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3 hours ago, Les Tonks Sidestep said:

He's CEO, not an office boy. Carrying on in that role while (other) employees are not being paid for months makes him absolutely complicit in that act. If TWP were to be re-admitted I'd hope none of the current executives were considered to be 'fit and proper'. 

You could also say that about this LiVolsi fellow. As I understand it he was a member of the "ownership group" and while Argyle was ultimately the man in control the other "owners" also have to take some responsibility for the situation. If Argyle couldn't pay the players then why did the "ownership group" not step forward to help, or were they asked to but refused ?

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I am devastated by todays decision.Obviously I think its wrong but I think it shows the narrow minded thinking of most super league clubs.I very much doubt the Wolfpack will ever be back as I don't se

Rugby League as a sport - fans, owners, administrators, the lot - gets what it deserves. There was an opportunity here, an owner who's spent £10m, a growing fanbase and a very attractive market,

To avoid the forum being swamped with dozens of individual threads about Toronto which generally all end up heading down the same rabbit hole eventually anyway, we're opening this general discussion t

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3 hours ago, Steve Slater said:

Oxford, I don't think that allowing them back in 2022 would be a rejection, it would be better for all parties and certainly give TWP a much better chance of being competitive.

Hello Steve hope you're well,

I don't think a delay would be in any way helpful to anyone except posters who don't want them at all.

With the kind of monies TWP would have and given a close season to prepare being competitive shouldn't prove an insurmountable goal.

stay safe.

" .......means always being with the oppressed and never the oppressors."-- Marek Edelman

 

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4 hours ago, Robin Evans said:

Covid negative. Today is the first day out of bed since Sunday. Temp 38.5.... uti still on impact..... but NOT covid so at least I can hug my grandkids😊

I right waste of a week's annual leave!

Delighted for you Robin, make sure you're well shielded whilst recovering from whatever you've got. Folk of our age and build would be sitting ducks. My 19 year old grandson, at Nottingham Uni, has just come out of it in good health other than reduced sense of taste and smell.

UTR.

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2 hours ago, Oxford said:

Hello Steve hope you're well,

I don't think a delay would be in any way helpful to anyone except posters who don't want them at all.

With the kind of monies TWP would have and given a close season to prepare being competitive shouldn't prove an insurmountable goal.

stay safe.

Same to you Oxford, I'm stuck at home shielding. I've been following this game for 60 years and seen many clubs try to buy success and it doesn't always work, plus I've witnessed many starter clubs fall from grace when they face top class opposition and suddenly lose the winning touch. TWP can be a major force in the game, but I don't think there are enough quality players available to build a competitive squad for next year, and a bad season, or even relegation, could do untold damage.

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1 hour ago, Steve Slater said:

Same to you Oxford, I'm stuck at home shielding. I've been following this game for 60 years and seen many clubs try to buy success and it doesn't always work, plus I've witnessed many starter clubs fall from grace when they face top class opposition and suddenly lose the winning touch. TWP can be a major force in the game, but I don't think there are enough quality players available to build a competitive squad for next year, and a bad season, or even relegation, could do untold damage.

What year did you begin watching? I'm always shielding!

Yes relegation is a blight, promotion isn't so what do you do?

I don't think it's about buying success and I hope those days are gone forever, they meant clubs have crashed on the rocks more times than Donald Trump businesses.

Any team not in a heartland would have to spend quite a few years  buying before being in the position of fielding a home grown side and even the most successful clubs at this still need a Bevan French or four.

When they opted for protecting the Dragons early on from relegation I thought they'd learned their lesson.

And although they could be a force the decision should be entirely about what effect it has on the media coverage here to have them competing. Has it increased coverage? Does it continue to increase it? What other effects can be attributed to any increase ?  etc It's media oxygen that the game is starved of and in turn the level of investment and sponsorship required because of that.

 

 

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6 hours ago, Robin Evans said:

Covid negative. Today is the first day out of bed since Sunday. Temp 38.5.... uti still on impact..... but NOT covid so at least I can hug my grandkids😊

I right waste of a week's annual leave!

So you've been ' swinging the lead ' you lazy get 😂

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7 hours ago, Dave T said:

The issue with Argyle is not going 'broke' it is the dishonesty and questionable business dealings that mean he should be banned. 

This, sadly not the first guy of this type to get involved with pro sport and he won’t be the last. Unfortunately for RL we do seem to attract a disproportionately high number of these guys though, so again I question the due diligence being done at the time of application.

