Whitehaven in financial trouble

[johnmatrix]

You can name 17/18 bit you don't have to make any subs. Just play with 13 if that's your best side 

[The Blues Ox]

50 minutes ago, Click said:

They're playing in RLs second division... I don't think you should be allowed to register players last minute to make up numbers. 

If they didn't have enough they should have forfeited. Not sure how you can put that at the RFLs door.

Player wellfare is why it can be put at the RFL's door. The game nearly didn't get an insurer to touch it yet we are allowing teams to play with 15 players(14 as it were). It does not take a medical professional to tell us that the risk of injury when under servere fatigue is greatly increased yet here we are with RFL talking about how important player welfare is.

I think under the circumstances there is no reason why special dispensations could have been made to allow them to bring players in.

[Click]

6 minutes ago, The Blues Ox said:

Player wellfare is why it can be put at the RFL's door. The game nearly didn't get an insurer to touch it yet we are allowing teams to play with 15 players(14 as it were). It does not take a medical professional to tell us that the risk of injury when under servere fatigue is greatly increased yet here we are with RFL talking about how important player welfare is.

I think under the circumstances there is no reason why special dispensations could have been made to allow them to bring players in.

What players are they magically bringing in at the last minute, and with what money? 

They have no players because they have no money, but you think they should recruit random amateur players at the last second, and that makes player welfare ticked off? 

[Click]

40 minutes ago, LeeF said:

Minimum number to start a game is 9.

Well.. that is a ridiculous number.. but can't say I'm surprised.

[The Blues Ox]

1 minute ago, Click said:

What players are they magically bringing in at the last minute, and with what money? 

They have no players because they have no money, but you think they should recruit random amateur players at the last second, and that makes player welfare ticked off? 

They should be allowed to bring amateur players in yes. I could name 15 or 20 players in the Halifax area who could comfortably play in the Championship, Cumbria is a strong amateur area and Im pretty certain they could bring in 3 or 4 who could comfortably hold their own without any player welfare concerns.

Imagine, god forbid, that say a Haven prop suffered a career ending injury late in a game like todays where he had to play more minutes than he is conditioned to do because they did not have enough players. Are we ok with that? That is not on Haven, that is on the RFL, they sanction the games.

[Click]

2 minutes ago, The Blues Ox said:

They should be allowed to bring amateur players in yes. I could name 15 or 20 players in the Halifax area who could comfortably play in the Championship, Cumbria is a strong amateur area and Im pretty certain they could bring in 3 or 4 who could comfortably hold their own without any player welfare concerns.

Imagine, god forbid, that say a Haven prop suffered a career ending injury late in a game like todays where he had to play more minutes than he is conditioned to do because they did not have enough players. Are we ok with that? That is not on Haven, that is on the RFL, they sanction the games.

It's 100% on Haven. They got themselves in a financial mess to the point they haven't got 17 players, and you're absolving them of all blame.

They aren't playing in the amateur ranks, they're in the championship, it's embarrassing.

[del capo]

I believe that Steve McCormack from RFL Cares,   with his background in player welfare , High level coaching and his Cumbrian connections is to be getting involved........

[Wakefield Ram]

Lucky Dewsbury managed to get a player sent off in the 1st half. But at least Dewsbury pay their bills.

[tbgfc]

18 minutes ago, Click said:

It's 100% on Haven. They got themselves in a financial mess to the point they haven't got 17 players, and you're absolving them of all blame.

They aren't playing in the amateur ranks, they're in the championship, it's embarrassing.

It's not the financial mess that left them with no players, they have 4 or 5 players out on season ending injuries, one got into trouble with the law, 1 refusing to play because he's signed for a SL club and doesn't want a injury, 1 was getting married this weekend, 1 couldn't get leave from work to play today and 1 on a 2 match suspension. Granted they didn't have money to replace players but had brought in loan players being paid for by a supporters lottery but halifax recalled 2 of them last week. 

[Neutralfan7]

6 hours ago, Wakefield Ram said:

Lucky Dewsbury managed to get a player sent off in the 1st half. But at least Dewsbury pay their bills.

It was 0-16 when he got sent off stop looking for excuses 

[Ainley Top]

9 hours ago, del capo said:

I believe that Steve McCormack from RFL Cares,   with his background in player welfare , High level coaching and his Cumbrian connections is to be getting involved........

What position does he play?

[Cumbrian Fanatic]

15 hours ago, LeeF said:

Just the 14 this week. Maybe 13 next

I'm told that they have bodies back for next week

Edited August 26, 2024 by Cumbrian Fanatic

[The Blues Ox]

11 hours ago, Click said:

It's 100% on Haven. They got themselves in a financial mess to the point they haven't got 17 players, and you're absolving them of all blame.

They aren't playing in the amateur ranks, they're in the championship, it's embarrassing.

Am I? Or are you taking something I said out of context. My issue is with the player welfare talk which ultimatley the RFL decide if a game is to go ahead or not.  Players are going to want to play and clubs are going to want to fulfill fixtures knowing the penalties for not doing are far worse. When a team can only raise 14 players then it becomes a very clear player welfare issue and the RFL should step in.

[Griff]

49 minutes ago, The Blues Ox said:

Am I? Or are you taking something I said out of context. My issue is with the player welfare talk which ultimatley the RFL decide if a game is to go ahead or not.  Players are going to want to play and clubs are going to want to fulfill fixtures knowing the penalties for not doing are far worse. When a team can only raise 14 players then it becomes a very clear player welfare issue and the RFL should step in.

