How can Bradford apply for SL when they were on their ass in 2019?

[Scubby]

12 minutes ago, Dave T said:

It's not often I say this about one of your posts - but this is an excellent point.

We shouldn't overlook the lack of optimism that can be built on through this odd 'promotion' that will happen.

 

If this is Wood, Rimmer, Elstone putting 2 and 2 together with Odsal (RFL owned) and a fallen giant in Bradford - it is an almighty car crash waiting to happen.

The only remote chance it would have is to make Bradford immune from relegation for 2021. Which one of the other cellar dwellers is going to vote for that? They are looking for a fall guy.

[sweaty craiq]

If not themselves then Leigh would want TO or Fev promoted as it weakens the comp in 2021. Fev would want Leigh or TO for the same reason. TO would want Fev or Leigh for the same reason

Those 3 clubs are head and shoulders above the rest in 2021, the fear is that one of the current weak teams in Bradford London or York get in, come back down and only 1 of those 3 can get in before the drawbridge is raised again

it is time for two tens in 2022 inclusive of the 5 plus TW and Ottawa, and hopefully Newcastle or a third French club

 

[Dave T]

41 minutes ago, Harry Stottle said:

Independent as in having no club affiliation to any SL team from any board member?

Won't that cost money Dave, the reason that SL took all the decision making on themselves was to save money in employing others to do the job, employing Elstone was a surprise but most probably the most cost effective alternative.

They are spending a fair bit of money with the SL exec team anyway, it's about what power they are prepared to give really. 

[Gav Wilson]

16 minutes ago, sweaty craiq said:

If not themselves then Leigh would want TO or Fev promoted as it weakens the comp in 2021. Fev would want Leigh or TO for the same reason. TO would want Fev or Leigh for the same reason

Those 3 clubs are head and shoulders above the rest in 2021, the fear is that one of the current weak teams in Bradford London or York get in, come back down and only 1 of those 3 can get in before the drawbridge is raised again

it is time for two tens in 2022 inclusive of the 5 plus TW and Ottawa, and hopefully Newcastle or a third French club

 

It does make me smile how low you regard little old York.  

[Scubby]

9 minutes ago, Dave T said:

They are spending a fair bit of money with the SL exec team anyway, it's about what power they are prepared to give really. 

If they just handed all the decision making over the Mick Gledhill, they would get an impartial decision maker plus all the nonsense he spouts on a daily basis would be moderately informed.

[Scubby]

3 minutes ago, Gav Wilson said:

It does make me smile how low you regard little old York.  

Are York having a go at applying Gav? At least the club have some momentum and optimism at the moment. Welcoming some big clubs to a brand new stadium (even if they struggled to compete and survive) would be a positive. They would undoubtedly struggle to win enough games but I think the city would be more tolerant to it than Bradford IMO.

[Gav Wilson]

6 minutes ago, Scubby said:

Are York having a go at applying Gav? At least the club have some momentum and optimism at the moment. Welcoming some big clubs to a brand new stadium (even if they struggled to compete and survive) would be a positive. They would undoubtedly struggle to win enough games but I think the city would be more tolerant to it than Bradford IMO.

Yeah we're having a go mate. We're confident in our bid too!

The Knights in North Yorkshire cover a huge area of up to 800k people not previously seen in Super League, with little competition in our region from top level Union or Football. Our facilities are world class and primed to host a FT environment, we are underpinned by a strong community game, we have political and commercial support, and York is an internationally renowned event and tourism destination!  

[Scubby]

1 minute ago, Gav Wilson said:

Yeah we're having a go mate. We're confident in our bid too!

The Knights in North Yorkshire cover a huge area of up to 800k people not previously seen in Super League, with little competition in our region from top level Union or Football. Our facilities are world class and primed to host a FT environment, we are underpinned by a strong community game, we have political and commercial support, and York is an internationally renowned event and tourism destination!  

Glad to hear! I think it is one option that many people in the game wouldn't argue with. It has a chance to put the spotlight on a rugby city which has had some pretty lean times. Also, as you say, it has some geographical breathing space.

[tms]

2 minutes ago, Gav Wilson said:

Yeah we're having a go mate. We're confident in our bid too!

The Knights in North Yorkshire cover a huge area of up to 800k people not previously seen in Super League, with little competition in our region from top level Union or Football. Our facilities are world class and primed to host a FT environment, we are underpinned by a strong community game, we have political and commercial support, and York is an internationally renowned event and tourism destination!  

when do you move into new ground?

[Eddie]

8 minutes ago, Gav Wilson said:

Yeah we're having a go mate. We're confident in our bid too!

The Knights in North Yorkshire cover a huge area of up to 800k people not previously seen in Super League, with little competition in our region from top level Union or Football. Our facilities are world class and primed to host a FT environment, we are underpinned by a strong community game, we have political and commercial support, and York is an internationally renowned event and tourism destination!  

What’s not to like. 

[Spidey]

20 minutes ago, Gav Wilson said:

It does make me smile how low you regard little old York.  

Nobody knows the impact of not playing the majority of this season either. Clearly some squads look better than others. But most will be coming off a standing start

[Gav Wilson]

5 minutes ago, POR said:

when do you move into new ground?

