IMG Grading System (Many Merged Threads)

[Griff]

12 hours ago, gingerjon said:

The scoring doesn't allow for results before the end of the season and I think on-field performance has to play a part so there are good reasons even if it does lead to some issues.

Well, you either want to include all results right up to the last minute or you want to give a promoted club a decent opportunity to recruit some playing staff.

It's one or the other.

[Worzel]

2 minutes ago, Harry Stottle said:

An hour or so to go, may I take this moment to thank all those who have assisted me in whiling away the hours on this subject, I have been totally honest in my take in what I believe IMG's system will do - or to be more to the point what it won't do - for the game as a whole.

Anyone who knows me personally will tell you that given an opportunity of a door being slightly ajar I will push it open all the way, and over this thread I have been given the opportunity many times to bait up and dangle the hook in the water, the number of bites - and there are those far more hungry than others - I have recieved would do any trawler man justice, thanks again fellers till next time

Surely this is a first? A thread so long that participants even make thank you speeches at the end of it, like some sort of end-of-thread awards show

Personally I’d like to pay tribute to my Mum and Dad, for bringing me into the world, and Our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ for inventing this fine game of rugby league. Just the day after that bread and fishes thing he did, I think. 

[Griff]

9 minutes ago, Harry Stottle said:

Anyone who knows me personally will tell you that given an opportunity of a door being slightly ajar I will push it open all the way...

Your fuel bills must be enormous.

[gingerjon]

5 minutes ago, Griff said:

Well, you either want to include all results right up to the last minute or you want to give a promoted club a decent opportunity to recruit some playing staff.

It's one or the other.

Then I'm happy with on field performance needing to be included and part of the strength the to-be-promoted club is showing is in their current set-up including their squad.

[gingerjon]

6 minutes ago, Worzel said:

Surely this is a first? A thread so long that participants even make thank you speeches at the end of it, like some sort of end-of-thread awards show

Personally I’d like to pay tribute to my Mum and Dad, for bringing me into the world, and Our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ for inventing this fine game of rugby league. Just the day after that bread and fishes thing he did, I think. 

And some of us are not quite the people we were when we started on this journey.

[Harry Stottle]

1 minute ago, gingerjon said:

And some of us are not quite the people we were when we started on this journey.

Phew!

That's food for thought.

[Damien]

2 minutes ago, gingerjon said:

And some of us are not quite the people we were when we started on this journey.

And some have transformed into a completely different user. Others have done so several times 

[Griff]

5 minutes ago, gingerjon said:

Then I'm happy with on field performance needing to be included and part of the strength the to-be-promoted club is showing is in their current set-up including their squad.

You may be happy but is the promoted club, saddled with an impossible task?

One of the main reasons for yo-yo clubs is an inability to recruit timeously.

[sentoffagain2]

4 minutes ago, Griff said:

You may be happy but is the promoted club, saddled with an impossible task?

One of the main reasons for yo-yo clubs is an inability to recruit timeously.

  Agree that is why i have always said the promoted Championship club should have exemption from relegation the first season.That would give time to sign players instead of picking the ones out of contract that other SL clubs don't want.

[Damien]

24 minutes ago, Harry Stottle said:

An hour or so to go, may I take this moment to thank all those who have assisted me in whiling away the hours on this subject, I have been totally honest in my take in what I believe IMG's system will do - or to be more to the point what it won't do - for the game as a whole.

Anyone who knows me personally will tell you that given an opportunity of a door being slightly ajar I will push it open all the way, and over this thread I have been given the opportunity many times to bait up and dangle the hook in the water, the number of bites - and there are those far more hungry than others - I have recieved would do any trawler man justice, thanks again fellers till next time

I think most will find the joke is on you when you post on a thread 812 times and hundreds of times more than the next closest person.

[Dave T]

57 minutes ago, RP London said:

Yes I thought it was impossible to get a Grade A without them

- Grade A & B to have a Talent and Performance Pathway that is approved annually by the RFL.

- Grade A Talent & Performance Pathway must include a Women’s team in accordance with the Participation Agreement for the level within which it plays.

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Non-compliance results in i] a grading points deduction of 0.25 for the first year of non-compliance, ii] a grading points deduction of 0.5 following the second year of non-compliance and iii] downgrading to the grade otherwise achieved by one level i.e. from A to B for all subsequent years in which this is not achieved.

