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3 minutes ago, Futtocks said:

I don't know about everyone else's neck of the woods, but round here, the panic-buyers are heading for the big supermarkets. I did the main food and booze shopping at Sainsbury's. Certain sections were empty, and they were exactly the ones you'd expect.

Then I went out later to the Co-op and the corner shop for soap, moisturiser, bogroll, Lemsip and other stuff that had been stripped from the supermarket shelves.

I've seen a few similar comments.  


With the best, thats a good bit of PR, though I would say the Bedford team, theres, like, you know, 13 blokes who can get together at the weekend to have a game together, which doesnt point to expansion of the game. Point, yeah go on!

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4 hours ago, YCKonstantine said:

342 new cases and 10 new deaths in one day.

These numbers are starting to become very worrying.

Yesterday when it was reported that at that point there had been 11 deaths (one over the previous night) it was also reported that there were 20 in critical care, so presumably the overnight deaths were half of those in critical care (although obviously that is me presuming, rather than PHE reporting).  

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15 minutes ago, Bedford Roughyed said:

I've seen a few similar comments.  

I popped up the road from my parent's house to the 'top shop' and there was a mountain of toilet rolls and just about everything else you'd need, and the guy running the place said he would happily order anything my parent needed.  Good to know.

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17 minutes ago, ckn said:

As an aside, how many of you know about this set of emergency legislation that was passed here?

Some big old chunks of deprivation of liberty in there, and a two year window on them expiring. 

I don't know about anyone else but I don't care.  I can just see when we are in the midst of it some nasty nutters spreading it around for the joy of it or simply not caring about others and so not staying indoors.  Remember the first cohort of quarantinies from Wuhan?  One of them threatened to abscond and so the government had to secure emergency powers.  Imagine that happening in various parts of the country should we get to the Italy stage of the outbreak.  What a nightmare that could be, especially for our elderly and vulnerable folk.

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Not helpful, but he isn't alone on the socials pushing full on conspiracy nonsense.

 


With the best, thats a good bit of PR, though I would say the Bedford team, theres, like, you know, 13 blokes who can get together at the weekend to have a game together, which doesnt point to expansion of the game. Point, yeah go on!

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If you need an expert opinion, check out a retired RL player....

 

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"I am the avenging angel; I come with wings unfurled, I come with claws extended from halfway round the world. I am the God Almighty, I am the howling wind. I care not for your family; I care not for your kin. I come in search of terror, though terror is my own; I come in search of vengeance for crimes and crimes unknown. I care not for your children, I care not for your wives, I care not for your country, I care not for your lives." - (c) Jim Boyes - "The Avenging Angel"

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5 minutes ago, Saintslass said:

I popped up the road from my parent's house to the 'top shop' and there was a mountain of toilet rolls and just about everything else you'd need, and the guy running the place said he would happily order anything my parent needed.  Good to know.

My mum said morrisons had no bog roll yesterday but the petrol station had loads... apparently she ran across the forecourt holding them aloft... 

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With the best, thats a good bit of PR, though I would say the Bedford team, theres, like, you know, 13 blokes who can get together at the weekend to have a game together, which doesnt point to expansion of the game. Point, yeah go on!

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12 minutes ago, Saintslass said:

I popped up the road from my parent's house to the 'top shop' and there was a mountain of toilet rolls and just about everything else you'd need, and the guy running the place said he would happily order anything my parent needed.  Good to know.

Have you been watching the latest "Back in Time for" series on the BBC? Corner shops who are prepared to take and put aside orders for customers in the old-fashioned style could be making a comeback!


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4 minutes ago, Futtocks said:

Have you been watching the latest "Back in Time for" series on the BBC? Corner shops who are prepared to take and put aside orders for customers in the old-fashioned style could be making a comeback!

To be honest, I'd love that.  I'm old enough to remember such corner shops from my childhood and while they didn't have the massive range that a supermarket has (not that that makes any difference to me as I always seem to end up buying pretty much the same things each week!), they did treat you like human beings and there was a sense of trust and general community spirit.  

Blimey.  I'm sounding old!  

