IMG Grading System (Many Merged Threads)

[Harry Stottle]

42 minutes ago, Click said:

That's kind of the point he was making.

What is Click? That the 3,000 who don't Click are nonconformists?

I am on the mailing list from my club, that us all the info I require and need.

Edited October 17, 2024 by Harry Stottle

[The 4 of Us]

34 minutes ago, binosh said:

Every year this thread comes around regarding Toulouse, as yet not one person can quantify 1 actual genuine reason why they should be “parachuted” into SL

If they earn their place by spending, performing and scoring enough via IMG then fair enough but going off their last outing in SL and their season so far in the championship for a FT team then I won’t be holding my breathe.

All this nonsense about being in Europe and a City is just desperation by Houles and is completely irrelevant.

This probably for a whole different thread but it appears to have been the case for a very long time that the game as a whole is held back the limited international presence and perhaps hasn’t had the profile of 30 years or so ago, when SL came into existence, and was able to attract the deal it did at that point. 

France for various reasons are not able to go it alone, although I appreciate that there are attempts to get a pro comp going there again.

If we care at all about growing as a sport then the international game has to be an important element of it, and not just 4 yearly contests against Australia and New Zealand.

The NRL continues to be criticised about its commitment to the international scene, but it’s no accident that the game in NZ, Fiji, PNG, Samoa, Tonga and the rest has grown in profile through the players of those countries appearing in the NRL.

Most SL clubs apart from the Dragons have now had one or two France players in their ranks at some point, and even signed one or two younger players into academies, which is solely as a result of the exposure those players have had via the Dragons in SL.

Adding Toulouse will add another player pathway for French youngsters to see and enjoy the game, and hopefully play it, not only with Toulouse but other SL clubs as well, and contribute to the French national team in time, ergo giving the English team a challenge. There’s plenty of good young French teams at juniors ages that are just lost to the game as a result of lack of pathways.

And yes, same argument for London, but with the benefit of the English game and team. A whole diffident audience of kids playing and enjoying the sport.

There was a list shared recently of the origin of SL players and London was well into the top half, despite their yo-yo existence. 

If we build it…..

 

 

 

[Chrispmartha]

6 minutes ago, Harry Stottle said:

Christopher I did not say anybody has said that in respect of your first sentance, I am asking the question of you. Read back what I said instead of putting your own version on it. Non sequitur and strawman really, you are not addressing one of your employees.

Whether I think digital marketing is pointless or not is not the issue, again if one does not partake of it, what of it, oh that's right IMG will not give your club any points FFS.

It’s a ridiculous question Harry, because the answer is obvious.

And then you compound it again in your second paragraph above.

Digital Marketing in modern sport is really important, that doesn’t mean someone who doesn’t look at is less of a fan, it just means you’re a different demographic of fan, and we need to appeal to all demographics, I’m not sure why that needs pointing out to you.

[Harry Stottle]

58 minutes ago, The Blues Ox said:

What day is it? Not on Sky? If not that must be the first time in years the final has not been televised. Up until this post I genuinely had no idea when the game was been played.

 

56 minutes ago, sam4731 said:

That's what turning into a meaningless game does.

Obviously not on RL Comm and IMG's specific list of requirements when they negotiated this present TV contract with Sky.

[Chrispmartha]

11 minutes ago, Harry Stottle said:

What is Click? That the 3,000 who don't Click are nonconformists?

I am on the mailing list from my club, that us all the info I require and need.

Can you watch interviews, trys, match action or Special features on an email?

[Gooleboy]

24 minutes ago, Harry Stottle said:

 

Obviously not on RL Comm and IMG's specific list of requirements when they negotiated this present TV contract with Sky.

Must have slipped their minds! 

[RigbyLuger]

IMG can't magic up TV deals for the second tier of a minor sport. They're not miracle workers. The clubs were right to turn down Viaplay, but should have been more proactive in streaming their own games. Plenty of other sports in this country manage it, and charge.

[Gooleboy]

6 hours ago, Forever Trinity said:

12 tickets sold by Toulouse for a grand final is pathetic to say the least. The Bulls took quite a few fans to Toulouse for the semi with a weeks notice for travel, if Toulouse want to be in SL then at least get up for a final where points are at stake and support your team.

Which part of the ground have they been allocated?

[binosh]

13 minutes ago, The 4 of Us said:

This probably for a whole different thread but it appears to have been the case for a very long time that the game as a whole is held back the limited international presence and perhaps hasn’t had the profile of 30 years or so ago, when SL came into existence, and was able to attract the deal it did at that point. 

France for various reasons are not able to go it alone, although I appreciate that there are attempts to get a pro comp going there again.

If we care at all about growing as a sport then the international game has to be an important element of it, and not just 4 yearly contests against Australia and New Zealand.

The NRL continues to be criticised about its commitment to the international scene, but it’s no accident that the game in NZ, Fiji, PNG, Samoa, Tonga and the rest has grown in profile through the players of those countries appearing in the NRL.

Most SL clubs apart from the Dragons have now had one or two France players in their ranks at some point, and even signed one or two younger players into academies, which is solely as a result of the exposure those players have had via the Dragons in SL.

Adding Toulouse will add another player pathway for French youngsters to see and enjoy the game, and hopefully play it, not only with Toulouse but other SL clubs as well, and contribute to the French national team in time, ergo giving the English team a challenge. There’s plenty of good young French teams at juniors ages that are just lost to the game as a result of lack of pathways.