So it would appear to get quite strict at year 3. Although if you score 17pts and are forced down to Grade B, I'm not sure where that puts you in the ranking. The whole Grade A and Grade B thing is weird.

[Dave T]

57 minutes ago, JonM said:

True, but that is merely a tickbox to say that those things exist. There's no measure of how well they perform. There's a world of difference between say Leeds or St. Helens womens teams who're paying players, drawing crowds and winning titles vs say Hull FC who played in League 1 this season. How to give the message that it isn't really a serious thing? Likewise, Salford Academy vs say Warrington or Wigan.

I don't disagree - however Grading can't micro-manage everything here. 

[gingerjon]

21 minutes ago, Griff said:

You may be happy but is the promoted club, saddled with an impossible task?

That's why, under this system, you have to be equally strong, or stronger, than the club you are replacing.

[RP London]

4 minutes ago, Dave T said:

- Grade A & B to have a Talent and Performance Pathway that is approved annually by the RFL.

- Grade A Talent & Performance Pathway must include a Women’s team in accordance with the Participation Agreement for the level within which it plays.

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Non-compliance results in i] a grading points deduction of 0.25 for the first year of non-compliance, ii] a grading points deduction of 0.5 following the second year of non-compliance and iii] downgrading to the grade otherwise achieved by one level i.e. from A to B for all subsequent years in which this is not achieved.

So it would appear to get quite strict at year 3. Although if you score 17pts and are forced down to Grade B, I'm not sure where that puts you in the ranking. The whole Grade A and Grade B thing is weird.

ah ok so my recollection was partly right.. I get giving people some time to prepare it as they get better as these things cannot just be dropped in. 

[Dave T]

40 minutes ago, Worzel said:

Agreed on all 3, well with the slight proviso that I’d only fix A-grade for 3 years (they’ve earned that certainty) but the others would still be annual to incentivise improvement and/or make clubs rapidly accountable for non-improvement. 

It felt like they were heading down that route with Grade A's - I believe that the annual review was only for B's initially, but this was an early amend, which basically made A's and B's mean very little.

[gingerjon]

TEN MINUTES TO GO

[Dave T]

2 minutes ago, RP London said:

ah ok so my recollection was partly right.. I get giving people some time to prepare it as they get better as these things cannot just be dropped in. 

I'm not sure whether the drop from an A to a B is toothless though. It probably only becomes effective if you have a ful SL of Grade A's. 

But yes, you're right, you can breach and remain strong enough to stay in SL.

[RP London]

53 minutes ago, phiggins said:

Reduced standards, monitoring of standards, all means nothing given the standards were never enforced, either through licensing or going back to framing the future or whatever it was called.

Had we just agreed to properly enfoce the standards now, we'd probably have the same result, with far less hassle and more focus on the field. We could even be talking more about the upcoming international now.

Indeed and I totally agree with you, but we didnt, and therefore we need to start again.. its RL all over we give up on things before they had a chance to work. Its like the international discussions when its about "xyz isn't strong enough to play" well no but if you don't give them games they never will either and the "start point" just gets pushed further and further away. Its one of the things that gives me a little more confidence with the IMG system is that they have a 12 year agreement therefore fingers crossed they get to implement it starting with this and then moving forward.. rather than 2 years it not giving you the world at your feet and a £55b tv deal so you scrap it to then do the same thing 3 years later and repeat. 

[redjonn]

are the club who gets the top grade doing an open top tour of the city ...

[MattSantos]

How is the announcement made?

I've cleared my calendar

[gingerjon]

Just now, MattSantos said:

How is the announcement made?

I've cleared my calendar

That's good because it's being made through your Outlook.

[Harry Stottle]

22 minutes ago, Damien said:

I think most will find the joke is on you when you post on a thread 812 times and hundreds of times more than the next closest person.

Read what I said and take it in, but you still reply, he haw.

[Gerrumonside ref]

And the winners are…

[gingerjon]

[Chrispmartha]

1 minute ago, Harry Stottle said:

Read what I said and take it in, but you still reply, he haw.

Didn’t your post say you have always been honest but then go on to admit you've just been on one big trolling mission?