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Both are home nations. Both want to observe it by having poppies on their shirt, so what's it to FIFA? It's not like its England v Germany and you could end up with an awkward situation, or worse, fighting on the terraces.

The only reason the FA want it is because they know they'd be on the front page of the Sun being branded as national disgraces or similar if they didn't. I'd be shocked silly if they actually cared enough to be doing it out of a fervour to honour whatever they think the poppy means.

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According to the BBC, "Fifa has been accused of double standards after it emerged Republic of Ireland players wore a political symbol on their shirts in a friendly against Switzerland on 25 March to mark the centenary of the Easter Rising.

Damian Collins MP, chairman of the Commons' Culture, Media and Sport select committee, said he had called on Fifa to "clarify the issue".

The Easter Rising was an Irish rebellion against British rule, which lasted from 24 to 29 April 1916 and resulted in 485 deaths.

"That appears to be an absolutely classic example of leniency being shown to other countries," Collins said."

F off, Fifa


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According to the BBC, "Fifa has been accused of double standards after it emerged Republic of Ireland players wore a political symbol on their shirts in a friendly against Switzerland on 25 March to mark the centenary of the Easter Rising.

Damian Collins MP, chairman of the Commons' Culture, Media and Sport select committee, said he had called on Fifa to "clarify the issue".

The Easter Rising was an Irish rebellion against British rule, which lasted from 24 to 29 April 1916 and resulted in 485 deaths.

"That appears to be an absolutely classic example of leniency being shown to other countries," Collins said."

F off, Fifa

England and Scotland have both worn poppies in games a few years back too. So it's nothing to do with other countries, but there is an issue with inconsistency.

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Pretty sure it has actually been going on since the end of WW1 mate.

Poppies on shirts started a few years ago.

England played on or near 11 November without poppies for about 90 years.


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What if a player chooses not to wear the poppy?  The original plan, and that of the English union side, is to have it embroidered onto the shirt.

 

It's also the plan - or at least has been for the past 3-4 years - of the English RL side.

I have always found poppies on sports kits a bit tokenistic. The players - in football especially - wear almost hundreds of names/logos over the course of a career. Can't argue with the sentiment, of course, but to me the value is lessened when it's plastered next to a huge logo of Kingston Press Cider (for example)

 

 It is an extremely recent development in all sports - I don't remember GB RL ever wearing a poppy on the pitch when we've had all our internationals at this time of year in the SL era. Does anyone know who was the first professional sports team to start it? I'm guessing it may have been in the Premier League


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Poppies on shirts started a few years ago.

England played on or near 11 November without poppies for about 90 years.

I was talking about poppies full stop, so maybe a bit of crossed wires.

And just because you didn't do something for 90 years, doesn't mean it's wrong to start now.

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It's also the plan - or at least has been for the past 3-4 years - of the English RL side.

I have always found poppies on sports kits a bit tokenistic. The players - in football especially - wear almost hundreds of names/logos over the course of a career. Can't argue with the sentiment, of course, but to me the value is lessened when it's plastered next to a huge logo of Kingston Press Cider (for example)

 

 It is an extremely recent development in all sports - I don't remember GB RL ever wearing a poppy on the pitch when we've had all our internationals at this time of year in the SL era. Does anyone know who was the first professional sports team to start it? I'm guessing it may have been in the Premier League

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2227120/All-20-Premier-League-clubs-wear-poppy-pride-Remembrance-Day.html

 

According to this, Leicester City started it in 2003. 

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The only reason the FA want it is because they know they'd be on the front page of the Sun being branded as national disgraces or similar if they didn't. I'd be shocked silly if they actually cared enough to be doing it out of a fervour to honour whatever they think the poppy means.

I'm not sure it matters if the end result is greater awareness amongst younger people about the poppy.

I can't stand most celebs but for some reason their appearance on things like CIN etc boosts the total raised so I can live with them not being sincere (although many are)

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Sort of related but today, for reasons obscure, I've had to travel from Newark to Hastings via the medium of train, tube and car.

 

I counted the number of people I saw who weren't in uniform who were visibly wearing a poppy as there was a lot of very obvious poppy selling going on.

 

I was genuinely surprised that the number was 6.  Out of the several hundred people I passed going via King's X, London Bridge and so on.

 

My musing is whether the corporatisation of the poppy (for e.g. there's a massive one stuck to a wall at King's X) is leading to fewer people wearing them voluntarily on a day to day basis.


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Look FIFA is an obnoxious governing body with little moral authority on anything. None of this is about choosing to wear a token it is about one of the most corrupt sporting organisations dubiously defining the Poppy as not meeting its standards. I mean to say;

 

"Britain is not the only country that has been suffering from the result of war"

Fatma Samba Diouf Samoura
Fifa general secretary
 
To boil this down to such a crass remark, the woman is at best an ignorant simpleton. FIFA's opposition to something far more noble than anything it could possible stand for is the outrage here.

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Look FIFA is an obnoxious governing body with little moral authority on anything. None of this is about choosing to wear a token it is about one of the most corrupt sporting organisations dubiously defining the Poppy as not meeting its standards. I mean to say;

"Britain is not the only country that has been suffering from the result of war"

Fatma Samba Diouf Samoura

Fifa general secretary

To boil this down to such a crass remark, the woman is at best an ignorant simpleton. FIFA's opposition to something far more noble than anything it could possible stand for is the outrage here.

