Warrington v Castleford,Cas fans coach bricked.

[Josef K]

They seem to have two kinds of stewards at Saints, those in the yellow hi-vis jackets, and then there are others who stand outside the ground before the game who you would see stood at the doors of pubs and clubs. So if anything does start to kickoff they’d have a better idea on how to handle it (you’d hope). I wouldn’t expect those in the hi-vis coats to sort out any unruly behaviour. Who’d want to risk getting a smack in the face from a plastered man or woman, they’re not trained for that sort of behaviour and are only paid a pittance. 

[ELBOWSEYE]

Warrington have in the past employed a seperate stewarding/security company SHowspec, they inside the ground and within the outside boundaries, they have gone into sort crowd trouble in the past, its wether the distance from the stadium thr coaches are is then more of a police problem, either way the club needs to take action including financial if required. 

[Jughead]

This is pretty regular at Warrington. At least twice a year coaches are bricked and cars attacked by fans. Warrington as a club and Cheshire Police have done nothing about this for years and they both should be thoroughly ashamed. 

 

[meast]

4 hours ago, Dave T said:

We don't need to stress too much about whether they are fans or not. We can't keep making out people are not real fans when they cause trouble. The club and police need to do what they can to make it safe for all fans. 

This is a real problem for me.

The fact that RL fans always seem to insist that people causing trouble at RL games aren't RL fans.

We can't keep brushing these things under the carpet as being committed by non RL fans and instead blame football fans or general societal scumbags.

These scumbags attend RL games and cause trouble at RL games.

[meast]

4 hours ago, Barry Badrinath said:

I dunno, as mentioned,  all teams have groups of idiots,  and they'll continue to turn up, like the cas idiots stood outside the club shop last night singing "daryl Powell is a sex offender" 

Castleford fans certainly aren't angels, a section of their support are foul and insist on making life uncomfortable for opposition fans.

It's a problem across the board with most clubs having an element of idiots.

[meast]

3 hours ago, Niels said:

That area of the country. The Manchester City team bus has been attacked twice at Anfield. 

It's wrong to say all teams have an element, it has never happened at Batley.

Actually, I was involved in some trouble between Batley and Huddersfield fans on the long stand terrace in the early 90s.

[Dave T]

8 minutes ago, meast said:

This is a real problem for me.

The fact that RL fans always seem to insist that people causing trouble at RL games aren't RL fans.

We can't keep brushing these things under the carpet as being committed by non RL fans and instead blame football fans or general societal scumbags.

These scumbags attend RL games and cause trouble at RL games.

We should also be honest about the fact that there are plenty of RL fans who are pricks. 

[Barry Badrinath]

8 minutes ago, Dave T said:

We should also be honest about the fact that there are plenty of RL fans who are pricks. 

Well, last night's incident is despicable, but I always find it bemusing when it's saints fans always first in the queue to say how bad we are.

 

The same saints fans that whenever we play, anyone under 40 is usually leering or shouting about how we've not won the league and the rest of it, then play the victim when they get the reaction they're after.

 

Then they drive home to westbrook or hood Manor.

[Jughead]

19 minutes ago, Barry Badrinath said:

Well, last night's incident is despicable, but I always find it bemusing when it's saints fans always first in the queue to say how bad we are.

 

The same saints fans that whenever we play, anyone under 40 is usually leering or shouting about how we've not won the league and the rest of it, then play the victim when they get the reaction they're after.

 

Then they drive home to westbrook or hood Manor.

Singing a song everyone sings (even Warrington fans) is justification for smashing coach windows? You’re wrong. If you think it’s acceptable, you are the problem. 

[Tommygilf]

1 minute ago, Jughead said:

Singing a song everyone sings (even Warrington fans) is justification for smashing coach windows? You’re wrong. If you think it’s acceptable, you are the problem. 

That's a dramatic oversimplification 

[Barry Badrinath]

3 minutes ago, Jughead said:

Singing a song everyone sings (even Warrington fans) is justification for smashing coach windows? You’re wrong. If you think it’s acceptable, you are the problem. 

Yeah thats exactly what I said, I can see why Veronica prefers archie

[Jughead]

1 minute ago, Tommygilf said:

That's a dramatic oversimplification 

It’s a bizarre attempt at justification for something that simply isn’t acceptable. 