And yes, same argument for London, but with the benefit of the English game and team. A whole diffident audience of kids playing and enjoying the sport.

There was a list shared recently of the origin of SL players and London was well into the top half, despite their yo-yo existence. 

If we build it…..

 

 

 

Whilst I don’t disagree with anything you say we cannot keep comparing ourselves to the NRL. We need to focus on our own game and grow that financially, the NRL is awash with money and still growing but our income is contracting and has reduced nearly 50% in the last 15 years with pretty much the same teams give or take and that includes London and Catalans.

We seem to be the only real nation that sees the importance in international games and that’s because we are desperate for money. I love the International game personally and want it to succeed, my childhood involved going to all the GB test games but if we are being honest the French national team have gone backwards in the last 30 years, nationally they couldn’t be bothered to host the World Cup as they don’t take Rugby League seriously and Australia generally don’t concern themselves with anything other than the NRL. 

I guarantee if we had £40/50 million TV income per season we would see a 14 or 16 team SL including London and 2 french teams and no loop fixtures and this forum wouldn’t keep rehashing expansion threads.

Rugby League just can’t afford it at the moment and deep down I think most of us thought IMG would use their global reach and expertise to help with this and then take a percentage, Sky will continue to pay as little as they can whilst they hold all the cards.

[Gooleboy]

2 minutes ago, RigbyLuger said:

IMG can't magic up TV deals for the second tier of a minor sport. They're not miracle workers. The clubs were right to turn down Viaplay, but should have been more proactive in streaming their own games. Plenty of other sports in this country manage it, and charge.

Sky have always covered previous finals, what's happened this time?

[binosh]

1 minute ago, Gooleboy said:

Which part of the ground have they been allocated?

Seats 1-12 row A

[RigbyLuger]

Just now, Gooleboy said:

Sky have always covered previous finals, what's happened this time?

Always? They didn't last year!

[Click]

45 minutes ago, Harry Stottle said:

What is Click? That the 3,000 who don't Click are nonconformists?

I am on the mailing list from my club, that us all the info I require and need.

Not being subscribed to a YouTube channel doesnt make one a nonconfirmist. 

It's more the fact that it is a way for the club to promote itself. And 3k is a pretty poor return on 6,000 members. Especially when you don't even need to be a fan of a club to subscribe to their YT page.

[Click]

5 minutes ago, Gooleboy said:

Sky have always covered previous finals, what's happened this time?

No they haven't.

[Forever Trinity]

12 minutes ago, Gooleboy said:

Which part of the ground have they been allocated?

Away support is reserved in Block 1 of the East Stand clearly the block cannot remain empty for 12 fans hence it has now sold out for Trinity fans.

[Gooleboy]

11 minutes ago, Forever Trinity said:

Away support is reserved in Block 1 of the East Stand clearly the block cannot remain empty for 12 fans hence it has now sold out for Trinity fans.

Away dugout then!

[Gooleboy]

20 minutes ago, Click said:

No they haven't.

I apologise. 

[Harry Stottle]

2 hours ago, Click said:

Didn't the Championship say no to going back to ViaPlay or whatever their name is now it got taken over again for this season?

Tell me what Viaplay or other name were offering contract wise, I wouldn't have got out of bed for it, never mind sharing with 14 teams, and being told to change game time from Sunday afternoons to Monday evenings for part time pro's who if travelling would have to take time of work.

[Click]

12 minutes ago, Harry Stottle said:

Tell me what Viaplay or other name were offering contract wise, I wouldn't have got out of bed for it, never mind sharing with 14 teams, and being told to change game time from Sunday afternoons to Monday evenings for part time pro's who if travelling would have to take time of work.

Ok, I am just pointing out that there was only an offer to televise the Championship and they rejected it.

The fact the final isn't on TV has nothing to do with it being a "meaningless" game, and everything to do with no TV company being that interested in the league.

[Harry Stottle]

3 hours ago, Click said:

Why is it irrelevant? Because you've decided it is? 

Because as Mons Houles said himself it is all based on 'potential', I would have thought all those in favour of IMG's spreadsheet method would realise that the criteria scores are based on 'actualities' attaining the points and not the perceived what might be.

[Harry Stottle]

3 hours ago, Click said:

What has IMG's criteria got to do with it if they're talking about parachuting a club into the top division? 

Who's talking about parachuting a club into the top division?

This thread is about what the coach of Toulouse says should happen irrespective of IMG's grading system, that his club should be in SL.

Edited October 17, 2024 by Harry Stottle

[Click]

2 minutes ago, Harry Stottle said:

Who's talking about parachuting a club into the top division?

This thread is about what the coach of Toulouse says should happen irrespective of IMG's grading system, that his club should be in SL.

Isn't that what parachuting a club into the top division would be? 

[Wollo Wollo Wayoo]

1 hour ago, Gooleboy said:

Which part of the ground have they been allocated?

Those infamous 12 Saint Helens chairs maybe?

[Harry Stottle]

9 minutes ago, Click said:

Isn't that what parachuting a club into the top division would be? 

Read your question back you posed to binosh here, it is:-

"What has IMG's criteria got to do with it if they're talking about parachuting a club into the top division? "

That reads as though it is IMG's proposal and not Houles.

[Worzel]

2 hours ago, Harry Stottle said:

 

Obviously not on RL Comm and IMG's specific list of requirements when they negotiated this present TV contract with Sky.

"D### you, IMG, you're ruining everything!!"

Edited October 17, 2024 by Worzel