I'd agree with that. When has anyone ever claimed anything like that?

Would anyone seriously object if England were playing Spain and they had something similar in say, May?

If it's just about keeping politics out of it, why the comment? She could have just said 'we don't allow anyone to wear stuff like this' - which is allegedly the policy.

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Wear a white poppy then instead.

 

 I haven't worn a red poppy for 30 years, since I found out about my Uncle Tom, and how he died of his injuries, unaided at Ypres.

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Wear a white poppy then instead.

I haven't worn a red poppy for 30 years, since I found out about my Uncle Tom, and how he died of his injuries, unaided at Ypres.

Guys like that are the reason I do.

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I have a poppy on one of my jackets, I don't transfer it to other jackets when I wear them. If people want to judge me because I'm not wearing one at the time I think it says more about them than about me.


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Guys like that are the reason I do.

I've known a number of ex-servicemen who had a real dislike of the red poppy and everything that went with it; too many bad memories for them.

Personally I can't ware one for more than 5 minutes before losing it. Therefore I wear a poppy wristband. I've had the same one for a few years now, I always stick money in a poppy collectors tin as soon as I see one after wearing it.


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Robert Fisk must have got out of the wrong side of the bed when he wrote this. Seems way over the top to me, but maybe that's because I wholeheartedly disagree with him.

 

The poppy has become a symbol of racism – I have never worn one, and now I never will


 

If you want to wear a poppy, wear one.  If you don't, then don't. Not sure why there has to be such a song and dance about it from either side.

 

The RBL's position, as has already been posted earlier in this thread, seems eminently restrained and sensible to me. Very British, in fact (or what used to be considered 'British' - now we seem to have to get our knickers in a twist over everything).


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Pretty sure it has actually been going on since the end of WW1 mate.

Not on football shirts it hasn't


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###### employment agencies! A scourge on modern life. I was contacted by one last week regarding an IT contracting job last week. Now the first thing you normally agree is the rate for the role. I told them my preferred rate, but they responded that it was a little high, so I came down a bit and we agreed a figure and took it from there. I then had two technical interviews by phone and finally a face to face yesterday morning in Wimbledon. They first called me at 10ish on Tuesday morning to say the interview was in Wimbledon at 4pm that afternoon and was that OK, so as I live north of Liverpool the answer was no, it's not OK. They called this morning to offer me the job - great, so an e-mail was sent to ask confirmation only to get a phone call - would I accept a much lower rate! No, you numpties, we talked about that over a week ago. I Stood my ground, telling them it's non-negotiable and, given the role is actually more consulting than just development, they were getting a very good deal at the rate we had first said. An afternoon of tooing and froing by e-mail and phone they have finally accepted the rate first agreed. Talk about unnecessary hassle. 

 

Anyway, I'm back in the realms of the employed - which is good, I suppose. 


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###### employment agencies! A scourge on modern life. I was contacted by one last week regarding an IT contracting job last week. Now the first thing you normally agree is the rate for the role. I told them my preferred rate, but they responded that it was a little high, so I came down a bit and we agreed a figure and took it from there. I then had two technical interviews by phone and finally a face to face yesterday morning in Wimbledon. They first called me at 10ish on Tuesday morning to say the interview was in Wimbledon at 4pm that afternoon and was that OK, so as I live north of Liverpool the answer was no, it's not OK. They called this morning to offer me the job - great, so an e-mail was sent to ask confirmation only to get a phone call - would I accept a much lower rate! No, you numpties, we talked about that over a week ago. I Stood my ground, telling them it's non-negotiable and, given the role is actually more consulting than just development, they were getting a very good deal at the rate we had first said. An afternoon of tooing and froing by e-mail and phone they have finally accepted the rate first agreed. Talk about unnecessary hassle.

Anyway, I'm back in the realms of the employed - which is good, I suppose.

Excellent news! Agencies can be very deceitful. I'd have no doubts they were also telling the company that you were demanding more money. You cut your rate, the company pays more, the agency takes both the cut and increase as extra profit.

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Excellent news! Agencies can be very deceitful. I'd have no doubts they were also telling the company that you were demanding more money. You cut your rate, the company pays more, the agency takes both the cut and increase as extra profit.

My thoughts exactly. I wish I had got the contact details of the PM of the client company as I would have given him a call.


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Having seen the fees that agencies charge for placing a candidate I try and avoid them at all costs. I do have them regularly contact me to ask if I am looking for new team members, to which I say that I am happy for them to send me the CVs and if they are successful I would be happy to recognise their contribution with £100 of shopping vouchers (which is what they offer me for referring friends and colleagues for them to place in roles) - they always seem to decline.

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My company gives £1000 (after tax) if I nominate someone who gets recruited. They want to avoid agencies if at all possible.


With the best, thats a good bit of PR, though I would say the Bedford team, theres, like, you know, 13 blokes who can get together at the weekend to have a game together, which doesnt point to expansion of the game. Point, yeah go on!

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My company gives £1000 (after tax) if I nominate someone who gets recruited. They want to avoid agencies if at all possible.

 

Similar process here, though depends on the level of the new person but can be up to $3500 (or £ equivalent), which gives an idea of how much agencies charge.

 

I've seen agencies charging 30% of total annual package of new person for placing them, usually payable long before the person has even completed their probation period.

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