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Sat 12 Oct: SLGF: Salford Red Devils v St Helens KO 6pm (TV)

Who will win?  

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  1. 1. Who will win?

    • Salford Red Devils by 13 points or more
      7
    • Salford Red Devils by 7 to 12 points
      19
    • Salford Red Devils by 1 to 6 points
      34
    • St Helens by 1 to 6 points
      1
    • St Helens by 7 to 12 points
      23
    • St Helens by 13 points or more
      22

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  • Poll closed on 12/10/19 at 17:00

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8 hours ago, Colin James said:

Saints deserved champions. Clearly the best team in a competition full of average sides.

One of the commentators last night declared them the best Super League team ever. Relative to their contemporaries this may have some merit when you look at the winning margin but I'm not sure they'd have run away with the league had the overall standard been higher. I'd love to see them tested a bit more next season if others raise their game. The potential is there to be a truly great team. 

Not even the best Saints side in SL, Clarke is just there to spout nonsense/fill in gaps between the commentary, if you can call it that.

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4 hours ago, Chris22 said:

Moving on to what we should be talking about the match! Having finished 16 points clear and winning out play off games by an aggregate of 63-10 (against 2nd and 3rd respectively), I do not think that it can be denied that we deserved to be champions.

My concerns going into the match were about our errors and lack of composure. That's why I was pleased to see a patient approach, which was maintained even after we didn't make an immediate breakthrough. I thought we dominated the first 25 minutes, but Salford dominated the next 15 minutes. Half time certainly came at a better time for us. 

On reflection, the Percival try was huge. The first 10 minutes of the second half were evenly matched, perhaps even shaded by Salford, but we got that crucial first try. Not many sides come back from a two-score deficit in Grand Finals so that buffer was welcome.

We didn't try too much for the rest of the game and sensibly saw it home. In the last two weeks, I have seen a different side to us. We adapted our tactics well, such as not risking a 20m restart and taking a powerplay on the last due to the short in goals. Now we have shown we can do it when it matters, I hope we can kick on further next year and that winning trophies doesn't become a once every few year occurrence.

Salford played well and certainly did not freeze in the same way Castleford did in 2017. They caused us problems and on another day, the game would have been far closer. It's a shame they are losing a lot of their better players.

That is utter nonsense, your form in a different competition (for which you won a trophy for) is utterly irrelevant when it comes to another competition. You don't 'deserve' anything based on what you did before, if you'd have lost would that have meant you deserved to win on the back of your aggregate scores against the 2nd/3rd place teams in a different competion and the way you played in the previous games (which was top drawer btw), of course not, so saying you deserve to win is just stupid and illogical.

You deserve to win if you play well enough when it matters, not based on other games in other competitions.

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27 minutes ago, Denton Rovers RLFC said:

That is utter nonsense, your form in a different competition (for which you won a trophy for) is utterly irrelevant when it comes to another competition. You don't 'deserve' anything based on what you did before, if you'd have lost would that have meant you deserved to win on the back of your aggregate scores against the 2nd/3rd place teams in a different competion and the way you played in the previous games (which was top drawer btw), of course not, so saying you deserve to win is just stupid and illogical.

You deserve to win if you play well enough when it matters, not based on other games in other competitions.

You're right.

Suggesting that clearly the best team over the course of both the regular season and play offs deserves to be crowned champions is crazy. On reflection, I feel a bit stupid having posted that.

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49 minutes ago, Denton Rovers RLFC said:

What did happen is that the referee/officials made a significant number of errors that had a bearing, all have an effect on the game/scoreline. 

Utter rubbish.

There was only one decision that may have had a bearing on the scoreline and that was the one I pointed out above.  Any other so-called errors had no bearing on anything because Salford had plenty of time and opportunity to defend them.

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49 minutes ago, Denton Rovers RLFC said:

Not even the best Saints side in SL, Clarke is just there to spout nonsense/fill in gaps between the commentary, if you can call it that.

This side have been called the best because they broke a record in finishing top of the league by 16 points, which is the greatest margin in 124 years.

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11 minutes ago, Saintslass said:

Utter rubbish.

There was only one decision that may have had a bearing on the scoreline and that was the one I pointed out above.  Any other so-called errors had no bearing on anything because Salford had plenty of time and opportunity to defend them.

So the 2 Saints tries that should have had penalties to Salford in the build up  didn't affect the scoreline. How odd.

Fages clearly didn't retreat behind the scrum as he is supposed to do and created the gap for Taia as a result. That is plain as day.

The 3rd try Saints clearly stripped the ball but no penalty to Salford and instead Saints were given the ball and scored. Again plain as day.

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Well I the game. I was surprised by the calls that went against Salford, what were the TJs doing surely they could have helped out.

Saints were by far the better side ball in hand, the speed of the play the ball was difficult to deal with.

The atmosphere was incredible, the noise in the Salford end was almost constant, I'm not a huge fan of football grounds as I feel detached from the game especially when watching behind the sticks. 

