cookey Posted October 6, 2016 Share Posted October 6, 2016 Not many it would seem,according to the latest YouGov poll. Trust Labour 24% Do not trust Labour 66% I'm amazed that as many as 24% of the population trust Labour. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RidingPie Posted October 6, 2016 Share Posted October 6, 2016 In fairness, with FPTP you don't need a much higher percentage to form a working government. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
westlondonfan Posted October 6, 2016 Share Posted October 6, 2016 I think around 12th of April this year YouGov had Labour three points ahead of the Tories to win next general election. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shrek Posted October 6, 2016 Share Posted October 6, 2016 In fairness, with FPTP you don't need a much higher percentage to form a working government. 24% is enough to give the current government a majority! With regard the original question, I to am suprised its as high as 24%, but I'd be thinking exactly the same if the poll had been on any other party. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trojan Posted October 6, 2016 Share Posted October 6, 2016 Labour aren't the government, the Tories are, surely after 6 years of the Dave and Gideon show, a more pertinent question would be who trusts the Tories? “Few thought him even a starter.There were many who thought themselves smarter. But he ended PM, CH and OM. An Earl and a Knight of the Garter.” Clement Attlee. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark S Posted October 6, 2016 Share Posted October 6, 2016 As Theresa May users her speech to tell everyone what they wanted to hear trust in the Tories will have gone up, amongst the racists and bigots anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RidingPie Posted October 6, 2016 Share Posted October 6, 2016 As Theresa May users her speech to tell everyone what they wanted to hear trust in the Tories will have gone up, amongst the racists and bigots anyway. I'm afraid attitudes like this are why Labour is failing to make gains against the current govt. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bowes Posted October 6, 2016 Share Posted October 6, 2016 I'm afraid attitudes like this are why Labour is failing to make gains against the current govt.Yeah especially as Labour are the most racist party at the moment Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gingerjon Posted October 6, 2016 Share Posted October 6, 2016 Yeah especially as Labour are the most racist party at the moment Not whilst Ukip exists. Build a man a fire, and he'll be warm for a day. Set a man on fire, and he'll be warm for the rest of his life. (Terry Pratchett) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bowes Posted October 6, 2016 Share Posted October 6, 2016 Not whilst Ukip exists.UKIP have many flaws but they don't have anything on the scale of anti-Semitism in Labour Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roughyhead true Posted October 6, 2016 Share Posted October 6, 2016 Yeah. I mean NHS, education social care, workers rights. I'd trust the tories all day long. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bedford Roughyed Posted October 6, 2016 Share Posted October 6, 2016 UKIP have many flaws but they don't have anything on the scale of anti-Semitism in Labour Didn't you stand as a UKIP councillor a few years ago? With the best, thats a good bit of PR, though I would say the Bedford team, theres, like, you know, 13 blokes who can get together at the weekend to have a game together, which doesnt point to expansion of the game. Point, yeah go on! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gingerjon Posted October 6, 2016 Share Posted October 6, 2016 UKIP have many flaws but they don't have anything on the scale of anti-Semitism in Labour Aside from the outright distrust and contempt for foreigners. Build a man a fire, and he'll be warm for a day. Set a man on fire, and he'll be warm for the rest of his life. (Terry Pratchett) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bowes Posted October 6, 2016 Share Posted October 6, 2016 Didn't you stand as a UKIP councillor a few years ago?Yeah though discovered pretty quickly I'd chosen the wrong party. There are some decent people in there (though many of these have left) but there also some rather dubious characters. I never heard anything racist but left because the party is too economically right wing and there's too much homophobia Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bowes Posted October 6, 2016 Share Posted October 6, 2016 Aside from the outright distrust and contempt for foreigners.Labour had a speaker slagging off Holocaust memorial day and a platter calling for the expulsion of a Jewish group handed roundat their annual conference. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gingerjon Posted October 6, 2016 Share Posted October 6, 2016 Labour had a speaker slagging off Holocaust memorial day and a platter calling for the expulsion of a Jewish group handed roundat their annual conference. I know all that. And I think Labour's handling of it all has revealed something very nasty in parts of the party. But it does pale next to the folk following a man who says on national radio that decent people wouldn't want to live next door to some Romanians (etc) Build a man a fire, and he'll be warm for a day. Set a man on fire, and he'll be warm for the rest of his life. (Terry Pratchett) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Griff9of13 Posted October 6, 2016 Share Posted October 6, 2016 I know all that. And I think Labour's handling of it all has revealed something very nasty in parts of the party. But it does pale next to the folk following a man who says on national radio that decent people wouldn't want to live next door to some Romanians (etc) The main difference being that one party it is the fringe loonies coming out with the nasty stuff (and getting themselves booted out of the party for their troubles) whereas in the other party it's the party leader. "it is a well known fact that those people who most want to rule people are, ipso facto, those least suited to do it." