Two referees get it wrong..

[weloveyouwakefield2]

 

[Robin Evans]

It's a good job players aren't dropped after a mistake. None of us would have a game to watch.

And.... referees are fallible. They are human. They are not perfect. 

It doesn't mean they are bent, sent to referee a club to ensure they lose etc etc. They do an increasingly difficult role in our game. 

Given the absolute vile sheeite I've heard some young (teenage) referees take, I'm amazed we have any referees in our game at all. 

[Spidey]

3 minutes ago, Robin Evans said:

It's a good job players aren't dropped after a mistake. None of us would have a game to watch.

And.... referees are fallible. They are human. They are not perfect. 

It doesn't mean they are bent, sent to referee a club to ensure they lose etc etc. They do an increasingly difficult role in our game. 

Given the absolute vile sheeite I've heard some young (teenage) referees take, I'm amazed we have any referees in our game at all. 

Players are dropped though... there needs to be some accountability for referee's performance

[Robin Evans]

Just now, Spidey said:

Players are dropped though... there needs to be some accountability for referee's performance

Some are.... but its unusual for a player to be dropped for a single offence, no matter how defining the mistake was.

Look at the reaction to mcdermott when he dropped Craig Hall and ousted chizzy. The fans went loopy. Yet a ref errs and its open season on the refs

[FearTheVee]

To be fair you can't compare it to a mistake a player makes during a game IMO.

Their job is simply to interpret the rules.  They don't have fatigue and 16 stone men trying to smash them whist they do it.  They didn't accidentally drop a ball.  They are people who made a ridiculously simple and glaring error in a position of responsibility.

What worries me is that if they are able to make such glaring errors then a week in the Championship isn't going to fix things.  I also think the VR is FAAAAAR more at fault than the on field ref.

It was like someone asking a zebra expert what colour a zebra is and them saying green and yellow - it's just not comparable to a player making an error.

Edited July 27, 2022 by FearTheVee

[Spidey]

4 minutes ago, Robin Evans said:

Some are.... but its unusual for a player to be dropped for a single offence, no matter how defining the mistake was.

Look at the reaction to mcdermott when he dropped Craig Hall and ousted chizzy. The fans went loopy. Yet a ref errs and its open season on the refs

I'm sure those refs have made other errors this season (missed forward passes, etc) and have not been dropped.  This was a fundamental issue with not knowing the rules, there has to be something that happens off the back of it surely

 

[Robin Evans]

8 minutes ago, Spidey said:

I'm sure those refs have made other errors this season (missed forward passes, etc) and have not been dropped.  This was a fundamental issue with not knowing the rules, there has to be something that happens off the back of it surely

 

Fev played dews some years ago. We'd just gone a point in front with seconds left. Dews kicked off and the ball didn't go ten. Fev player picks the ball up... pen to dews. Thankfully Reynolds missed the kick. Should the fev player have been dropped?

Ainscough for batley? Drop him?

Hard missing the high ball in the 2010 final? Drop him?

No to all. That is addressed behind the scenes. 

All of those examples weren't the first mistakes that those players will have made. Some balance needs to be applied.

Moore and Child are two of the games better referees. I'm sure they will bounce back better for the experience and I'm confident their error has been addressed properly.

Constantly having a pop at refs will never ever improve the situation 

[Robin Evans]

19 minutes ago, FearTheVee said:

To be fair you can't compare it to a mistake a player makes during a game IMO.

Their job is simply to interpret the rules.  They don't have fatigue and 16 stone men trying to smash them whist they do it.  They didn't accidentally drop a ball.  They are people who made a ridiculously simple and glaring error in a position of responsibility.

What worries me is that if they are able to make such glaring errors then a week in the Championship isn't going to fix things.  I also think the VR is FAAAAAR more at fault than the on field ref.

It was like someone asking a zebra expert what colour a zebra is and them saying green and yellow - it's just not comparable to a player making an error.

Which society are you registered as a ref with?

[FearTheVee]

3 minutes ago, Robin Evans said:

Which society are you registered as a ref with?

I don't feel like I need to be to point out that wasn't a run of the mill refereeing error but an absolute joke which I think shouldn't be acceptable.

And registered ref or not I can 100% guarantee if you had sat me in the bunker I'd have got that calll right.  No doubt I couldn't be an on field ref, and there would be lots I would get wrong in the VR seat, but that was nonsensical.  And that's the point.

Edited July 27, 2022 by FearTheVee

[Robin Evans]

4 minutes ago, FearTheVee said:

I don't feel like I need to be to point out that wasn't a run of the mill refereeing error but an absolute joke which I think shouldn't be acceptable.

And registered ref or not I can 100% guarantee if you had sat me in the bunker I'd have got that calll right.  No doubt I couldn't be an on field ref, and there would be lots I would get wrong in the VR seat, but that was nonsensical.  And that's the point.

And the matter is dealt with. I don't feel the constant haranguing of refs on here contributes anything to the recruitment and retention of referees. Let's not even discuss the cess pit that Facebook can be.

