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1 hour ago, graveyard johnny said:

?????????????? how many people are killed on the roads everyday? do we have mass panic and ban cars? its all relevant , we live in an hysterical society that's driven by insane vanity and paranoia 

I’ve been in a hospital during a pandemic in the 90s. You should see the people dying from the lack of resources in addition to the pandemic. People are absolutely squashed into the hospitals. There’s no room for ill or injured people that aren’t hit by the pandemic.

It is insane. You need to take harsh measures to ensure the pandemic spreads  in a slow and manageable way.

If you all get to the end of this and think, “see it wasn’t that bad after all “ it’s because you successfully walked blindfolded around the edge of the volcano without falling in.

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59 minutes ago, graveyard johnny said:

your gonna worry yourself to death mate before the virus gets you, now lets open a bottle of jim beam , put some tunes on and chill out dude

I realise that you are really just posting this sort of stuff for some sort of braggadocio and that it does not represent your real view.

Fewer than 5 people a day lose their lives on our roads and about 82 are seriously injured. This represents a  relatively unform load on the NHS, and one that can largely be planned for. A goodly proportion of these deaths and injuries are self-inflicted and involve the younger end of the population. 

Coronavirus, it seems,  is relatively mild in the young. However, for people over 70 with underlying health issues , it is clearly proving fatal in a high proportion of cases. These people will have protected themselves from flu but cannot yet do so against this new virus.

You have to bear in mind that many many prople over 70 have such underlying health issues -heart conditions, lung conditions, conditions involving immunosuppressive medication etc.etc. there are people on here more qualified to say what these conditions are.  

So you, as an immature adolescent, may well contract Covid 19 and experience mild symptoms. However, you might then pass it on to an adult who may die from it.

The load on the NHS cannot be predicted and as a new illness on top of other "winter" illnesses, can easily  overload the system. 

So, in summary  don't be a d1ckhead.

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1 hour ago, ckn said:

The “great” British public

 

I see it five days a week at work.  I'm one of the few who overtly washes her hands more often and for 20 seconds, who cleans her keyboard, etc, who coughs/sneezes into my elbow when a tissue isn't to hand (and throws the tissue into the bin, followed by hand cleansing, when one is).  Hardly anyone else does this and there is nothing from my government employer to push for people to do it either.  It's like they're all idiotic zombies.

What worries me is that if we go for all out banning of big gatherings we are going to get the yobbos on the streets causing trouble rather than on the terraces.  That will be delightful.

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1 hour ago, Saintslass said:

I see it five days a week at work.  I'm one of the few who overtly washes her hands more often and for 20 seconds, who cleans her keyboard, etc, who coughs/sneezes into my elbow when a tissue isn't to hand (and throws the tissue into the bin, followed by hand cleansing, when one is).  Hardly anyone else does this and there is nothing from my government employer to push for people to do it either.  It's like they're all idiotic zombies.

What worries me is that if we go for all out banning of big gatherings we are going to get the yobbos on the streets causing trouble rather than on the terraces.  That will be delightful.

I feel your frustration. I honestly want to go off at some people some days. Not only is there staff at my place not playing ball (although it seems to have got better the past few days) there's customers all over coughing and spluttering not covering their mouths, it is really really starting to grate on me now.

HOW HARD IS IT TO COVER YOUR MOUTH JESUS CHRIST 

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For the first time since he said he was resigning (for the first time), I agree with Farage 

 


"When in deadly danger, when beset by doubt; run in little circles, wave your arms and shout"

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2 hours ago, ckn said:

For the first time since he said he was resigning (for the first time), I agree with Farage 

 

I posted this on the politics thread, it seems a plausible explanation of the tactics and the plan -

You can see the risks.  The Italian route doesn’t seem to be working, we won’t stand for the levels of control seen in other countries, so maybe it’s a calculated best risk plan? 

We might know in a few weeks.

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With the best, thats a good bit of PR, though I would say the Bedford team, theres, like, you know, 13 blokes who can get together at the weekend to have a game together, which doesnt point to expansion of the game. Point, yeah go on!

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 Though it has to be asked ...where are Waitrose going to get all their cashiers from now?

 

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I worked on this sort of thing and have no wise words, but a few thoughts.
- these is not a right approach that is correct for all nations. If everyone was doing it right, they would also do things differently.
- This virus will be around for a while. No matter how strict we get, we will not eliminate it before it has spread.
- Limiting public service has a huge health impact as well as economic. Even limiting social interaction has bad effects on health and socity.
- Protecting the vulnerable would mean a huge early 80's style welfare state. We do not have that.

So, I positively do not know which approaches are right and wrong.

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I missed this last night, the Chief Scientific Officer:

 


"When in deadly danger, when beset by doubt; run in little circles, wave your arms and shout"

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We need to go food shopping today. We generally get fresh fruit, veg and meat on a weekly basis, however it's now time for the fortnightly supermarket visit for tinned and dried food, cleaning stuff, etc. Wish me luck! 

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1 hour ago, gazza77 said:

We need to go food shopping today. We generally get fresh fruit, veg and meat on a weekly basis, however it's now time for the fortnightly supermarket visit for tinned and dried food, cleaning stuff, etc. Wish me luck! 

 Feel lucky your still able to go shopping.