Hope it isn't too long before Salford are involved in another one. Met up with fans I haven't seen in years as we now stand in the different parts of the ground.

 

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1 hour ago, Saintslass said:

This side have been called the best because they broke a record in finishing top of the league by 16 points, which is the greatest margin in 124 years.

And yet you still couldn't be arsed going to the stadium to watch them?

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13 minutes ago, Red Willow said:

Met up with fans I haven't seen in years as we now stand in the different parts of the ground.

 

Is the AJ Bell bigger and busier than I'm remembering? 😮

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No, just that at the Willows we all stood in the shed, now those same fans are spread across South and West stand and in the west stand I see less people as that is significantly bigger than the old shed.

One fans did travel over from Sydney as well so it explains that 🙂

 

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3 hours ago, Denton Rovers RLFC said:

Who on here or anywhere on social media has said that Kendall won you the GF, I can't say I'm a twatter follower but I've read Graun and FB comments (not all of them) and a fair few RL fans too, I haven't read anywhere that have said that Kendall cost Salford the trophy?

What did happen is that the referee/officials made a significant number of errors that had a bearing, all have an effect on the game/scoreline. Saints were the better side on the night but not by the scoreline as it ended up, I'm not interested in what they did in the league, they didn't 'deserve' it on the back of that, they were the best side but that's a different competition, no side ever deserves to win a competiton based on their previous form/play, it's what they do in the game that matters.

However when you're getting a leg up, playing well is made all the easier to do so and harder for the opposition to match when they are having multiple decisions go against them through no fault of their own. This does change the mentality (of both teams) and it also has an effect physically too. Without those incorrect decisions would the outright outcome be different, probably not, but it would have been a hell of a lot closer, at least competitive and not look like one team is getting favoured officiating which puts a negative spin on the match/occasion.

The key to the game for me.. was the early unforced errors by Salford that enabled Saints to "pitch tent" in Salfords half/last 20. Zapping Salfords mental and physical energies that as in any RL game normally means they will lose the "energy battle" some way into the 2nd half. Normally ensuring that the other team totally dominant from that point on.

If any negative spin for our preferred underdogs not winning it was those Salford errors and not being able to cope with the pressure early on.

That's what happened for me... those errors early on lost the game more than any debatable ref decisions.... including ones that Saints could have been awarded but were not.

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Saints had an excellent game plan and that won the game.


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19 hours ago, redsi42 said:

What did he say

When asked about the poor ref decisions he said something like ‘I’m not going to bag the ref, look at the scoreboard...best team won’

Eamon McMoanus take note

 

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Not seen the entire thread so apologies if this has been already posted :

Hats off to the good folk behind Manchester's traffic alerts...

 

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57 minutes ago, Pie tries said:

When asked about the poor ref decisions he said something like ‘I’m not going to bag the ref, look at the scoreboard...best team won’

Eamon McMoanus take note

 

God only knows what would have happened if Saints had lost due to a "Controversial" call.

MacManus would have spontanueously combusted. 

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2 hours ago, Jim Prendle said:

And yet you still couldn't be arsed going to the stadium to watch them?

What?  I've been to the stadium lots over the course of the season to watch them.  I went to Wembley to watch them.  

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Just now, Saintslass said:

What?  I've been to the stadium lots over the course of the season to watch them.  I went to Wembley to watch them.  

But you didn't manage to travel the 20 or so miles to OT to see the best team in SL history play in the GF?

Some fans just don't deserve the team they are given.

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Just now, Jim Prendle said:

But you didn't manage to travel the 20 or so miles to OT to see the best team in SL history play in the GF?

Some fans just don't deserve the team they are given.

That's right.  I couldn't be bothered.  Sure.  I'd suggest you keep your inappropriate comments to yourself.

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Just now, Saintslass said:

That's right.  I couldn't be bothered.  Sure.  I'd suggest you keep your inappropriate comments to yourself.

But my comment was very appropriate.

I simply stated a fact. You, as a self confessed Saints fan, couldn't be bothered to follow your team 20 miles to watch them in the biggest game of the season.

You seem very quick to praise them, and defend them, but not that quick to get in the car and go and watch them.

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1 minute ago, Jim Prendle said:

But my comment was very appropriate.

I simply stated a fact. You, as a self confessed Saints fan, couldn't be bothered to follow your team 20 miles to watch them in the biggest game of the season.

You seem very quick to praise them, and defend them, but not that quick to get in the car and go and watch them.

Er, I don't have a car.

Like I said, you should keep your inappropriate comments to yourself.  

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Just now, Saintslass said:

Er, I don't have a car.

Like I said, you should keep your inappropriate comments to yourself.  

Which comment? The comment that suggests you aren't willing to go and watch the greatest team in SL history?

It's not inappropriate to state a fact.

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Good Salford support I've been to many sporting events but never heard the c word used so much by the supporters not offended by swearing I get supporters passionate about their team but perhaps a step too far considering I was in family area

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