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tommygilf Posted October 6, 2016 Share Posted October 6, 2016 Ironically I think the labour party have become the very thing a lot of the Marxist/Trotskyite theories suggest in terms of representative democracy being "the executive committee of the Bourgeoisie". In many ways, falling trust in labour has led to a form of "class consciousness" where people are beginning to realise there are other parties out there other than Labour. It happened in Scotland with the SNP, and is happening across Northern England and Wales with UKIP, as well as with the Greens and Lib Dems in various other areas. Labour are in trouble because they seem to have tried to represent everyone and now truly represent no one; the core slipping away as old allegiances to parties break down. Though someone like Peter Hitchens proposes that both Labour and the Tories are two corpses locked by rigor mortis (and that if one fell the other would be soon to follow), I can't help but feel Labour are most at threat from voters turning to other parties; especially now Theresa May is Tory Leader. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trojan Posted October 7, 2016 Share Posted October 7, 2016 Ironically I think the labour party have become the very thing a lot of the Marxist/Trotskyite theories suggest in terms of representative democracy being "the executive committee of the Bourgeoisie". In many ways, falling trust in labour has led to a form of "class consciousness" where people are beginning to realise there are other parties out there other than Labour. It happened in Scotland with the SNP, and is happening across Northern England and Wales with UKIP, as well as with the Greens and Lib Dems in various other areas. Labour are in trouble because they seem to have tried to represent everyone and now truly represent no one; the core slipping away as old allegiances to parties break down. Though someone like Peter Hitchens proposes that both Labour and the Tories are two corpses locked by rigor mortis (and that if one fell the other would be soon to follow), I can't help but feel Labour are most at threat from voters turning to other parties; especially now Theresa May is Tory Leader. Theresa May has been PM for three months, I think it's early days for such judgements. Already with her proposed return to the 11+ she has shown herself to be divisive. To me she has all the hallmarks of the Tory class warrior in the mould of Thatcher, but let's wait and see. As for writing Labour off, there were plenty ready to do that in 1983, but they came back, saw off the SDP (which is what the '87 election was really about) and thumped the Tories in '97. Again it's early days/ “Few thought him even a starter.There were many who thought themselves smarter. But he ended PM, CH and OM. An Earl and a Knight of the Garter.” Clement Attlee. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trojan Posted October 7, 2016 Share Posted October 7, 2016 And of course there is Brexit. Who knows what chaos in the economy the so called "hard" Brexit will cause. If things go t I t s who'll get the blame? “Few thought him even a starter.There were many who thought themselves smarter. But he ended PM, CH and OM. An Earl and a Knight of the Garter.” Clement Attlee. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cookey Posted October 11, 2016 Author Share Posted October 11, 2016 The number of people trusting Labour continues to decline according to the latest ICM/Guardian poll. Con 43% Lab 26% LDem 8% UKIP 11% Green 6% Frankly,this is an unheard of lead for an incumbent Govt,mid term - Labour would need to be some 7/8% clear to have any realistic chance of forming the next Govt.That is before the boundary changes negate the inbuilt Labour advantage of 2.3%. Shortly,we will start to hear of moderate Labour M.P.'s opting not to stand at the next election,in order to spend more time with their families,whilst other moderates will be de selected by Momentum.Even the M.P.'s themselves dont trust Corbyn,as he still has failed to fill his front bench,after the sacking of Rosie Winterton and the resignation of two others.Two betting companies are now suggesting that Labour will secure less than 150 seats at the next election. Even the Scots have had enough of the incompetent Labour Party. SNP 50% Con 21% Lab 16% LDem 5% Green 4% UKIP 4% Is a split now inevitable,either before or after the next election? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gingerjon Posted October 11, 2016 Share Posted October 11, 2016 What's the point of this thread? Build a man a fire, and he'll be warm for a day. Set a man on fire, and he'll be warm for the rest of his life. (Terry Pratchett) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cookey Posted October 11, 2016 Author Share Posted October 11, 2016 Similar to your Tory one,you seem quite keen on that one!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trojan Posted October 11, 2016 Share Posted October 11, 2016 Similar to your Tory one,you seem quite keen on that one!! The difference being that the Tories are the government and doing things to spoil people's lives. Let's reserve judgement on Labour until the Brexit solids his the air conditioner. All the talk of how well we're doing since Brexit is just that, talk. We haven't Brexited yet and already the pound has plunged. “Few thought him even a starter.There were many who thought themselves smarter. But he ended PM, CH and OM. An Earl and a Knight of the Garter.” Clement Attlee. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bedford Roughyed Posted October 11, 2016 Share Posted October 11, 2016 But there is already a labour thread. A quite long labour thread. With the best, thats a good bit of PR, though I would say the Bedford team, theres, like, you know, 13 blokes who can get together at the weekend to have a game together, which doesnt point to expansion of the game. Point, yeah go on! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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