I know two former league refs who reffed at championship level about ten years ago. Both of whom gave it up for several reasons, both citing the constant abuse and lack of support as a result.  

Most refs ride it. Some don't. 

It reminded me of an on field comment of a ref I slated a plenty... "I may not be good lads, but I'm all you've got". A comment that struck a chord with me. Incidently, he quit league too and is now a billy big b'locks in rugby union. The refs in Union don't get anywhere near the grief.

[Phil]

So some contributors on here have complained repeatedly that there’s no sanction for a ref who screws up.

Well here you go, there is, and it’s still not good enough

[Eddie]

I’m glad I don’t get sacked every time I make a mistake at work. 

[Robin Evans]

7 minutes ago, Eddie said:

I’m glad I don’t get sacked every time I make a mistake at work. 

Aye, me n'all.

[Angelic Upstart]

This is a mistake that should never have happened given the experience of the officials out on the field and in the box. We have no idea what was said between the on field officials at the time, but I think Marcus Griffiths is lucky not to be implicated in this farce, arguably he had the best view.

[Spidey]

1 hour ago, Robin Evans said:

Fev played dews some years ago. We'd just gone a point in front with seconds left. Dews kicked off and the ball didn't go ten. Fev player picks the ball up... pen to dews. Thankfully Reynolds missed the kick. Should the fev player have been dropped?

Ainscough for batley? Drop him?

Hard missing the high ball in the 2010 final? Drop him?

No to all. That is addressed behind the scenes. 

All of those examples weren't the first mistakes that those players will have made. Some balance needs to be applied.

Moore and Child are two of the games better referees. I'm sure they will bounce back better for the experience and I'm confident their error has been addressed properly.

Constantly having a pop at refs will never ever improve the situation 

Like I said previously they make lots of mistakes and don't get dropped, this was a fundamental issue on not understanding the rules - they've not been stopped from doing their job - they've just been put down the pecking order for a week.   I don't see the big issue myself.  I think some are making much more out of a situation than it warrants and getting very angry about it for some reason

 

 

[bigbaldnmad]

I have left many a match cursing the referee, then on looking back at a recording of the match again, they are not far off.

Okay, they got that one wrong... but they get far more right.

[DavidM]

I thought it was pretty staggering , and really I don’t understand how Child who is one of the most senior refs can look at that on video several times and give it the green light . He should have corrected that as per the system , it really wasn’t an interpretation as he intimated , but he didn’t . It was strange. 

[JohnM]

1 hour ago, Angelic Upstart said:

This is a mistake that should never have happened given the experience of the officials out on the field and in the box. We have no idea what was said between the on field officials at the time, but I think Marcus Griffiths is lucky not to be implicated in this farce, arguably he had the best view.

I missed the game. Exactly what is this single frame meant to show, please?

[LeeF]

3 hours ago, Spidey said:

Players are dropped though... there needs to be some accountability for referee's performance

There is plenty of accountability for every referee’s performance.

[LeeF]

1 hour ago, Spidey said:

Like I said previously they make lots of mistakes and don't get dropped, this was a fundamental issue on not understanding the rules - they've not been stopped from doing their job - they've just been put down the pecking order for a week.   I don't see the big issue myself.  I think some are making much more out of a situation than it warrants and getting very angry about it for some reason

 

 

Do they? I don’t think that’s correct

[Spidey]

6 minutes ago, LeeF said:

Do they? I don’t think that’s correct

Everybody makes mistakes in all walks of life. Referees are no different. They miss forward passes for example. That’s fine by me. This was an example of not knowing a rule (or choosing to ignore it). I’m comfortable with the outcome. Mainly because an ex referee is making the calls. They’ve not been sacked or anything so drastic. Simply gone down the pecking order for a week

[LeeF]

3 minutes ago, Spidey said:

Everybody makes mistakes in all walks of life. Referees are no different. They miss forward passes for example. That’s fine by me. This was an example of not knowing a rule (or choosing to ignore it). I’m comfortable with the outcome. Mainly because an ex referee is making the calls. They’ve not been sacked or anything so drastic. Simply gone down the pecking order for a week

You originally posted they make lots of mistakes which is what I queried as it is clearly not the case

I don’t think it was a case of not knowing or choosing to ignore. It was just one of those things which happen usually for reasons unknown. 

[Red Willow]

This isn't a mistake in the heat of the game, such as off sides etc. From reading they failed to know the rules. That is a major flaw for a ref.

[Wellsy4HullFC]

3 hours ago, Eddie said:

I’m glad I don’t get sacked every time I make a mistake at work. 

Who's been sacked?

[JonT]

2 hours ago, Angelic Upstart said:

This is a mistake that should never have happened given the experience of the officials out on the field and in the box. We have no idea what was said between the on field officials at the time, but I think Marcus Griffiths is lucky not to be implicated in this farce, arguably he had the best view.

Am I missing something because that looks like it is touching the line to me. OK, maybe not by much but it's touching.