The General 'Toronto Wolfpack' Discussion Thread

[Tommygilf]

1 hour ago, Robin Evans said:

Because x are still active,  still participating,  still trying.

No worries.... 

TWP are done. 

Pointlessly. But at least they are humoured!

[Dave T]

12 hours ago, iffleyox said:

I genuinely think I might be the only non pre-existing RL fan who got into RL through Oxford and is still watching it.

Toronto were a bigger set up, and went further, but with gates of say 9,000 it really wouldn’t astonish me if the genuine converts/stickers generated at this point weren’t in the *very* low hundreds at the most.

I’m not sure we can really blame them. Something blew in, caught the imagination for a bit, then vanished as unexpectedly as it had come...

Incidentally, I should have been going to watch them this year with a mate of mine who was living out there. He’s now relocated his family back to the UK so will be interesting to see if they now go and watch Newcastle Thunder as their new local side.

We can't blame them. Just as we can't blame fans of clubs in the North of England just being interested in their club (generally speaking). 

[Dave T]

10 hours ago, silverback said:

wont be in until 2022 by sounds a things,but someone put a link up a few weeks back about ottawa not getting use of the stadium as would have wanted due to local costing issues.

 

The newly-formed Ottawa Aces will not enter the RFL league structure next year. TotalRL can reveal the Canadian club will not be a part of...

View the full article

From this article, this is an appalling line from Matt Shaw... 

It comes at a time when Super League’s decision to reject Toronto’s reapplication to Super League has left the Wolfpack’s players and staff without six months pay.

[Les Tonks Sidestep]

1 hour ago, Dave T said:

From this article, this is an appalling line from Matt Shaw... 

It comes at a time when Super League’s decision to reject Toronto’s reapplication to Super League has left the Wolfpack’s players and staff without six months pay.

You expect anything other from him? If he, and other supposed journalists, had been on to the reports of unpaid bills and wages when they first arose, the end game may well have been different.

[fighting irish]

1 hour ago, Dave T said:

From this article, this is an appalling line from Matt Shaw... 

It comes at a time when Super League’s decision to reject Toronto’s reapplication to Super League has left the Wolfpack’s players and staff without six months pay.

How do you mean Dave? 

[Oxford]

42 minutes ago, Les Tonks Sidestep said:

the end game may well have been different.

Not so I'm afraid,

If there had been no money worries TWP days were numbered & failure to finish the season would've been pretext enough in itself.

SL was waiting for the issue that would present them with a reason.

They also knew it would find favour amongst quite a few fans and chairmen.

 

[Dave T]

5 hours ago, fighting irish said:

How do you mean Dave? 

Anybody reading that would think that the reason the players haven't been paid for 6 months was because of the SL vote. 

Now why would anyone want to make people think that? 

[fighting irish]

6 minutes ago, Dave T said:

Anybody reading that would think that the reason the players haven't been paid for 6 months was because of the SL vote. 

Now why would anyone want to make people think that? 

I'm a bit slow in the uptake today Dave, can you give me a bit more about what you feel his motives are? 

[Dave T]

24 minutes ago, fighting irish said:

I'm a bit slow in the uptake today Dave, can you give me a bit more about what you feel his motives are? 

There has been a rewriting of history over the last 6 months which has tried to erase any kind of bad behaviour or blame from Argyle's door (I'll be generous and not use TWP's name), and put this all at the existing clubs and SL. 

The propaganda in the last month before they were declined was at crazy levels, treating them as saviours of the game, whilst trashing anything to do with the existing game. 

I'm sad to see TWP go bust, but that was their own setup and behaviour which led to that (and Covid obviously). I wanted it to work, but it not working was not the likes of Wakefield's fault, no matter how much fans like to self harm and trash the existing game. 

[Scotchy1]

Argyle was not twp, twp were not Argyle.

Argyle behaved appallingly 

The game turned its back on twp  in a way it hasn't to most clubs. There isn't a club in the game that hasn't had unpaid debts at some point. 

2 of the clubs applying for Torontos  place needed to borrow players from other clubs to finish the season and strong arm players out of money to keep going only a couple of years ago. 

Why anyone would expect anyone connected with TWP to want any involvement with our game i have no idea. 

Regardless of Argyle, the game decided it didn't want them and they were expendable and the fellow clubs in the RFL family picked over the bones with glee while the body was still warm. 

[briggyq]

The media throughout this have been nothing more than apologists for TWP experiment, at times its been embarrassing,it shouldn't be left to (it seems at least) one bloke to point out the issues that where plaguing them from the start maybe things could have turned out a little differently.

 

The journalists involved I would hope take stock and have a good think at the way they've acted throughout this and perhaps remember that they're the ones who should be asking far more reaching questions that along the lines of "do I need my suntan lotion in July",maybe just maybe the alarm bells that where clearly there with argyles chaotic running of the club could have come to light far sooner.

[PEANUT HEAD]

Why is this topic still running, they don't  exist anymore.

[Damien]

8 hours ago, PEANUT HEAD said:

Why is this topic still running, they don't  exist anymore.

Don't open it then if its no interest to you.

[Tommygilf]

13 hours ago, Scotchy1 said:

Argyle was not twp, twp were not Argyle.

Argyle behaved appallingly 

The game turned its back on twp  in a way it hasn't to most clubs. There isn't a club in the game that hasn't had unpaid debts at some point. 

