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2 minutes ago, SilentAssassin said:

The WC final should be THE biggest game in the sport, if the Aussie fans don't see it that way they shouldn't host the WC again give it someone who does care.

As said its been 40 years since australia lifted the trophy in their own backyard, a generation ago,and who knows when they will get to host it again, hopefully after this showing not for a long time.

Also, i thought Aussies liked watching winners and seeing the poms crushed? I really don't buy the excuses.

Should be, but isn't!

And it isn't the Roos, NRL, ARLC, or Australian RL fans fault that it isn't the biggest game in the sport and even if they did pretend that it was just to satisfy the desperate need of a few hardcore fans for the WC to be the biggest event in RL it still wouldn't change the fact that it isn't either, and before you go on about how it is the biggest game in the sport it simply isn't whether we like it or not, and the numbers back that up (SOO has higher ratings, higher average crowds, larger merchandise sales, more reach, higher sponsorship and broadcasting value, etc, etc).

And asserting over and over in a whiny fashion that it is the biggest game in the sport isn't going to change the perception of the WC down here no matter how often we do it.

If you want that perception to change you're going to have to change it yourselves as well because whether we like it or not the NRL and most of it's fans are quite happy with the status quo and have no will to change it, and the best things that the RFL and English fans could do to change that perception is to hold (and financially back) plenty of events against as many different teams as possible, and in as many different countries as possible before the next world cup, and hope that some of them (not just the Kiwis) beat your lot in good hard fought games. The other thing your lot can do is beat the Roos 3+ times in a row and do it convincingly, absolutely smash them, embarrass them, make everybody pay attention and see that the barbarians have smashed through the great wall and need to be fended off, just like Queensland did in the early years of Origin.

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23 minutes ago, Mattrhino said:

Is it? Australia is an expensive country where a NRL jersey costs what $175?so is a ticket range $70 to $150 really that much?

Your average NRL ticket (so not including boxs, VIPs, etc) is much less then half that price, depending on the club and the ground they range from about A$15 to roughly A$65, and more commonly on the lower side of that scale i'd suggest.

And frankly, whether we like it or not, the WC simply isn't seen as an event worth those sorts of ticket prices down here.

BTW, jerseys are A$180 down here and climbing, they'll be at least A$200 by 2020, and it's actually cheaper to buy them in the UK (or France if you can find them there) even with postage, except that the NRL has put an embargo on stores from outside of Aus selling them to customers from Aus over the internet! It's a bloody racket, but people are willing to pay, in fact I know plenty of people that have wardrobes full of the things but haven't actually attended a game in years... 

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Its been a disaster having the Aussies organize this WC. No promotion duRing the NRL season or with the grassroots of the game. Poor scheduling of games like Melbourne and Darwin on a Friday Night. The game might as well have gone to South African as they guarenteed us a Minimum of 12 Million Aussie Dollars. There should be a Review of everything about this WC. Off the field outside the crowds in PNG and NZ its been a disgrace.

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1 hour ago, The Great Dane said:

Your average NRL ticket (so not including boxs, VIPs, etc) is much less then half that price, depending on the club and the ground they range from about A$15 to roughly A$65, and more commonly on the lower side of that scale i'd suggest.

And frankly, whether we like it or not, the WC simply isn't seen as an event worth those sorts of ticket prices down here.

BTW, jerseys are A$180 down here and climbing, they'll be at least A$200 by 2020, and it's actually cheaper to buy them in the UK (or France if you can find them there) even with postage, except that the NRL has put an embargo on stores from outside of Aus selling them to customers from Aus over the internet! It's a bloody racket, but people are willing to pay, in fact I know plenty of people that have wardrobes full of the things but haven't actually attended a game in years... 

How much are SOO tickets?

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This looks kinda cool

http://www.rlwc2017.com/finalsweek

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Crusaders RL to get a franchise for 2012 onwards -WRONG

Widnes Vikings also to get a franchise - RIGHT

Crusaders RL to do the double over Widnes and finish five places ahead of them -WRONG

Widnes Vikings NOT to dominate rugby league in years to come! STILL TO COME

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http://www.walesrugbyleague.co.uk/

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PROUD TO BE A MEMBER OF http://www.rugbyleaguecares.org/ and http://www.walesrugbyleague.co.uk/article/8790/join-team-wales-for-2013

Predictions for the future -

Crusaders RL to get a franchise for 2012 onwards -WRONG

Widnes Vikings also to get a franchise - RIGHT

Crusaders RL to do the double over Widnes and finish five places ahead of them -WRONG

Widnes Vikings NOT to dominate rugby league in years to come! STILL TO COME

http://www.pitchero.com/clubs/cardiffdemonsrlfc/

http://www.walesrugbyleague.co.uk/

I promise to pay �10 to the charity of Bomb Jacks choice if Widnes Millionaires finish above the battling underdogs Crusaders RL. I OWE A TENNER!

http://www.jaxaxe.co...89/Default.aspx

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4 hours ago, Snooping Unionite said:

Atleast use the umlaut... (Moët)

Pffft

 

Not an umlaut: Moët is French. It's a trema. HTH.

I can confirm 30+ less sales for Scotland vs Italy at Workington, after this afternoons test purchase for the Tonga match, £7.50 is extremely reasonable, however a £2.50 'delivery' fee for a walk in purchase is beyond taking the mickey, good luck with that, it's cheaper on the telly.

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8 minutes ago, Mattrhino said:

 

 

Was abouf to say this. In terms if world wide viewership the WC final dwarfs the SoO

In any event, it is by the by. The only questions that needs to be asked is this - first, was everything that could be done, done? (the answer will be no) and if not, why not? (the NRL people had no incentive to do more than meet their "guaranteed" profit target) And was what was done, done well? (no). 