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53 minutes ago, Futtocks said:

I don't know about everyone else's neck of the woods, but round here, the panic-buyers are heading for the big supermarkets. I did the main food and booze shopping at Sainsbury's. Certain sections were empty, and they were exactly the ones you'd expect.

Then I went out later to the Co-op and the corner shop for soap, moisturiser, bogroll, Lemsip and other stuff that had been stripped from the supermarket shelves.

Exactly my experience.


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22 minutes ago, Saintslass said:

To be honest, I'd love that.  I'm old enough to remember such corner shops from my childhood and while they didn't have the massive range that a supermarket has (not that that makes any difference to me as I always seem to end up buying pretty much the same things each week!), they did treat you like human beings and there was a sense of trust and general community spirit.  

Blimey.  I'm sounding old!  

You forgot to mention "it were all fields round 'ere back in the day..." :kolobok_wink:

To be serious, I also remember the old-fashioned corner shops. And their limited range, their customer-unfriendly opening hours, the assumption that you should check the best-before date on everything you bought, the generally surly and unhelpful jobsworth mentality. The future is the best of the old and new - especially that I can buy some half-decent booze at my modern-day corner shop, which would be out of the question back in the days of beige.

Where I grew up, the nearest village has had a Spar shop for as long as I can remember. Except, back when I was a yoof, it was really a shop of last resort (when it was actually open). A dirty shop, filled with a measly selection of shoddy goods, with a Morlock behind the till. Unless we didn't have the time to drive the extra miles to the nearest town, we avoided the hell out of it. Now it is a wonderfully convenient shop you can trust.

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35 minutes ago, Saintslass said:

I don't know about anyone else but I don't care.  I can just see when we are in the midst of it some nasty nutters spreading it around for the joy of it or simply not caring about others and so not staying indoors.  Remember the first cohort of quarantinies from Wuhan?  One of them threatened to abscond and so the government had to secure emergency powers.  Imagine that happening in various parts of the country should we get to the Italy stage of the outbreak.  What a nightmare that could be, especially for our elderly and vulnerable folk.

I’m a strong opponent of deprivation of liberty laws that are implemented without massive public buy-in. When you get petty bureaucrats deciding significant matters like this then you get trouble.

An example, the great & good at NHS England have given widespread powers to local areas to remove barriers, SOME areas have taken that to mean “right, let’s get rid of things we don’t like”. For example, some areas’ IT teams are stopping team videoconferencing and WhatsApp groups because they don’t like them, even though they’re in demand more than ever. Petty little jobsworths with a tiny bit of power and they abuse it within minutes of getting it. Others are simply refusing to talk to bits of the NHS they don’t like, again because they’re petty jobsworths with their chance to be the big man/woman.

Exactly the same will happen with these things and you’ll see people abuse these powers to do things nothing to do with COVID-19.

I want some sort of release valve in there, e.g. if you’re deprived of liberty then you get an option of a video hearing with a judge or magistrate with an assumption of liberty unless there’s a good case to answer why not.


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3 hours ago, Gerrumonside ref said:

The data coming out of Japan is interesting.

Whether it’s the testing regime or not,  it doesn’t appear to have the same growth rate as Europe in terms of spread of the virus.

I had assumed that the age demographics of that country meant that they would be hit as hard as any.

Anyone wiser as to what is happening to that island nation?

The Japanese are very well drilled for disaster preparation, very clean and hygienic, thoughtful, community minded and disciplined.

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6 minutes ago, Copa said:

The Japanese are very well drilled for disaster preparation, very clean and hygienic, thoughtful, community minded and disciplined.

I was hoping it might be other factors that I like such as Sumo wrestling, sushi and Takeshi’s Castle that might be vital here!

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Hundreds of scientists have written to the government urging them to introduce tougher measures to tackle the spread of Covid-19.

In an open letter, a group of 229 scientists from UK universities say the government's current approach will put the NHS under additional stress and "risk many more lives than necessary".

The signatories also criticised comments made by Sir Patrick Vallance, the government's chief scientific adviser, about managing the spread of the infection to make the population immune.

The scientists also questioned the government's view that people will become fed up with restrictions if they were imposed too soon.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-51892402

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19 minutes ago, Damien said:

Hundreds of scientists have written to the government urging them to introduce tougher measures to tackle the spread of Covid-19.