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36 minutes ago, Oldbear said:

This, sadly not the first guy of this type to get involved with pro sport and he won’t be the last. Unfortunately for RL we do seem to attract a disproportionately high number of these guys though, so again I question the due diligence being done at the time of application.

I wouldn’t say it’s disproportionally higher than football, the football league alone is littered with examples of this. 

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On 21/10/2020 at 22:27, Robin Evans said:

Its quite easy to reconcile. 

Basically, johnny makes the point livolsi cannot be expected to be made responsible for Argyles screw ups if he doesn't get what he wants whilst in the earlier post make an entirely different point that your assertion that players should look after their money better is utterly irrelevant and diversionary to the moral responsibility that twp has on paying its creditors.

They are two very different points. 

Thanks Robin - saved me some ink (old PC).

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On 22/10/2020 at 00:04, TIWIT said:

You are essentially correct and I pretty much agree. Perhaps I shoudnt have combined the two because as you note they are two different issues.

But I'm stuck in a hospital bed so what else can I do for fun but argue?

Best wishes old lad.

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On 22/10/2020 at 00:19, Robin Evans said:

I've been in bed since Sunday with a 39°c temp, a raging uti, peeing marmite  a cough and I've done a covid swab today. 

Hang on in there big lad, we need you.

Sport, amongst other things, is a dream-world offering escape from harsh reality and the disturbing prospect of change.

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11 hours ago, Les Tonks Sidestep said:

He's CEO, not an office boy. Carrying on in that role while (other) employees are not being paid for months makes him absolutely complicit in that act. If TWP were to be re-admitted I'd hope none of the current executives were considered to be 'fit and proper'. 

Is he being paid and, if so, by whom?

If not, what is in it for him?

Sorry to sound cynical but, in all my years in business, my maxim was "follow the money".

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1 hour ago, Blind side johnny said:

Is he being paid and, if so, by whom?

If not, what is in it for him?

Sorry to sound cynical but, in all my years in business, my maxim was "follow the money".

Hunter says in the following article that he is working without payment.

https://www.prpeak.com/toronto-wolfpack-ready-to-make-case-to-return-to-action-with-new-owner-1.24195221
 

and not sure this is well known but the RFL did make some hardship payments to TWP players.

https://www.timescolonist.com/life/wolfpack-players-receive-hardship-payments-from-rugby-league-authorities-1.24202716

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2 hours ago, Blind side johnny said:

Is he being paid and, if so, by whom?

If not, what is in it for him?

Sorry to sound cynical but, in all my years in business, my maxim was "follow the money".

Not got the foggiest idea if he's being paid or not, but I do know that not everyone is motivated purely by money at all stages of their career/life.

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3 hours ago, Blind side johnny said:

Is he being paid and, if so, by whom?

If not, what is in it for him?

Sorry to sound cynical but, in all my years in business, my maxim was "follow the money".

It would be the challenge of the whole thing he relishes....he obviously believes in the concept and sees possible reward at the end if he can pull it off...you have to remember he was taught by Jimmy Pattison and this is the mentality and type of thinking Jimmy demands from all of his trainees (I know this for a fact).  Its a different way of thinking but unique also....Jimmy has a 'system' he teaches and instills into people...my brother worked for him and Bob was also there at the time...its the challenge that has hooked him; he will 'get 'er done'.

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3 hours ago, Whippet13 said:

Not got the foggiest idea if he's being paid or not, but I do know that not everyone is motivated purely by money at all stages of their career/life.

From the Canadian Press, 31/8/20

“Wolfpack chairman and CEO Bob Hunter, the former MLSE executive who has not taken a salary since joining the franchise last August, says the hope is the club's future will be decided "the sooner the better."”

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6 minutes ago, Quolls2020 said:

From the Canadian Press, 31/8/20

“Wolfpack chairman and CEO Bob Hunter, the former MLSE executive who has not taken a salary since joining the franchise last August, says the hope is the club's future will be decided "the sooner the better."”

Notice it says “LAST August” and “since joining” that means no salary from 14/8/19.

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56 minutes ago, Quolls2020 said:

Notice it says “LAST August” and “since joining” that means no salary from 14/8/19.

He's a retired MLSE executive. He's not short of a few bucks, this could just be a retirement hobby for him.

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1 hour ago, ojx said:

He's a retired MLSE executive. He's not short of a few bucks, this could just be a retirement hobby for him.

I thought hobbies were supposed to be fun. This doesnt look like much fun to me.

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