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Here is a list of players from previous England squads, train-on groups etc. who have not made the England squad.

Can you help me fill in whether these players are out because of fitness (they've been or are injured) or because of form (just not good enough according to Wane)

Not really a thread for debating ins & outs, just info on the names.

Please indulge me as I haven't kept up with SL in 2022 as I might have done.

Ta.

1    Hardaker
2    Evalds
3    Marshall
4    Johnstone
5    Percival
6    Ashton
7    Wardle
8    Newman
9    McGilvery
10    Davies
11    Dodd
12    Lomax
13    Ratchford
14    Widdop
15    Connor
16    Clark
17    McShane
18    Leeming
19    Walmsley
20    Philbin
21    Currie
22    Farrell
23    Hodgson
24    Sutton
25    L Burgess

 

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This is accurate as far as I know.

1    Hardaker - not selected

2    Evalds - injured

3    Marshall - not selected 

4    Johnstone - injured

5    Percival - injured

6    Ashton - not selected

7    Wardle - not selected (Knights)

8    Newman - injured

9    McGilvery - retired from international duty (then injured)

10    Davies - not sure

11    Dodd - injured

12    Lomax - injured

13    Ratchford - not selected 

14    Widdop - retired

15    Connor - not selected 

16    Clark - not selected 

17    McShane - not selected

18    Leeming - not selected

19    Walmsley - injured 

20    Philbin - not sure

21    Currie - not selected

22    Farrell - injured 

23    Hodgson - injured 

24    Sutton - not selected

25    L Burgess - not selected

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9 minutes ago, Bedfordshire Bronco said:

Marshall and Hardaker are the really stupid non selections for me 

I could see the value of Marshall in the squad as he has had a good year.

But why anyone would want to take Zak Hardaker into the camp who has let teams down time and time again I have no idea.

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56 minutes ago, Dunbar said:

This is accurate as far as I know.

1    Hardaker - not selected

2    Evalds - injured

3    Marshall - not selected 

4    Johnstone - injured

5    Percival - injured

6    Ashton - not selected

7    Wardle - not selected (Knights)

8    Newman - injured

9    McGilvery - retired from international duty (then injured)

10    Davies - not sure

11    Dodd - injured

12    Lomax - injured

13    Ratchford - not selected 

14    Widdop - retired

15    Connor - not selected 

16    Clark - not selected 

17    McShane - not selected

18    Leeming - not selected

19    Walmsley - injured 

20    Philbin - not sure

21    Currie - not selected

22    Farrell - injured 

23    Hodgson - injured 

24    Sutton - not selected

25    L Burgess - not selected

I’m hoping Sutton is not just not selected but I guess he is until we know otherwise for definite 

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4 minutes ago, DavidM said:

I’m hoping Sutton is not just not selected but I guess he is until we know otherwise for definite 

I like Sutton and I would probably have had him in ahead of Lees and Cooper but it's not a deal breaker for me.  He has been in and out of the Raiders squad this year so I don't think he is a huge miss.

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1 hour ago, Dunbar said:

 

But why anyone would want to take Zak Hardaker into the camp who has let teams down time and time again I have no idea.

Not aware of him causing issues on camps like England 

He's older, more mature and in amazing form 

Taking Zak would be smart in my view

 

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3 minutes ago, Bedfordshire Bronco said:

Not aware of him causing issues on camps like England 

He's older, more mature and in amazing form 

Taking Zak would be smart in my view

 

He left the England camp mid tournament in 2013.

As for mature.  Afraid He has had far too many second chances for that to ring true.  The best indicator of future behaviour is past behaviour. 

There may (and it is a huge 'may') be some players talented enough that you take a risk on them but Hardaker is not even close.

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Philbin broke his leg mid season.

I can confirm 30+ less sales for Scotland vs Italy at Workington, after this afternoons test purchase for the Tonga match, £7.50 is extremely reasonable, however a £2.50 'delivery' fee for a walk in purchase is beyond taking the mickey, good luck with that, it's cheaper on the telly.

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2 minutes ago, DavidM said:

Do we think Dodd would have been picked in the squad ?

If his form had carried on, or improved, from his season start then yes.

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Topped the try assists charts despite being out for chunks of the season and in a terribly performing Hull team, surely there's room for Jake Connor in the squad even in a "incase of emergency, break glass" capacity? I mean, if a Warrington player can get in the squad...

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1 hour ago, DavidM said:

Do we think Dodd would have been picked in the squad ?

Up to his injury the Saints spine of Welsby, Lomax and Dodd was in great form. Wane was a fan and had him in his training squad. 

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I've been a big fan of Ryan Hall over the years and he's been our best winger at international level in a fair while. However, he's way past his best and has lost a lot of pace so shouldn't be in the squad.

Marshall > Hall but Joe Burgess > both Marshall & Hall.

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13 minutes ago, Jughead said:

Up to his injury the Saints spine of Welsby, Lomax and Dodd was in great form. Wane was a fan and had him in his training squad. 

But for the injury to Dodd and Roby's retirement from internationals, I think you could make a fair case for England just using saints full spine of 1,6,7,9 and 13

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10 hours ago, Bedfordshire Bronco said:

How do you know they don't?

I don’t . Maybe they do and when they get up they do a carry on camping style warm up 

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13 hours ago, DavidM said:

Do we think Dodd would have been picked in the squad ?

In the form he was in then yes. Same with Mikey Lewis who seems to have been forgotten about, he was sensational at times before he got injured.

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14 hours ago, DavidM said:

I wonder why they call international get togethers a ‘ camp ‘ like they all sleep in a field ?

because they all have to enter the John Inman impression competition on the 1st night 

see you later undertaker - in a while necrophile 

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