[Jughead]

Just now, Barry Badrinath said:

Yeah thats exactly what I said, I can see why Veronica prefers archie

It’s an incredible attempt at rose tinted spectacles, blaming others for the continual failings over a number of years by Warrington Wolves RLFC and Cheshire Police to provide a safe environment for all attending the game. To blame a song and using that as justification for a “reaction” is an incredible clutching of straws. 

[DoubleD]

I await ITV picking up on this, after their new found fondness for rugby league 

[GUBRATS]

3 hours ago, gingerjon said:

No need to be sorry, I think he likes living there.

He doesn't 

[GUBRATS]

Id guess the incident would have happened as the coach passed open ground on the way back to the M62 at Winwick , 

I recall 2 incidents , I was on a coach leaving Fev when one of the back windows was ' tished ' as in toughened glass cracking into millions of pieces , I saw the purpetrator , a kid about ten wearing a Fev Lions coat , not much I could do , how do I as a fifty year old adult stop a ten year old boy walking off down PO rd ? 

So the window got taped up thanks to the SKY TV crew who were in attendance and we got home OK 

A few years earlier I apprehended a gang of youths , 14/15 yr old on the car Park at Hilton Park as they were picking up bricks readying themselves to ventilate a coach as it was leaving to head back to Barrow , one of the lads was the son of a friend and indeed a well known person in RL circles , he knew I could and would be able to get them punished if the aforementioned attack was to take place 

We all have our idiots , indeed on another visit to Fev we got a police escort all the way to the M62 , as we'd spotted a gang of youths waiting just round the corner carrying golf balls , maybe they were off to play a round , maybe not 

Thankfully these incidents are few and far between in our sport 

[TheFlash]

6 hours ago, Cw25 said:

They are muppets. Not Rugby League people. But sadly they associate themselves with it. Same as football etc.

No. "Muppet" implies someone who is a bit stupid, not really malicious, and ends up doing stuff that while idiotic... is ultimately harmless.

I consider myself a Rugby League person, but I wasn't at a game yet this season. These guys very much were at the game, and ARE Rugby League people. Saying they are not, is effectively finding an excuse to ignore their antics. 

Rugby League has a nasty fringe element among its support. This element is scattered across a number of clubs. It cannot be used excused as "not Rugby League people", "Muppets" "idiots" or anything else like that. We need to face up to the fact that a section of the game's fanbase are violent/or racist/or bigoted hooligans. 

Imagine if last night was your first Rugby League game, and you walked out of the stadium to see some rival fans smashing your bus windows. Would you ever go back to a game?? Would you ever encourage anyone else to go to a game??

[TheFlash]

2 hours ago, meast said:

This is a real problem for me.

The fact that RL fans always seem to insist that people causing trouble at RL games aren't RL fans.

We can't keep brushing these things under the carpet as being committed by non RL fans and instead blame football fans or general societal scumbags.

These scumbags attend RL games and cause trouble at RL games.

This. 100%

[Jughead]

9 hours ago, GUBRATS said:

 

Thankfully these incidents are few and far between in our sport 

Since Warrington have been at the HJ, I’ve been on two coaches where a window has been smashed, known of other coaches in the same convoy to have their windows smashed and have lost count of the amount of times stuff has been thrown at coaches but thankfully hasn’t broken windows. I’ve long since not bothered going anymore because it’s really not worth the bother. The club and Cheshire Police have continually failed travelling supporters. 

[ELBOWSEYE]

10 hours ago, Jughead said:

It’s an incredible attempt at rose tinted spectacles, blaming others for the continual failings over a number of years by Warrington Wolves RLFC and Cheshire Police to provide a safe environment for all attending the game. To blame a song and using that as justification for a “reaction” is an incredible clutching of straws. 

Are these vandals from Warrington and support Warrington the answer is yes, do they attend games probably not but occasionally. When it happens so close to the ground is it the clubs problem, I would say yes, far away from the ground it's the  police. But I have over my time seen coaches bricked at Warrington, widned, leeds, Hull, Hull KR, whitehaven, leigh. Its a society problem that happened at games when I was a teenager and now in my 60s. That doesn't mean the clubs have no responsibility but its not them who encourage these people to brick coaches. 

