Fri 22nd Sept: SL: Leigh Leopards v Wigan Warriors KO 20:00 (Sky)

[Padge]

1 minute ago, High Peak Rhino said:

and there was no obstruction

What you on about, I never mentioned that incident, I was pointing out you can't have a little obstruction, it is or it isn't.

[17 stone giant]

Not sure I like the rule about getting a drop out when you've done last ditch defending like that. It put Leigh right back to the half way line. It feels like you shouldn't be able to get as free from pressure so easily.

[Damien]

5 minutes ago, Dave T said:

Agreed. The on field decision just isn't needed in the slightest. 

I personally don't mind the on field decision call and there was plenty of controversy when we didn't have it with accusations of referees bottling it and video refs being forced to guess on decisions with a worse angle than the on field ref had. All personal preference but there have certainly been issues with both ways of doing it.

Edited September 22, 2023 by Damien

[Dave T]

It's a hell of a game this. Leigh will be gutted if this ends up seeing them drop to 5th.

[Futtocks]

It's all going on with the various scores! Trying to keep track of the live ladder is making my brain hurt.

https://www.flashscore.com/rugby-league/

[andyscoot]

Can Sky move the crowd microphone, please and thanks

[Mapleyther]

The sad thing is all this publicity about the final round and people tune in and see how utterly inept the officials are.

[Gooleboy]

Leigh seem to be on the wrong side of a few iffy decisions.

[Dave T]

Just now, Damien said:

I personally don't mind the on field decision call and there was plenty of controversy when we didn't have it with accusations of referees bottling it and video refs being forced to guess on decisions with a worse angle than tge on field ref had. All personal preference but there have certainly been issues with both ways of doing it.

Refs call was the solution imo, they had it in year 1. 

 

[DavidM]

Just now, andyscoot said:

Can Sky move the crowd microphone, please and thanks

The woman shouting come on leigh is having a good time

[bobbruce]

1 minute ago, Dave T said:

We managed for years without it. It hasn't cleared anythibg up, it's caused far more controversy than any benefit. 

No we had the awful moment were we went from the VR saying he couldn’t decide and it going back to the ref. Off topic a bit here but personally I’d go with the NRL version ref makes the decision then the VR has a quick look to find anything before the goal kick or play restarts. 

[Mark S]

Charnley is having a proper moan in this game. 

[Dave T]

1 minute ago, Futtocks said:

It's all going on with the various scores! Trying to keep track of the live ladder is making my brain hurt.

https://www.flashscore.com/rugby-league/

It's a shame it's not quite as slick on Sky (or the SL Twitter feed) as it should be. Long gaps without knowing that there have been scores elsewhere. 

[Damien]

Just now, Dave T said:

Refs call was the solution imo, they had it in year 1. 

 

But it was just the same thing, video refs just sent it back down.

[Dave T]

Just now, Damien said:

But it was just the same thing, video refs just sent it back down.

It really wasn't. In the old system the VR just watches it and makes a decision. A very, very small number were sent down in cases where the ball was not seen etc. Tries like the disallowed obstruction one would never ever have been sent back. 

Now the VR has to actively prove the ref wrong, instead of just looking at what he sees. 

[Dave T]

Leigh down to 5th!

[High Peak Rhino]

7 minutes ago, Padge said:

What you on about, I never mentioned that incident, I was pointing out you can't have a little obstruction, it is or it isn't.

and it wasn't and you wouldn't have brought it up without the controversy...

[Padge]

5 minutes ago, Mapleyther said:

The sad thing is all this publicity about the final round and people tune in and see how utterly inept the officials are.

They don't though, the majority don't know what an obstruction is. 

[Man of Kent]

6 minutes ago, Padge said:

What you on about, I never mentioned that incident, I was pointing out you can't have a little obstruction, it is or it isn't.

Wasn’t the VR trying to ascertain whether the contact was “flush” and ended up giving the try after being unable to find conclusive evidence either way?

[Futtocks]

2 minutes ago, Dave T said:

Leigh down to 5th!

KR piling on the points now.

[Damien]

1 minute ago, Dave T said:

It really wasn't. In the old system the VR just watches it and makes a decision. A very, very small number were sent down in cases where the ball was not seen etc. Tries like the disallowed obstruction one would never ever have been sent back. 

Now the VR has to actively prove the ref wrong, instead of just looking at what he sees. 

I think it was. As I said it boils down to personal opinion. Every system we have had has had faults and none have been perfect.

I personally think the real failings come from the poor way we implement these things and the poor standards we have in SL all round. The whole process, clarity and application of rules is street's away from the NRL.

[Dave T]

1 minute ago, Padge said:

They don't though, the majority don't know what an obstruction is. 

Also, it's sport - most people are well aware that there is controversy (or not depending on your stance). 

We can have bad decisions and talk about them, debate them without it being a disaster. It's part of the fun of sport. 

[17 stone giant]

Is Gareth O'Brien English? He did well there and also under the high ball earlier.

[Padge]

Just now, Man of Kent said:

Wasn’t the VR trying to ascertain whether the contact was “flush” and ended up giving the try after being unable to find conclusive evidence either way?

My comment was not about that, it was a response to another comment.

[Futtocks]

Just now, Damien said:

I think it was. As I said it boils down to personal opinion. Every system we have had has had faults and none have been perfect.

I personally think the real failings come from the poor way we implement these things and the poor standards we have in SL all round. The whole process, clarity and application of rules is street's away from the NRL.

Have you seen the hyperbolic whingeing from NRL fans on social media at every decision, even ones that are clearly and provably direct?