As soon as Buckingham have sorted the drains mate  hopefully before Christmas. The stadium itself has been complete for months now.

[Tommygilf]

2 hours ago, Dave T said:

Of course there is a risk that clubs vote for things that suit them (hence my point about governance) - but I think the claims that this is about protection from relegation is wrong. I think it is a purely a financial decision. As things stand, team 12 got zero (there is no Toronto's money, they got nowt) - SLE is now having to put its hand in its pocket, it has decided to do that begrudgingly rather than generously.

I suppose its semantics at the end of the day mate, as relegation is ultimately a financial problem more than anything.

[Tommygilf]

2 hours ago, Dave T said:

I do think there is something in an elected independent board (if there can be such a thing). A leadership team that gets the sign off for a strategy and then goes away and delivers it within those boundaries. 

I agree, there needs to be some sort of body that has the support of the game (either through the RFL or the clubs) to act in a decisive manner.

[Dave T]

1 minute ago, Tommygilf said:

I suppose its semantics at the end of the day mate, as relegation is ultimately a financial problem more than anything.

Aye, agreed, I did think about that point too. 

I think my overall point on this is that people always claim a conflict of interest yet, if Wigan and Wire had a conflict over TWP (because they voted no), then why don't Catalans, Leeds and Saints? I don't believe they are any more strategic thinking than the others. 

Similarly, one governing body voted yes, one no. I genuinely think people ultimately vote for what they think is right, however the likes of me and Carter or Hudgell would probably agree on little and so on. 

And we should always remember we have a great many examples of agreements to 'shaft' existing clubs, sometimes at the expense of the likes of Paris, London, Catalans etc. 

But this debate shouldn't even be possible, because even allowing the perception of a conflict of interest is a failing. 

[Oxford]

3 hours ago, Dave T said:

Happy to disagree on this one, I do think it is a cae of overthinking it, and thinking of owners as evil villains like something from Marvel comics trying to control the whole SL World Order. 

I think its all just a bit simpler than that. 

No they're not evil Dave and not from Marvel comics either though maybe the Beano!

[Tommygilf]

37 minutes ago, Dave T said:

Aye, agreed, I did think about that point too. 

I think my overall point on this is that people always claim a conflict of interest yet, if Wigan and Wire had a conflict over TWP (because they voted no), then why don't Catalans, Leeds and Saints? I don't believe they are any more strategic thinking than the others. 

Similarly, one governing body voted yes, one no. I genuinely think people ultimately vote for what they think is right, however the likes of me and Carter or Hudgell would probably agree on little and so on. 

And we should always remember we have a great many examples of agreements to 'shaft' existing clubs, sometimes at the expense of the likes of Paris, London, Catalans etc. 

But this debate shouldn't even be possible, because even allowing the perception of a conflict of interest is a failing. 

This debate shouldn't be happening I agree, not at least in a manner that is relevant to the outcome.

[Phil]

Back at the height of their glory days Bradford approached the company I was working for to open a trade account.

As per our system I ran a credit check on them, even back then they came back as “very high risk”, even then the foundations were very shaky, they were living from hand to mouth. 

[GUBRATS]

18 hours ago, Tommygilf said:

Cas and Huddersfield have won the minor premiership. Salford and Hull KR have at least appeared in finals.

In how many seasons in total ?, Not forgetting Salford's ' success ' is very recent 

 

[Tommygilf]

3 minutes ago, GUBRATS said:

In how many seasons in total ?, Not forgetting Salford's ' success ' is very recent 

That wasn't the question posed and in any case its still more "success" than Leigh. I also forgot to add London (though I was there I was far too young to remember it).

[Oxford]

13 minutes ago, GUBRATS said:

Not forgetting Salford's ' success '

Not forgetting Salford's ' success ' repeated for emphasis!

[ATLANTISMAN]

3 hours ago, Gav Wilson said:

As soon as Buckingham have sorted the drains mate  hopefully before Christmas. The stadium itself has been complete for months now.

Looking forward to it, shame the double header with Toronto Wolfpack never happened in March as SKY agreed to show the York v Featherstone game as well.

Would have been a great day

 

Paul

[MADREDNIGE]

4 hours ago, POR said:

when do you move into new ground?

Hopefully not as long as Cas un wakey lol. Its one thing after another at the new ground so all being well should be ready for the new season. 

[DEANO]

17 minutes ago, MADREDNIGE said:

Hopefully not as long as Cas un wakey lol. Its one thing after another at the new ground so all being well should be ready for the new season. 

Don’t hold your breath

[GUBRATS]

20 hours ago, Tommygilf said:

Cas and Huddersfield have won the minor premiership. Salford and Hull KR have at least appeared in finals.

So those 4 clubs with a combined 81 years in SL between them , with 3 trophy's to win each year , so that's out of 243 possible trophy's have managed, 2 minor premierships and is it 6 final appearances ? 

So on average they've managed a final every 10 years 

Impressive stars to have a go at a club that has only had 2 seasons , but has won more games outside SL than any other pro club in the world over the last 20 years