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Qualification for 2025 World Cups - IRL update on teams and process


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7 minutes ago, gingerjon said:

So the qualifying tournament is in 2024 with the 2023 euro champs being a route to it, but as yet unspecified (unless its covered in the other document).. assume bottom 1 or 2 drop out to be replaced by top of group B (would mean Greece still have a shot).. thena qualifying tournament in 2024.

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1. So for the mens, 9 automatic qualifiers, to be joined by 4 from Europe, 2 from Americas and 1 from the MEA vs Cook Islands Repechage.

2. Womens 8 automatic qualifiers plus 2 Pacific, 4 European, plus 1 more from the Americas and MEA.

3. Wheelchair TBC upon expressions of interest.

Doubling the number of Women's teams seems a lot, but I can see the logic to a certain extent. 

Adding a second guaranteed berth to the Americas in the mens whilst removing 1 from Europe is an interesting step. 

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Seems pretty straightforward in the mens qualifying. I too am unclear why they're adding an Americas place at the likely expense of Greece or Serbia, I suppose it's just a strong desire to see the US back on board, which I can understand. 

My main wish is that even though 5 of the qualifiers won't be known until November 2024, that doesn't hold up the draw and schedule release. 

Use placeholders if needed so we can get tickets on sale 18 months beforehand at the minimum. Preferably more. 

I think a lot of people will want to travel from UK, but to max that we need notice. 

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46 minutes ago, Toby Chopra said:

Seems pretty straightforward in the mens qualifying. I too am unclear why they're adding an Americas place at the likely expense of Greece or Serbia, I suppose it's just a strong desire to see the US back on board, which I can understand. 

My main wish is that even though 5 of the qualifiers won't be known until November 2024, that doesn't hold up the draw and schedule release. 

Use placeholders if needed so we can get tickets on sale 18 months beforehand at the minimum. Preferably more. 

I think a lot of people will want to travel from UK, but to max that we need notice. 

Think it shows how well Jamaica did and the potential future that they could have.. make sure they are in and get another who can call on some expats in the NRL and Super League too in the States. Maybe at the expense of someone who would be losing by more from europe. Also possibly puts pressure on the likes of Scotland to get themselves in gear as I wouldnt bet much on them to beat Italy and Greece etc at the moment!

The Africa one they do get the chance as long as they beat the Cook Islands, dont have a massive issue in that in the present qualification process as with the 8 QFs and France qualifying you would just be saying the Cook Islands cannot qualify otherwise or taking another place off Europe. Their fault for this QF rule TBH otherwise it would be easier to say 2 straight from MEA and the loser in the Oceana group doesnt qualify. 

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I suppose it’s a money saver having all qf’s immediately qualify. 
 

i think moving forward it should be

pacific berths 6

european perths 6

america berths 2

mea berths 2 

I don’t like repackage. What I would do is have the repechage in the middle or nrl season so that they can’t access their cook island players. That will help South Africa compete abit better. But all likely Cook Islands make it again. 

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44 minutes ago, ShropshireBull said:

Happy to see another America team over NRL’s f team from Europe. Same reason that I want to lock in African team. More teams with no allegiance or dependency on NRL the better.

Sadly I don't think that is what you will get.

This will most likely mean Greece, Czechia and Serbia aren't making it whilst Scotland and Italy continue to do so.

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1 hour ago, Young Blood said:

0 chance any African team beating Cook Islands if they have a close to full team. Love to see 20 teams I know it will be one sided games but goal is for nations who make world cup get recongtion and more funding 

Think it's probably going to be Nigeria Vs Cook Islands. Nigeria could pull together quite a strong side but probably not as strong as Cook Islands.

Would be great if Nigeria could qualify 

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26 minutes ago, Tommygilf said:

Sadly I don't think that is what you will get.

This will most likely mean Greece, Czechia and Serbia aren't making it whilst Scotland and Italy continue to do so.

Yes but NRL don´t hold sway over Nigeria or Americas and that would at least guarantee some more geopgraigcal spread not dependent on NRL. Would love to see us do the qualifiers in the summer just to cripple all the countries dependent on the NRL.

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4 minutes ago, ShropshireBull said:

Yes but NRL don´t hold sway over Nigeria or Americas and that would at least guarantee some more geopgraigcal spread not dependent on NRL. Would love to see us do the qualifiers in the summer just to cripple all the countries dependent on the NRL.

What possible benefit would that have?

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7 minutes ago, Tommygilf said:

What possible benefit would that have?

