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Tuesday Morning: these clubs need to be severely punished, the owners driven from the game, TV revenue needs to be more fairly distributed, football's entire governance needs radical reform, fans must be given a say in running clubs, the government must get involved...

Tuesday Evening: It's all good! Nothing to worry about chaps. City and Chelsea have saved football...

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4 hours ago, doc said:

Well, thats nearly over, for another year.  As an Everton fan, all I can say is, Thank God for Rugby League.😁

My view of this may be coloured by being a QPR fan and having a circle of friends who support teams outside the scab six, but every football fan I know - people who buy tickets and regularly go to watch their team - wants this league to start up and the 6 English clubs involved to f off and never come back. 

At some point it's going to happen, we would all be better off if they just did it now.

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1 hour ago, nadera78 said:

My view of this may be coloured by being a QPR fan and having a circle of friends who support teams outside the scab six, but every football fan I know - people who buy tickets and regularly go to watch their team - wants this league to start up and the 6 English clubs involved to f off and never come back. 

At some point it's going to happen, we would all be better off if they just did it now.

The supporters of the six grubbiest clubs in the country are going to be *even more unbearable* now, as if that were possible.

"We saved football for you."

Yeah, thanks for that.

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8 hours ago, marklaspalmas said:

The moral outrage is about 30 years too late, isn't it?

Probably even longer than that TBH. People almost forget that the Premier League came immediately after an era in which the neglect and contempt of owners, with the collusion of government and police, actually wound up killing fans. (And multiple times, not just Hillsborough).

I don't think it does to be too nostalgic about that.

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I suspect you will see a pretty toothless review now into the ownership structure of professional football with the rebellion quashed.

I wouldn’t be entirely surprised if government attention moves on quickly after some spiel about “this must never happen again”, being no more than that.

The uncomfortable truth is that stretched out across the football pyramid very few club owners are going to agree or lobby to permanently address the idea of a German style ownership model that involves the fans at board level.

 

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50 minutes ago, gingerjon said:

Probably even longer than that TBH. People almost forget that the Premier League came immediately after an era in which the neglect and contempt of owners, with the collusion of government and police, actually wound up killing fans. (And multiple times, not just Hillsborough).

I don't think it does to be too nostalgic about that.

No, not just Hillsborough. Heysel, too.

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9 minutes ago, JohnM said:

No, not just Hillsborough. Heysel, too.

Yes, that's exactly what I meant.

FFS.

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Not that it matters one jot in the scheme of things, but I'm not taking sides in this lamentable and wholly preventable celebration of surrealism, hypocrisy and hysteria on all sides.

I will instead deploy the "if only" gambit. If only the Rugby Football Union, rugby teams and fans had demonstrated the same anger, ferocity and unity in 1895, we'd have been spared the last 125 years of hurt.

As for the English club's prime mover resigning, well, I guess we all knew Wood-would.

 

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2 minutes ago, shaun mc said:

1895 was already too late - football had already allowed professionalism, and had made great in-roads into reducing the number of 'rugby' clubs.

 

Football grudgingly allowed a professional schism and later allowed an amateur one.

Reading over some of the newspaper reports at the time it seems reasonably clear that both the writers of the pieces and the clubs involved expected an eventual detente along the lines of Football League/Football Association and weren't really prepared for the ferocity of what followed.

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53 minutes ago, JohnM said:

I will instead deploy the "if only" gambit. If only the Rugby Football Union, rugby teams and fans had demonstrated the same anger, ferocity and unity in 1895, we'd have been spared the last 125 years of hurt.

The breakaway clubs in 1895 were the good guys and established a competition of and sport of which we are all proud.

Apart from that, great analogy.

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59 minutes ago, M j M said:

The breakaway clubs in 1895 were the good guys and established a competition of and sport of which we are all proud.

Apart from that, great analogy.

The breakaway clubs in 1895 were the good guys

Mandy Rice-Davies applies.

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4 hours ago, gingerjon said:

Probably even longer than that TBH. People almost forget that the Premier League came immediately after an era in which the neglect and contempt of owners, with the collusion of government and police, actually wound up killing fans. (And multiple times, not just Hillsborough).

I don't think it does to be too nostalgic about that.

Plus of course there was the Murdoch role in the Premiership. IIRC Alan Sugar was a director of Spurt, and as such sat on the committee which decided where the TV contract was going.  Funnily enough the contact went to Sky,  And who made the Sky dishes at the time? Amstrad of coure.

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4 hours ago, JohnM said:

No, not just Hillsborough. Heysel, too.

The point being that its worth recalling that not all Liverpool fans are innocent victims.

The tragedy resulted in all English football clubs being placed under an indefinite ban by Union of European Football Associations (UEFA) from all European competitions (lifted in 1990–91), with Liverpool being excluded for an additional three years, later reduced to one, and fourteen Liverpool fans found guilty of manslaughter and each sentenced to three years' imprisonment.

 

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3 hours ago, M j M said:

The breakaway clubs in 1895 were the good guys and established a competition of and sport of which we are all proud.

Apart from that, great analogy.

And what about 1995, and the original European Super League, and talk of mergers, PSG joining a British Rugby League, clubs becoming franchises, playing in "Summer", and games being exclusively available on BSKYB, as it was called.

Very similar ideas to Footballs sell-out, but our Rugby League clubs bottled it, & took the News International cash.

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2 minutes ago, Bleep1673 said:

And what about 1995, and the original European Super League, and talk of mergers, PSG joining a British Rugby League, clubs becoming franchises, playing in "Summer", and games being exclusively available on BSKYB, as it was called.

Very similar ideas to Footballs sell-out, but our Rugby League clubs bottled it, & took the News International cash.

RL would have been bug gered without that cash.

Footy will still attract huge (obscene) sums regardless of ESL and footy won't have any direct competition like the newly formed fully professional Rugby union at that time.

There's the fundamental differences.

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6 hours ago, Bleep1673 said:

Are the clubs involved going to be asked to merge, like our SL were asked to do? AC/Inter Milan, Barca/Espanol, Real/Athletic, Marseilles/Nice, Arsenal/Tottenham, Man Utd/City

Why would they??? Comparing fev/cas with utd/city is like comparing me wi johnny depp and concluding we're the image of each other

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11 minutes ago, Robin Evans said:

Why would they??? Comparing fev/cas to utd/city is like comparing me wi johnny depp and concluding we're the image of each other

Fev/Cas/Wakey, was never going to happen, Gateshead/Hull showed the why, plenty of others that have gone wrong. North Sydney & West's, St. George Illawarra, expulsions of the Bunnies, and back.

Sheffield & Southend, Scarborough, Stevenage?

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42 minutes ago, JohnM said:

The point being that its worth recalling that not all Liverpool fans are innocent victims.

Oddly, no one ever said they were.

I went to plenty of games with low level hooliganism - and some with a bit more than that - it's one of the reasons I'm not too misty-eyed about what the past was really like.

56 people burnt to death because a club ignored the numerous warnings sent to it. But do please put up a post about how not all Bradford City and Lincoln City fans are innocent victims. It'll be really helpful.

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31 minutes ago, Bleep1673 said:

& took the News International cash.

The Premier League breakaway literally did the same.

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