is callum Phillips. Been coached to the point that he won't try anything or that the way he plays is due to the situation that he plays to instruction so he doesn't get dropped.

got to agree, Callum is miles ahead of the other 3 we play there, and to be fair him and Forber have played well together in the past. You need Phillips on the field for 80 minutes.

[Terry Mac]

agree , 3 from amateur so no costs or very little then one  straight from warrington pro academy and another straight from storm pro academy so no costs there and 3 from overseas which seems to have emptied the bank.

Well the amateur players do cost money in the form of signing fees.

I'd imagine that bringing Fifita over costs far more than people imagine also. Airfares for himself, wife and two children. Renting accommodation for them as well as wages. All this mounts up.

Players who have signed contracts this year will probably of changed the structure of their contract given the foreseen competitive nature of the league.( meaning guaranteed money regardless of win or loss)

Loan players, duel reg players aren't free as some people think either.

Unfortunately all these things together coupled with poor attendances means I for one am not surprised there's no money left.

The majority of the players brought in, have under-performed. And I'm sure PV and the board would love to bring more in, but they ain't going to spend what they haven't got.

[topladtownie]

The majority of the players brought in, have under-performed. 

 

If that is the case, together with the thought we are not getting the

best out of the last years players, and the one man up rugby, then

its perhaps not surprising that Phil Veivers performance is being questioned.

 

Imho Town should be doing better than they currently are, defeats at

home to Batley & Hunslet look like proving very costly unless Phil can

turn it round very quickly and get more out of the squad.

[Ginock1]

That's an excellent post and what we should all agree is that the board are doing the right thing by not spending what we haven't got. However how the money has been spent is again something we would have agreed on, secure the local players who probably deserved new deals probably with extra money to fight off havens overtures. Add some overseas talent.....and some promising UK young talent. The big let down is fifita and Horton and what they have so far brought to the table. These guys should be leaders on the pitch and ambassadors off it. From what I've been told from a very good source is that although they are both pleasant they have no get up and go in them no spirit and when you're earning more than most of the lads that would hack me off. Possibly a reason why the team spirit has gone this year.

[Death to the Rah Rah's]

The amount of injuries won't have helped as its difficult to implement structures in training when you have half a dozen players on the treatment table.

 

I think as a country we have become obsessed with the Aussie game and trying to copy their coaching methods at every opportunity. That would be fine if we had their player pool, but we don't and never will have.  

 

The Aussie game has moved on from the defensive game of five years years ago and they are starting to play expansive rugby again. 

[Guest]

People forget we signed an exciting half back from the amateur scene who played off the cuff got people of their seats and is an international too, his name is callum Phillips. Been coached to the point that he won't try anything or that the way he plays is due to the situation that he plays to instruction so he doesn't get dropped.

 

We're certainly missing him right now and the way he lights a game up.

[TrueBlue]

In my opinion we have the strike players and although I would like to see a quality HB brought in, with the players already at our disposal in that area we have enough ability to cause teams problems....but we just don't!!! And I think that's down to PV coaching style, very safe, very predictable don't get me wrong I think he is a top coach and what he achieved last year defensively wise wasn't far off a miricle but I'd like to see the Club fetch in a specialist attack coach, that's the only way we will improve

[ivans82]

would guess the club would have budgeted for crowds around the thousand mark this season  , which hasn t happened , although the big teams are still to come  , the away support again this season has been very poor  , it is the least support i can ever remember coming up from halifax ..... so i would reason we are losing around £4,ooo a game on what we have budgeted for....maybe this is the reason that no money would appear to be available for new signings ..........on the field as we  appear to struggle to play expansive rugby , how about trying more long kicks for our players to chase  , or little chip kicks over the top  , we tried one long and a couple of short kicks yesterday and caused panic every time , nothing to lose with the fixtures left  , lets just have a go and try something different  .

[Onreport]

Sammut shown the door at Wakefied, be interesting to see where he ends up?