Break time at work. We cook for ourselves all the time but due to being quarantined no one has much food left. 

Usually we all go to the supermarket on a Saturday evening for our weekly shop. 

Ten minutes ago it was like a scene out of a movie.. 30 odd guys waiting in a line to collect their rations of  bread, milk, eggs, banana, cucumber and tomatoes. 

How can you do 13 hour shifts on that food?? 

How GREAT it would be, to be ABLE to go shopping ?

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Can't decide which thread is best for this. 

 

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Don't know if anybody's posted this yet (and couldn't be bothered searching 30+ pages)

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1 hour ago, gazza77 said:

We need to go food shopping today. We generally get fresh fruit, veg and meat on a weekly basis, however it's now time for the fortnightly supermarket visit for tinned and dried food, cleaning stuff, etc. Wish me luck! 

Occasionally cough, you’ll get plenty of space. 


"When in deadly danger, when beset by doubt; run in little circles, wave your arms and shout"

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1 hour ago, gazza77 said:

We need to go food shopping today. We generally get fresh fruit, veg and meat on a weekly basis, however it's now time for the fortnightly supermarket visit for tinned and dried food, cleaning stuff, etc. Wish me luck! 

No problems here. There was a huge rush to the big stores on Wednesday evening, then they are deserted last couple of days. 


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5 minutes ago, Farmduck said:

Don't know if anybody's posted this yet (and couldn't be bothered searching 30+ pages)

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As a soy milk drinker I’m very happy to see empty and sparse shelves everywhere except for the soy milk section.

The lunatics bought every single bag of pasta at my local supermarket today. I also haven’t seen any toilet paper there for nearly a week now.

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6 hours ago, Bedford Roughyed said:

I posted this on the politics thread, it seems a plausible explanation of the tactics and the plan -

You can see the risks.  The Italian route doesn’t seem to be working, we won’t stand for the levels of control seen in other countries, so maybe it’s a calculated best risk plan? 

We might know in a few weeks.

I work in education and the closures seem to be dominating the environment at the moment. So many people just presume that closing them is the right thing to do and that the government are just being reckless. Most scientists I've heard seem to accept that it is a genuinely difficult choice.

The obvious point is that if we close too early, then we could end up having to close again and again.

In general, and it is no surprise with social media, there are so many armchair experts out there. My sister on Facebook was going on this morning about how 'the more she thinks about it' the more she thinks we've had this virus in the UK since before Christmas.

I found it very very hard not to reply that the more I think about it, the more I know that she understands nothing about science. I'm still in two minds about posting this:

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9 hours ago, ckn said:

For the first time since he said he was resigning (for the first time), I agree with Farage 

 

He was asked the question what it would take to have herd immunity, as distinct from saying its our plan to let the virus rip through... the quote is the answer.

Context is important as you know better than me... one of my frustrations is that quotes are never put in context or reported what a person may say specifically.... 

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3 minutes ago, Maximus Decimus said:

I work in education and the closures seem to be dominating the environment at the moment. So many people just presume that closing them is the right thing to do and that the government are just being reckless. Most scientists I've heard seem to accept that it is a genuinely difficult choice.

The obvious point is that if we close too early, then we could end up having to close again and again.

In general, and it is no surprise with social media, there are so many armchair experts out there. My sister on Facebook was going on this morning about how 'the more she thinks about it' the more she thinks we've had this virus in the UK since before Christmas.

I found it very very hard not to reply that the more I think about it, the more I know that she understands nothing about science. I'm still in two minds about posting this:

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Yes. The science is the least of it. We can isolate the vulnerable for a short period of time, but that has consequences. For a longer period of time it is more serious. The correct answer is almost always “I don’t know“. 

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8 minutes ago, Bob8 said:

Yes. The science is the least of it. We can isolate the vulnerable for a short period of time, but that has consequences. For a longer period of time it is more serious. The correct answer is almost always “I don’t know“. 

Unfortunately, that's not a good enough answer in this day and age. 

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24 minutes ago, Copa said:

As a soy milk drinker I’m very happy to see empty and sparse shelves everywhere except for the soy milk section.

The lunatics bought every single bag of pasta at my local supermarket today. I also haven’t seen any toilet paper there for nearly a week now.

At ours, the fresh pasta section was stocked to its fullest, no-one was buying that despite the long fridge life of it.


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4 minutes ago, Maximus Decimus said:

Unfortunately, that's not a good enough answer in this day and age. 

It is unfortunately the only one that we have unless you're willing to take guesses as fact. I'd have thought we'd had enough of that sort of stuff.

For example, until late last night, some people who should know better were saying "this can't be transmitted to unborn children". Newly born child yesterday with infection. Same people are now pretending they didn't say it in the first place.

We have to live with a bit of uncertainty otherwise you run into groupthink and some pretty simple mistakes can come in. A persistent "but why?" attitude is probably the best for those dealing with it now when pushed with answers like "that can't happen", or "this is the only way to go".


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At the risk of being flippant...

As one of the at risk/vulnerable persons I noticed sitting here I was getting very warm and given my anxiety thinking I must be getting a temperature..... plus reading the various comments getting more and more concerned and hot 

The I noticed the missus had accidentally turned up the central heating very high....

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