Beaumont has another tantrum, threatens to stop investing in Leigh

[Dunbar]

2 minutes ago, GUBRATS said:

As I said at the start Derek does what Derek does , what might potentially be in his thoughts like mine is that we are in a unique position right now with one trophy in the cabinet and a team capable of catching the other , we might never ever be in this position again , as is often shown building long term success requires more than money and an outstanding recruitment of players , this season might just have been ' ours ' , I truly believed a win on Friday would have resulted in us making OT , that chance has severely diminished , so I feel his frustration , still doesn't make what he said right , but it's done now 

So you are happy with him saying he will pull out of Super League, and possibly start a rival competition, if the RFL keep appointing referees who give decisions against Leigh.

[Jim Prendle]

2 minutes ago, GUBRATS said:

As I said at the start Derek does what Derek does , what might potentially be in his thoughts like mine is that we are in a unique position right now with one trophy in the cabinet and a team capable of catching the other , we might never ever be in this position again , as is often shown building long term success requires more than money and an outstanding recruitment of players , this season might just have been ' ours ' , I truly believed a win on Friday would have resulted in us making OT , that chance has severely diminished , so I feel his frustration , still doesn't make what he said right , but it's done now 

A team capable of making the GF should be able to win against any of the opponents whether at home or away.

If Leigh are that dependant upon playing at home then they are clearly not capable of reaching, or winning, a GF.

[Jim Prendle]

Just now, Dunbar said:

So you are happy with him saying he will pull out of Super League, and possibly start a rival competition, if the RFL keep appointing referees who give decisions against Leigh.

Of course he is. They obviously want everything in their favour as evidenced by the fact that an away game in the finals has completely blown their chances.

[Jinking Jimmy]

1 hour ago, Harry Stottle said:

Ate you implying that for 52 mins since their last score Wigan were quite happy that they had scored enough points to win the game, and so they did not try to score again?

If the “try” had been awarded Wigan would have re-started the game from the half-way line. Henceforth anything could have happened; eg a Leigh knock-on near their line, a missed tackle. You need to go back to your parallel universe, stop complaining and enjoy life there.

[Jim Prendle]

5 minutes ago, Jinking Jimmy said:

If the “try” had been awarded Wigan would have re-started the game from the half-way line. Henceforth anything could have happened; eg a Leigh knock-on near their line, a missed tackle. You need to go back to your parallel universe, stop complaining and enjoy life there.

Or, as most other teams would attempt to do, stop moaning, go and beat HKR and then, most likely get another crack at the great Satan from the other side of the borough.

[daz39]

1 hour ago, Hull Kingston Bronco said:

We're not talking about the result of a knock-out match. It's about 4th place in a league of 27 rounds. If you get to go back 20 minutes before the end of match 27 and say "the world would have been different from here if something else had happened", then it's equally valid to go back to any other moment in the prior months. There were 20 mins to go, who knows what might have happened? Just like if something had happened differently in a game 2 weeks earlier, who knows what would have happened in the (longer) time left in the season after that point. 

It's like that Sliding Doors movie eh, the future is uncertain after a fork in the road. It's just as likely Wigan would have still won. In fact, going on form, it is still much more likely Wigan would have won than Leigh.

None of which matters. Refs calls are part of the game. I've no issue with fans losing their marbles, we all do. My original point was I wouldn't want to support a club where the owner implies he's going to walk away and leave it in the lurch, just because something went the wrong way for him. He's disrespecting you too mate.

 

You mean like Leigh fans claiming they WOULD have won anyway if the lights had have stayed on against Huddersfield who had pulledback and were in ascendency? 

What if's Leigh fans, what if's.....

[GUBRATS]

18 minutes ago, Dunbar said:

So you are happy with him saying he will pull out of Super League, and possibly start a rival competition, if the RFL keep appointing referees who give decisions against Leigh.

Derek can do whatever he likes with my best wishes 

[daz39]

It won't be long before a certain Leopard lover starts name calling and getting personal then the thread gets locked, that's how these discussions about Mr Beaumont and his lot usually go isn't it?

I hope this one is left open to discuss rather than locked cos 1 person can't handle critisicm of his god.