2 of the clubs applying for Torontos  place needed to borrow players from other clubs to finish the season and strong arm players out of money to keep going only a couple of years ago. 

Why anyone would expect anyone connected with TWP to want any involvement with our game i have no idea. 

Regardless of Argyle, the game decided it didn't want them and they were expendable and the fellow clubs in the RFL family picked over the bones with glee while the body was still warm. 

Absolutely

[Oxford]

There tends to be a lot of attacking aimed at David Argyle but he only did what business men do in dire economic times and you'll see a lot more of that in the coming months. We are not in anything together in the market knows best world we live in. If you want to blame Argyle because it's RL but support it in other parts of your life then you have to live with the consequences. TWP's destruction is as much about free market endeavours as it is about incompetent men being elected or selected far beyond their capabilities and talents.

[Scotchy1]

1 minute ago, Oxford said:

There tends to be a lot of attacking aimed at David Argyle but he only did what business men do in dire economic times and you'll see a lot more of that in the coming months. We are not in anything together in the market knows best world we live in. If you want to blame Argyle because it's RL but support it in other parts of your life then you have to live with the consequences. TWP's destruction is as much about free market endeavours as it is about incompetent men being elected or selected far beyond their capabilities and talents.

Argyle is a convenient bogeyman but hasnt done much more than what others have done, and some of those within the game. 

It is an interesting example of the hypocrisy in the game. Hull KR unilaterally ended their season, nobody really cared. Salford reneged on millions in debt this year and its smart business. Fev and Leigh are 2 years from their debacle of players being made to leave to the point where they needed to borrow players to play in a final and are now demanding a place in SL. 

But the simple of simplest facts remains. Argyle wasnt punished by SL turning away TWP. He was gone. Argyle was irrelevant to the decision to pull the plug and let TWP die.

[Davo5]

10 hours ago, PEANUT HEAD said:

Why is this topic still running, they don't  exist anymore.

It's not mandatory to click on it,feel free to ignore.

[Oxford]

16 minutes ago, Scotchy1 said:

But the simple of simplest facts remains. Argyle wasnt punished by SL turning away TWP. He was gone. Argyle was irrelevant to the decision to pull the plug and let TWP die

Which was just evidence that TWP were doomed the moment the opportunity was presented and expansion is a Dodo.

[westlondonfan]

It looks like long term expansion at professional level is virtually dead in the northern hemisphere now.

[Big Picture]

3 minutes ago, westlondonfan said:

It looks like long term expansion at professional level is virtually dead in the northern hemisphere now.

And with it any chance of turning around the gradual decline of the game in the northern hemisphere.

[Hela Wigmen]

5 minutes ago, westlondonfan said:

It looks like long term expansion at professional level is virtually dead in the northern hemisphere now.

The Exiles return is another kick in the wheels for the games growth. 

[tms]

2 hours ago, Scotchy1 said:

Argyle is a convenient bogeyman but hasnt done much more than what others have done, and some of those within the game. 

It is an interesting example of the hypocrisy in the game. Hull KR unilaterally ended their season, nobody really cared. Salford reneged on millions in debt this year and its smart business. Fev and Leigh are 2 years from their debacle of players being made to leave to the point where they needed to borrow players to play in a final and are now demanding a place in SL. 

But the simple of simplest facts remains. Argyle wasnt punished by SL turning away TWP. He was gone. Argyle was irrelevant to the decision to pull the plug and let TWP die.

FEV have never made players leave   the last three games of the season  and three gaes into the shield FEV lost ten players through injury  ad yes they played leeds academy players in the final but remember they played the semi final and won with 14 players in the squad 

FEV are not demanding a place in superleague  just following the guidlines  with their application

[Hela Wigmen]

Just now, POR said:

FEV have never made players leave   the last three games of the season  and three gaes into the shield FEV lost ten players through injury  ad yes they played leeds academy players in the final but remember they played the semi final and won with 14 players in the squad 

FEV are not demanding a place in superleague  just following the guidlines  with their application

Fev went about it the wrong way. Toronto weren’t even cold and Campbell was banging his drum the same day. A bit unsavoury, that. 

[ATLANTISMAN]

Sensible expansion is what we need 

* Toulouse would be fantastic for SL and FRL

* Newcastle/York/Cumbria need to be supported 

* London is a no brainier 90% of spending decisions on sponsorship come from the South 

* Help for traditional clubs  Oldham/Leigh/Swinton/Rochdale/Barrow/Workington/Whitehaven etc (We need a vibrant championship on TV)

* Stronger ties with France 

* Stronger ties with European expansion tours/tie ups/sister clubs etc Norway/Russia/Ukraine/Serbia/Poland etc 

 

P 

[tms]

4 minutes ago, Hela Wigmen said:

Fev went about it the wrong way. Toronto weren’t even cold and Campbell was banging his drum the same day. A bit unsavoury, that. 

but that was about playing  super league fixtures this season not REPLACING TWP  and after their demise mark said 

“First of all, we are extremely disappointed to see this unfortunate situation happen with the Toronto Wolfpack, we feel it’s a missed opportunity for rugby league 

“Everyone at Featherstone thoroughly enjoyed our encounters with Toronto over the previous two years and nobody wants to see this happen to any club.we hope that when the world gets over this pandemic they can rise again stronger.

that's hardly unsavoury