[Gerrumonside ref]

I’d be wary about giving the oxygen of publicity to the people doing this type of thing as it can glorify it for some.  Recognise it for sure, act upon it but tone down the language in the media reporting.

We saw this in the 1980s in football were the intense media reporting of hooliganism was sometimes counter productive.  Sensationalist headlines acted as trophies for some of the hardcore people behind it.

I was a very young Liverpool fan at the 1985 FA Cup semi final replay in which Manchester City and Manchester United fans joined forces and turned Moss Side extremely violent inside and outside Maine Road.  As a 9 year old I was physically threatened and abused by adult Mancunians for celebrating a goal at the game to the point were fair minded older United fans around us stepped in (we were in a ‘neutral section’).  I think back then generally many justified their actions as ###### for tat for previous incidents.

Back in 2022, I would hope the police now with the help of CCTV have more of a chance of dealing with this type of behaviour before we see it escalate over the season.  I’m sorry to hear about the experiences of others and can empathise.

[meast]

3 hours ago, Jughead said:

Since Warrington have been at the HJ, I’ve been on two coaches where a window has been smashed, known of other coaches in the same convoy to have their windows smashed and have lost count of the amount of times stuff has been thrown at coaches but thankfully hasn’t broken windows. I’ve long since not bothered going anymore because it’s really not worth the bother. The club and Cheshire Police have continually failed travelling supporters. 

But yet as a Huddersfield fans, I've always experienced nothing but friendliness from Warrington fans, except the last couple of times when a few youths have tried to antagonise the Giants fans, but other than that I've never had any issues with wire fans.

I've experienced far worse at other grounds though.

[GUBRATS]

5 hours ago, Gerrumonside ref said:

I’d be wary about giving the oxygen of publicity to the people doing this type of thing as it can glorify it for some.  Recognise it for sure, act upon it but tone down the language in the media reporting.

We saw this in the 1980s in football were the intense media reporting of hooliganism was sometimes counter productive.  Sensationalist headlines acted as trophies for some of the hardcore people behind it.

I was a very young Liverpool fan at the 1985 FA Cup semi final replay in which Manchester City and Manchester United fans joined forces and turned Moss Side extremely violent inside and outside Maine Road.  As a 9 year old I was physically threatened and abused by adult Mancunians for celebrating a goal at the game to the point were fair minded older United fans around us stepped in (we were in a ‘neutral section’).  I think back then generally many justified their actions as ###### for tat for previous incidents.

Back in 2022, I would hope the police now with the help of CCTV have more of a chance of dealing with this type of behaviour before we see it escalate over the season.  I’m sorry to hear about the experiences of others and can empathise.

You should have been at the 79 semi at Maine rd , during the match the local city fans trashed every single Liverpool coach , we ended up on the last Utd coach with 5000 Liverpool fans behind us launching anything they could get their hands on at us , the area around Maine rd was awash with derelict land full of all sorts of missiles , you can't really explain what it was like back then to anybody under the age of 30 

[Gerrumonside ref]

4 minutes ago, GUBRATS said:

You should have been at the 79 semi at Maine rd , during the match the local city fans trashed every single Liverpool coach , we ended up on the last Utd coach with 5000 Liverpool fans behind us launching anything they could get their hands on at us , the area around Maine rd was awash with derelict land full of all sorts of missiles , you can't really explain what it was like back then to anybody under the age of 30 

Agree it was a different world.

[Robthegasman]

On 18/02/2022 at 17:19, ELBOWSEYE said:

Not the first time at Warrington, I know it happens elsewhere but Warrington club and Cheshire police need to make plans to deter these idiots, on a side issue there has been a growing problem in Warrington (in the centre and other parts) of large groups of teenagers causing damage, so as above the police and club need to prepare for it spilling over to match days. 

I would be inclined to agree that these groups of trouble causers and thugs are probably the #### who did this.

They no doubt go around Warrington and probably other areas smashing up bus shelters and anything else they choose to.

Now if the Police can’t or will not deal with these #### then a load of Warrington fans should form groups with a good few big handy blokes to deal with them once and for all.