[GUBRATS]

19 minutes ago, Jim Prendle said:

A team capable of making the GF should be able to win against any of the opponents whether at home or away.

If Leigh are that dependant upon playing at home then they are clearly not capable of reaching, or winning, a GF.

Indeed , as our mid season run showed , we had the best away form in SL at that time , personally 2 consequative away games against the competitions most in form teams will be too much for us , playing away at some grounds can prove to be too much for some teams as Wigan found out at Belle View and Wheldon rd this year , it's my opinion , plain and simple 

[GUBRATS]

2 minutes ago, daz39 said:

It won't be long before a certain Leopard lover starts name calling and getting personal then the thread gets locked, that's how these discussions about Mr Beaumont and his lot usually go isn't it?

I hope this one is left open to discuss rather than locked cos 1 person can't handle critisicm of his god.

Probably depends if somebody decides to ' report ' rather than debate , no name calling at all got me banned last time , or in fact any personal comments , some do go ' fishing ' for them though , rather sad if you ask me

[WN83]

58 minutes ago, ELBOWSEYE said:

I am not a Leigh supporter but there's a few clubs would love him to fund their clubs.

Without doubt and what he’s done for Leigh this season has been great and it’s brought him the sort of exposure he seems to crave. That’s a reward people can live with him getting because the more the merrier when it comes to people with money investing in the sport and showing ambition. It’s just a shame he’s taken a bit of gloss off all the positive things he’s done this season. 

[fighting irish]

6 hours ago, Tommygilf said:

On this, my honest reaction is so what?

What is more important to the vast majority of people watching that game, Lam's reaction or the Wigan team lifting 1 of the 3 pieces of silverware on offer this season? Post match reactions are nice, but if there is a more important thing going on Sky Sports will focus on that. They do it all the time in all sports.

DB has acted like a big baby in response to a loss. Course its frustrating for him, its very annoying I'm sure, but as a Chairman you react like that in private imo, then come forward with a more controlled message for the public.

What makes you think I disagree with you?

[GUBRATS]

27 minutes ago, Jim Prendle said:

Of course he is. They obviously want everything in their favour as evidenced by the fact that an away game in the finals has completely blown their chances.

Not blown , but severely diminished IMO , NCP will be a bear pit on Friday as it was a few weeks ago , we can win , but it is less likely than if the game had been at the LSV IMO , apologies for having one 

[ELBOWSEYE]

4 minutes ago, WN83 said:

Without doubt and what he’s done for Leigh this season has been great and it’s brought him the sort of exposure he seems to crave. That’s a reward people can live with him getting because the more the merrier when it comes to people with money investing in the sport and showing ambition. It’s just a shame he’s taken a bit of gloss off all the positive things he’s done this season. 

Good balanced view.

[GUBRATS]

24 minutes ago, Jinking Jimmy said:

If the “try” had been awarded Wigan would have re-started the game from the half-way line. Henceforth anything could have happened; eg a Leigh knock-on near their line, a missed tackle. You need to go back to your parallel universe, stop complaining and enjoy life there.

Yes , but it would have started with Leigh level , or more likely leading , so Wigan could have knocked on , missed a tackle , or indeed s order 3 more trys ? , nobody knows , but it's better to be leading than losing , isn't it ? 

[GUBRATS]

14 minutes ago, daz39 said:

You mean like Leigh fans claiming they WOULD have won anyway if the lights had have stayed on against Huddersfield who had pulledback and were in ascendency? 

What if's Leigh fans, what if's.....

You were losing at the time , and we had the ball near your line , you might well have gone on to score and win , or maybe not 

In cricket , if it starts raining during a test match , do they restart it the following day ? 

In Tennis if it starts raining , do they restart it the following day ? 

In Golf if a thunderstorm hits , do they all restart the following day ? 

No , they all continue from the point they had to stop , this is exactly what happened in this scenario 

[Tommygilf]

11 minutes ago, fighting irish said:

What makes you think I disagree with you?

I don't believe I said you did?

[fighting irish]

6 hours ago, Anita Bath said:

Objective, unequivocal faultless refereeing…..wow…..we cannot leave it to human beings then.

Whatever next…Objective, unequivocal faultless management, coaching and player performances.