In an open letter, a group of 229 scientists from UK universities say the government's current approach will put the NHS under additional stress and "risk many more lives than necessary".

The signatories also criticised comments made by Sir Patrick Vallance, the government's chief scientific adviser, about managing the spread of the infection to make the population immune.

The scientists also questioned the government's view that people will become fed up with restrictions if they were imposed too soon.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-51892402

yep, I was awaiting a group of scientists publishing a letter - not surprised as this type of open letter opposing a particular view or suggesting speedier response happens all the time across many fields.

No problem in questioning... just that it doesn't mean their are not large number of scientists that agree with an approach.

The only major difference I see is about timing, as for sure the stricter measures are coming  and behaviour aspects... Personally and not being a scientist I think people will get fed up over a long period... so I therefore have doubts about their approach from knowing myself and people I socialise with.

Anyway it all adds to the anxiety for the population... so not sure how helpful open letters are... assuming they haven't discussed with our current experts that are leading the effort to checkpoint what plans are soon to be put in place or before seeing the modelling.   

Plus when the modelling being used is published I expect these scientists to also publish their modelling so we as general public can better assess who is best informed.

 

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2 hours ago, tim2 said:

Well, she's been on hold for 90 minutes with Air New Zealand.

Update: After 2.5 hours Air New Zealand did the business and she's flying back on Monday.

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52 minutes ago, Copa said:

The Japanese are very well drilled for disaster preparation, very clean and hygienic, thoughtful, community minded and disciplined.

Discarding tissues and not shaking hands are standard.


"I am the avenging angel; I come with wings unfurled, I come with claws extended from halfway round the world. I am the God Almighty, I am the howling wind. I care not for your family; I care not for your kin. I come in search of terror, though terror is my own; I come in search of vengeance for crimes and crimes unknown. I care not for your children, I care not for your wives, I care not for your country, I care not for your lives." - (c) Jim Boyes - "The Avenging Angel"

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6 minutes ago, tim2 said:

Discarding tissues and not shaking hands are standard.

Cough and cold etiquette is extremely well drilled into them also.

While here in Australia I went to a sauna yesterday and someone started coughing without covering their mouth, half the people weren’t sitting on towels, one guy was waving his arms for a stretch that splashed sweat everywhere and another person left the sauna and hopped straight into the spa without showering first!

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Cashier in Sainsbury’s said it was worse than Christmas today.  Except no one panic buys bog roll at Christmas!

No bog roll, Dry pasta, Heinz ketchup and limited tinned soup, veg, beans and fruit.

Plenty of Dairy Milk cornflake cakes so I’m going to survive the night.

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With the best, thats a good bit of PR, though I would say the Bedford team, theres, like, you know, 13 blokes who can get together at the weekend to have a game together, which doesnt point to expansion of the game. Point, yeah go on!

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In a reminder that it’s not just old folk. One of the people who died today in England was 29. 

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26 minutes ago, Copa said:

Cough and cold etiquette is extremely well drilled into them also.

While here in Australia I went to a sauna yesterday and someone started coughing without covering their mouth, half the people weren’t sitting on towels, one guy was waving his arms for a stretch that splashed sweat everywhere and another person left the sauna and hopped straight into the spa without showering first!

I remember in the 60s and maybe 50s... the old

Coughs and Sneezes breed diseases .... mantra... and  being drummed into us to cough/sneeze into a tissue and drop tissue into bin... and emphasis on washing hands.  Plus TV adverts reinforcing it

Don't why that mantra wasn't kept up...

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30 minutes ago, Bedford Roughyed said:

Cashier in Sainsbury’s said it was worse than Christmas today.  Except no one panic buys bog roll at Christmas!

No bog roll, Dry pasta, Heinz ketchup and limited tinned soup, veg, beans and fruit.

Plenty of Dairy Milk cornflake cakes so I’m going to survive the night.

their must come a time when they have no more storage space... unless they are filling the garages, or building sheds and tents in the garden for storage etc..

Then shops and shelves return to normal once the panic buying peaks/filters out....as it can't go on unless they have an unlimited amount of money and are able to store huge quantities....

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