Interestingly, the NRL's parochialism has meant that they have missed a trick here. They could have targeted entirely new markets, they could have distinguished our game with its rich and glorious history circling the globe, from the AFL. They could have told infinite back stories to attract fans turned off by the endless thuggery of NRL "stars" with a fresh insight into what drives people to play the game they love. Which I suspect is what Smith saw in it, in the first place. The RLWC could have given the NRL a shot in the arm, showing that we are a much bigger and internationally relevant sport than their competitor. Instead, the AFL got the comp they wanted. 

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3 hours ago, Mattrhino said:

Is it? Australia is an expensive country where a NRL jersey costs what $175?so is a ticket range $70 to $150 really that much?

It is to some poor kid from Paramatta..a kid who now misses a final with empty seats...a kid who could become a lifelong fan and/or player...a kid who could someday make a difference...it matters alot to THAT kid!

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3 hours ago, The Great Dane said:

Should be, but isn't!

And it isn't the Roos, NRL, ARLC, or Australian RL fans fault that it isn't the biggest game in the sport and even if they did pretend that it was just to satisfy the desperate need of a few hardcore fans for the WC to be the biggest event in RL it still wouldn't change the fact that it isn't either, and before you go on about how it is the biggest game in the sport it simply isn't whether we like it or not, and the numbers back that up (SOO has higher ratings, higher average crowds, larger merchandise sales, more reach, higher sponsorship and broadcasting value, etc, etc).

And asserting over and over in a whiny fashion that it is the biggest game in the sport isn't going to change the perception of the WC down here no matter how often we do it.

If you want that perception to change you're going to have to change it yourselves as well because whether we like it or not the NRL and most of it's fans are quite happy with the status quo and have no will to change it, and the best things that the RFL and English fans could do to change that perception is to hold (and financially back) plenty of events against as many different teams as possible, and in as many different countries as possible before the next world cup, and hope that some of them (not just the Kiwis) beat your lot in good hard fought games. The other thing your lot can do is beat the Roos 3+ times in a row and do it convincingly, absolutely smash them, embarrass them, make everybody pay attention and see that the barbarians have smashed through the great wall and need to be fended off, just like Queensland did in the early years of Origin.

I think there’s some hometruths in what you say that a lot of us English people are going to be uncomfortable with.

Saw this in the Guardian recently which reaffirms a lot of what is being said above too:

“I get the impression from speaking to people involved in the game in the southern hemisphere that the World Cup is looked upon as a third tier comp,” said Wales coach John Kear. “They say top tier is state of origin, second tier NRL and this is seen as a standard below NRL. It probably is and that is reflected in the interest shown in it.”

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10 minutes ago, Gerrumonside ref said:

I think there’s some hometruths in what you say that a lot of us English people are going to be uncomfortable with.

Saw this in the Guardian recently which reaffirms a lot of what is being said above too:

“I get the impression from speaking to people involved in the game in the southern hemisphere that the World Cup is looked upon as a third tier comp,” said Wales coach John Kear. “They say top tier is state of origin, second tier NRL and this is seen as a standard below NRL. It probably is and that is reflected in the interest shown in it.”

I simply don't agree that there is any discomfort about the level of insularity among NRL fans. It is understood, and to an extent understandable. 

There is however annoyance at the complete lack of any attempt to educate them, or indeed approach a new audience solely for the NRL venues. Looked and sounded like Cairns and Darwin, and even Perth got plenty out of the comp. NZ and PNG bought into it. The failure lies entirely at the door of the people unable/unwilling to sell seats at the NRL grounds, not the fans. Wigan got over 30k to see them at the SFS, a crowd far in excess of the one (inc EW) who watched their play off game against the Broncos. Which confirms that the market is there if you work to tap into it. 

SL is clearly not quite as good as NRL, but is a superb competition which has a high level of play, and often very entertaining games. Our top teams are full of good players, as Ireland and England have shown. There is plenty to like about the game outside Oz. 

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6 hours ago, Jace said:

You realise that the rugby league season down here started in March right? The final will be played in December. That leaves 2 months of the year where no rugby league is played. Apart from your rugby league fans, casual observers don't tend to watch the same sport all year round without getting bored. Like I said many times before, at this time of the year, people shift their attention to summer sports. There should be a compromise in a world cup year where it either runs parallel to the NRL and Super League or the club season should be shortened. In saying that, there are also other factors involved with the main one being the Australian perception of the international level/rugby league world cup and how it plays second fiddle to state of origin. While this perception is unfortunate and inaccurate, it is however based on Australia's dominance at the top so it's somewhat justifiable. For the good of the game, England would need to win but that just doesn't seem likely at all.
 

All correct & the last bit is the most important in my opinion. There are plenty of space cadets on hear who will come up with all sorts of reasons why you must be wrong because they just cannot stand hearing the truth.

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18 minutes ago, Gerrumonside ref said:

“I get the impression from speaking to people involved in the game in the southern hemisphere that the World Cup is looked upon as a third tier comp,” said Wales coach John Kear. “They say top tier is state of origin, second tier NRL and this is seen as a standard below NRL. It probably is and that is reflected in the interest shown in it.”

Are you on commission for every time you repeat this? I've seen it in at least three of your posts.

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5 hours ago, Jace said:

Unless I asked every Australian, that's the best I could come up with from living in Australia and making logical observations

For the love of god don't do that, Every one knows people on the other side of the world know far more about RL in Australia than Australians do I mean just read any TRL thread and you'll see that.

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How much? A seat and a shirt are how much? Yer avin a giraffe.

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