Id be careful with any offers of South African investments. I get those e mails too. I hope he hasnt given them his password and PIN number.

I think we'd all prefer that match results were decided by the players, who have been coached to perform well by their coaches, rather than having games decided by some subjective opinion.

I think the system we have is probably as good as it can be, most of the time but of course it's not perfect.

In a higher scoring, or perhaps more one-sided game, it wouldn't have been a crucial matter and therefore, more easily accepted as ''part of the game''.

When so much is at stake, and the very unlikely occurrence (of human frailty) occurs, resulting in the spoils being awarded to the wrong team, it just amplifies the upset.

It's at times like this, when the fallibility of the system becomes glaringly obvious and causes so much upset to those invested in the outcome.

I think we can leave it to human beings most of the time, but it's clear there are occasions when they are just not good enough. Up to now, we don't have any alternatives. 

[gingerjon]

18 minutes ago, GUBRATS said:

You were losing at the time , and we had the ball near your line , you might well have gone on to score and win , or maybe not 

In cricket , if it starts raining during a test match , do they restart it the following day ? 

In Tennis if it starts raining , do they restart it the following day ? 

In Golf if a thunderstorm hits , do they all restart the following day ? 

No , they all continue from the point they had to stop , this is exactly what happened in this scenario 

Well done for not using soccer there.

[Jinking Jimmy]

33 minutes ago, GUBRATS said:

Yes , but it would have started with Leigh level , or more likely leading , so Wigan could have knocked on , missed a tackle , or indeed s order 3 more trys ? , nobody knows , but it's better to be leading than losing , isn't it ? 

Of course anything could have happened and either side could have won the game especially given that there were about 20 minutes left. HS just claims that had the “try” been allowed Leigh would have won and because it wasn’t they were robbed. As you say it’s better to be leading than losing but many games have been won by teams that were behind on the scoreboard eg Wigan in last season’s CCF with 3 minutes left.

 

 

Edited September 27, 2023 by Jinking Jimmy

[Tommygilf]

7 minutes ago, gingerjon said:

Well done for not using soccer there.

Or any other game that isn't regularly over more than 1 day

[GUBRATS]

3 minutes ago, gingerjon said:

Well done for not using soccer there.

In football the time constraints are much less than RL , they can and do play 3 games in 6/7/8 days , not really possible in RL , especially at the end of the season , but if you feel they should have replayed the whole game again on the Monday as Mr Watson requested that's fine , we'll have to agree to disagree 

Interesting ATM with Mr Guardiola's upset that they can't fly home from Newcastle tonight and it might cost them their Premier title , and why they need to travel on Friday to play Wolverhampton at 3 pm on Saturday when it's only 70 miles from Manchester god only knows ?

[Tommygilf]

8 minutes ago, GUBRATS said:

In football the time constraints are much less than RL , they can and do play 3 games in 6/7/8 days , not really possible in RL , especially at the end of the season , but if you feel they should have replayed the whole game again on the Monday as Mr Watson requested that's fine , we'll have to agree to disagree 

Interesting ATM with Mr Guardiola's upset that they can't fly home from Newcastle tonight and it might cost them their Premier title , and why they need to travel on Friday to play Wolverhampton at 3 pm on Saturday when it's only 70 miles from Manchester god only knows ?

Maybe that attention to detail and planning how they spend their time and money is part of why they have won 5 out of the last 6 titles, 6 of the past 10 League Cups, 2 FA cups and the Champions League... 

[Dunbar]

20 minutes ago, GUBRATS said:

Interesting ATM with Mr Guardiola's upset that they can't fly home from Newcastle tonight and it might cost them their Premier title , and why they need to travel on Friday to play Wolverhampton at 3 pm on Saturday when it's only 70 miles from Manchester god only knows ?

As a (former?) board member of a professional sports organisation, I would have thought you would find positives in this attention to detail when striving for success rather than laughing at it.

[Snowys Backside]

No one knows how the game would have ended if the try was given or not but let's move on. 

HKR deserved favourites but the pressures firmly on them now. 

Leigh have probably just as good a chance of winning as they would have at the LSV. 

I think there will be needle and some silly play, and a couple of yellows or a Red would not surprise me. 

Stroll on Friday!