Who's going to be proud to say "Whitehaven RLFC folded because I refused to play" ?

Nobody.

[Gav Wilson]

12 hours ago, tbgfc said:

It's not the financial mess that left them with no players, they have 4 or 5 players out on season ending injuries, one got into trouble with the law, 1 refusing to play because he's signed for a SL club and doesn't want a injury, 1 was getting married this weekend, 1 couldn't get leave from work to play today and 1 on a 2 match suspension. Granted they didn't have money to replace players but had brought in loan players being paid for by a supporters lottery but halifax recalled 2 of them last week. 

I don't have much sympathy for any of this bit.

[The Blues Ox]

1 hour ago, Griff said:

Who's going to be proud to say "Whitehaven RLFC folded because I refused to play" ?

Nobody.

Not a clue what you mean.

[Les Tonks Sidestep]

46 minutes ago, Gav Wilson said:

I don't have much sympathy for any of this bit.

Yeah, definitely the club's fault.....

[Expatknight]

2 hours ago, Les Tonks Sidestep said:

Yeah, definitely the club's fault.....

100% , let’s not forget that they are a professional club competing in a professional league, if they can’t afford to be in that league then , sadly, they should pull out. The whole sorry saga, and they aren’t the only ones, is bringing the game into disrepute. I feel sorry for the fans and players they are just pawns in this game, ultimately it is down to the club and the RFL to make sur this doesn’t happen. As for bringing in players just to fulfill the remaining fixtures that is wrong on so many levels, apart from being against the rules. Just playing devils advocate, what would happen if team A is in a position like Haven and bring in a load of players, team B are struggling but abiding by the rules and getting by, they need to win to stay in the Championship, team A beat them with their ‘team’ thus relegating team B but stay up themselves, how can that be right? And yes it could happen. 

[Click]

5 hours ago, The Blues Ox said:

Am I? Or are you taking something I said out of context. My issue is with the player welfare talk which ultimatley the RFL decide if a game is to go ahead or not.  Players are going to want to play and clubs are going to want to fulfill fixtures knowing the penalties for not doing are far worse. When a team can only raise 14 players then it becomes a very clear player welfare issue and the RFL should step in.

Yes, you are. 

Again you talking about it the RFL stepping in because Haven don't have enough players.. they shouldn't be playing if they don't have the players, it's not complicated.

All of your comments seem to be "player welfare, RFL need to sort it out" rather than Haven having some kind of player welfare, you know, for their own players.

[Hopie]

16 hours ago, tbgfc said:

...1 was getting married this weekend...

4 hours ago, Gav Wilson said:

I don't have much sympathy for any of this bit.

Romance is dead!

[Neutralfan7]

This post has turned into a he said/she said thread. 

Regardless who everyone thinks is at fault, no one knows the true facts let alone fans from other clubs who have opinions they think are factual. 

An actual fact is, Haven were told that if they got special dispensation to bring in players then they would receive a points deduction that would definitely see them relegated, rather than do this, the team have pulled together and are fighting tooth and nail for the good of Whitehaven RL. It is not us going on about player welfare or anything, that is from other clubs fans, if the team didn't want to play with the numbers then we wouldn't be playing, shows what a great attitude and commitment the team have to each other and the club imo.

[tbgfc]

6 hours ago, Gav Wilson said:

I don't have much sympathy for any of this bit.

I not a whitehaven supporter so the post certainly wasn't about looking for sympathy  it was more about things being out of the clubs control regardless of there financial situation, if a player refuses to play then what can a club do, if a player breaks the law outside of the game then again is the club at fault, the majority of players in the championship are part time and inevitably work will clash every now and then with games, i would say its quite a common occurance at this level again outside the clubs control and I'm pretty sure the player won't be the first player to get married during a season. Personally I find the whole financial situation at Whitehaven embarrassing for the sport, my team has had its own recent financial difficulties but we got relegated and rebuilt and are now in a much stronger financial position ready for when we hopefully can get promoted again.

[Griff]

25 minutes ago, tbgfc said:

I not a whitehaven supporter so the post certainly wasn't about looking for sympathy  it was more about things being out of the clubs control regardless of there financial situation, if a player refuses to play then what can a club do, if a player breaks the law outside of the game then again is the club at fault, the majority of players in the championship are part time and inevitably work will clash every now and then with games, i would say its quite a common occurance at this level again outside the clubs control and I'm pretty sure the player won't be the first player to get married during a season. Personally I find the whole financial situation at Whitehaven embarrassing for the sport, my team has had its own recent financial difficulties but we got relegated and rebuilt and are now in a much stronger financial position ready for when we hopefully can get promoted again.

What if they're refusing to play because they aren't being paid?

I genuinely can't recall the last time a player told the Sheffield club that he couldn't play because he had to work. Could be back in the 1980s when Dave Cholmondeley was jetting around Europe for his job.

[Neutralfan7]

20 minutes ago, Griff said:

What if they're refusing to play because they aren't being paid?

I genuinely can't recall the last time a player told the Sheffield club that he couldn't play because he had to work. Could be back in the 1980s when Dave Cholmondeley was jetting around Europe for his job.

All players have been paid.

[Griff]

And now they're playing. 

Coincidence?