Not sure which question you are related to. To the first, In the long term more games against teams that can´t be prevented or hijacked by the NRL. More teams for England to play for TV . 

For the second WCQ in summer , it means no Australian based players will be ablt to be used against nations like Greece and Serbia , to advantage them. So countries that develope players will have a greater chance of world cups and countries dependent on Australia´s z list won´t. 

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14 minutes ago, ShropshireBull said:

For the second WCQ in summer , it means no Australian based players will be ablt to be used against nations like Greece and Serbia , to advantage them. So countries that develope players will have a greater chance of world cups and countries dependent on Australia´s z list won´t. 

Literally the only side affected by that in the way you want it to affect them is Italy. They had 14 Australia/NZ based players in their World Cup Squad, Scotland and Ireland had 5 each, Wales had 3.

Greece for their part had 15 Australian/NZ based players in their World Cup squad. They also had several in their crucial European Repechage game against Serbia that ultimately lead to their 2021 qualification.

Baby being thrown out with the bathwater it seems.

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3 hours ago, Tommygilf said:

Sadly I don't think that is what you will get.

This will most likely mean Greece, Czechia and Serbia aren't making it whilst Scotland and Italy continue to do so.

Think I would have preferred 2nd in Americas vs a European team for the final WC spot

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9 hours ago, Mumby Magic said:

This is why only a couple of teams should automatically qualify. Cook Islands to play..... Ermmmm.... Errr.   Someone please. Someone tell me why a quarter finalist should automatically qualify for the next world cup?

It’s poor. I would be looking to play an Asia-Pacific Cup the year after a World Cup, 8 teams including Lebanon and the Cook Islands. 5 qualify from this, leaving 3 and 1 more (Philippines? Vanuatu? Japan? From an additional tournament) to battle it in proper World Cup Qualifiers the year after.

The Cook Islands are always the after-thought in the Pacific and giving them just one solitary game to qualify isn’t helping their cause nor helping Africas cause. 

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9 hours ago, RP London said:

So the qualifying tournament is in 2024 with the 2023 euro champs being a route to it, but as yet unspecified (unless its covered in the other document).. assume bottom 1 or 2 drop out to be replaced by top of group B (would mean Greece still have a shot).. thena qualifying tournament in 2024.

6 nations from Euro Championship and top 2 from Euro Championship B I would like to see - 2 groups of 4 to ensure additional fixtures 

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It would a shame if the Cook Islands got in again just by beating an African team.

I went to see the Cooks in Middlesbrough, and frankly, they were a disgrace. I'd sooner see an African nation like Nigeria, even if they ended up getting hammered (which is what happened to the Cook Islands, anyway)

Africa looks like fertile ground to develop - they should have a  guaranteed spot. I think Nigeria or Ghana would bring just as much as a made-up team like Scotland.

 

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3 hours ago, Tommygilf said:

Literally the only side affected by that in the way you want it to affect them is Italy. They had 14 Australia/NZ based players in their World Cup Squad, Scotland and Ireland had 5 each, Wales had 3.

Greece for their part had 15 Australian/NZ based players in their World Cup squad. They also had several in their crucial European Repechage game against Serbia that ultimately lead to their 2021 qualification.

Baby being thrown out with the bathwater it seems.

Not really, we don´t want any nation to be incentivised or rewarded for relying on Aussies so Serbia instead of Italy would be a huge boost. Or Italy qualifiying with Italians would be a huge boost. 

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31 minutes ago, ShropshireBull said:

Not really, we don´t want any nation to be incentivised or rewarded for relying on Aussies so Serbia instead of Italy would be a huge boost. Or Italy qualifiying with Italians would be a huge boost. 

There are only 2 professional leagues in the whole world, why wouldn't we want international players coming from the best of them?

Fwiw, Serbia would draw on as many NRL related players as possible too.

The key is establishing pathways and consistency in the international calendar, not binning off a source of playing talent because you don't like it. 

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3 hours ago, Tommygilf said:

There are only 2 professional leagues in the whole world, why wouldn't we want international players coming from the best of them?

Fwiw, Serbia would draw on as many NRL related players as possible too.

The key is establishing pathways and consistency in the international calendar, not binning off a source of playing talent because you don't like it. 

Because if you don’t incentivize countries to create their own pathways they never will. If you eliminate the ability of nations to import they have no choice but to grow.

Second from a NHRL viewpoint, there is zero benefit in strengthening the hand of NRL.

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