Whitehaven in financial trouble

[Hemel Rugby League]

Pennine Way at Hemel Stags was an apt location for the club. When the wind and rain blows in down the Gade Valley to the club, nobody would ever call our supporters ''Southern Softies' !!

[Anita Bath]

1 hour ago, moorside roughyed said:

You've never been cold if you'd never been to Sheddings . Them were the days.

Usually accompanied by horizontal sleet. 

[RSN]

23 hours ago, The Blues Ox said:

Hate to bring this back up but in the ladies competition Bradford were today playing Leigh and were allowed by the RFL to borrow 4 Leigh players to help them fulfill the fixture. Super League and the Championship are made out to be a serious competition in the ladies game with even some teams in the Championship paying players and with Bradford close to relegation failure to fulfill the fixture could have had serious consequences along with a large fine. Obviously Dewsbury were not going to lend Haven players but what is the difference between this and some amateur players helping out?

Ones semi professional one isn't.

How much is spent on wages in mens championship compared to the women's?

[gingerjon]

On 31/08/2024 at 22:03, The Blues Ox said:

Hate to bring this back up but in the ladies competition Bradford were today playing Leigh and were allowed by the RFL to borrow 4 Leigh players to help them fulfill the fixture. Super League and the Championship are made out to be a serious competition in the ladies game with even some teams in the Championship paying players and with Bradford close to relegation failure to fulfill the fixture could have had serious consequences along with a large fine. Obviously Dewsbury were not going to lend Haven players but what is the difference between this and some amateur players helping out?

It's a tough competition but this is surely now the frontrunner for most embarrassing post of the year.

[moorside roughyed]

2 hours ago, Anita Bath said:

Usually accompanied by horizontal sleet. 

Indeed. I used to play rugby for counthill school back in the day(only a cockstride from Sheddings).It was ruddy cold up there even in summer .

Edited September 1 by moorside roughyed

[northamptoncougar]

I once saw the foil blankets brought out for supporters at Mount Pleasant, my god that place was cold in the winter!!!!

[Ainley Top]

9 hours ago, gingerjon said:

It's a tough competition but this is surely now the frontrunner for most embarrassing post of the year.

Why?

[The Blues Ox]

11 hours ago, gingerjon said:

It's a tough competition but this is surely now the frontrunner for most embarrassing post of the year.

Why? Haven are told they can borrow players but would be docked points if they did so show up with 14 players causing player welfare concerns where as Bradford could have played with 13 players but are allowed to borrow 4 players from the opposition in a competitive competition that is governed by rules and has big implications for the relegation situation in that league. Both are competitions with paid players and although I get the point about men v women, both are played under the very similar competition rules. Why are the RFL ok with a team borrowing players in once instance(makes a mockery of the competition that is from the opposition) but not in another.

[The Blues Ox]

12 hours ago, RSN said:

Ones semi professional one isn't.

How much is spent on wages in mens championship compared to the women's?

I couldn't tell you but does it matter? Both are competitive leagues with big relegation implications at stake. We can't say on one hand that competition rules are there for a reason and then on another hand so oh its not a pro league so it doesn't matter. 

[Tommygilf]

29 minutes ago, The Blues Ox said:

Why? Haven are told they can borrow players but would be docked points if they did so show up with 14 players causing player welfare concerns where as Bradford could have played with 13 players but are allowed to borrow 4 players from the opposition in a competitive competition that is governed by rules and has big implications for the relegation situation in that league. Both are competitions with paid players and although I get the point about men v women, both are played under the very similar competition rules. Why are the RFL ok with a team borrowing players in once instance(makes a mockery of the competition that is from the opposition) but not in another.

Under no circumstances should teams in the second division of the highest level Northern Hemisphere competition be borrowing opposition players to make a team like under 14s might do.

It's supposed to be a professional competition. 

[moorside roughyed]

I remember playing for counthill (my senior school) away at a Wigan school,we lost. We got our revenge in the reverse fixture at counthill. We gave them a proper thumping,they couldn't hack the cold weather. Half of their team were nearly in tears by full time. Hypothermia I think they call it. As my dad used to say"you're not cold,you just think you are". Old school was my dad.

Edited September 2 by moorside roughyed

[JonM]

759 in attendance for Haven vs York yesterday. 

[RP London]

1 hour ago, moorside roughyed said:

I remember playing for counthill (my senior school) away at a Wigan school,we lost. We got our revenge in the reverse fixture at counthill. We gave them a proper thumping,they couldn't hack the cold weather. Half of their team were nearly in tears by full time. Hypothermia I think they call it. As my dad used to say"you're not cold,you just think you are". Old school was my dad.

Try telling Captains Scott and Oates that!

I believe I am right (but maybe, just maybe I've made it up) that Scott said of Queensbury "in a typical August it is a cold desolate land but on a tempestuous January afternoon with the wind rolling in off the hills and the rain and snow lashing at ones face I would rather be back at the South Pole with the Terra Nova stuck in sheet ice, the dogs starving and my knackers nailed to the tent poll"

[Puk]

2 hours ago, JonM said:

759 in attendance for Haven vs York yesterday. 

Must be a big concern for Haven only getting that many through the turnstiles when you are in serious financial mess,hope Haven do survive but with that turnout it makes you wonder if the public of Whitehaven want a professional rugby league club at all.

[Griff]

2 hours ago, RP London said:

Try telling Captains Scott and Oates that!

I believe I am right (but maybe, just maybe I've made it up) that Scott said of Queensbury "in a typical August it is a cold desolate land but on a tempestuous January afternoon with the wind rolling in off the hills and the rain and snow lashing at ones face I would rather be back at the South Pole with the Terra Nova stuck in sheet ice, the dogs starving and my knackers nailed to the tent poll"

It's nice that they put it to a vote.

[Griff]

48 minutes ago, Puk said:

Must be a big concern for Haven only getting that many through the turnstiles when you are in serious financial mess,hope Haven do survive but with that turnout it makes you wonder if the public of Whitehaven want a professional rugby league club at all.

If the Joe Public of pretty much any rugby league town or city had to pay the full costs of running a professional rugby league team, there wouldn't be many professional rugby league teams.

[Neutralfan7]

5 hours ago, JonM said:

759 in attendance for Haven vs York yesterday. 

Well that was the " official number " probably do what all clubs do in regards to attendance numbers 

[Griff]

15 minutes ago, Neutralfan7 said:

Well that was the " official number " probably do what all clubs do in regards to attendance numbers 

What's that?

[The Blues Ox]

12 hours ago, Griff said:

What's that?

Double or treble them and hope nobody notices? Oh no that might just be Bradford.

[Adelaide Tiger]

19 hours ago, moorside roughyed said:

I remember playing for counthill (my senior school) away at a Wigan school,we lost. We got our revenge in the reverse fixture at counthill. We gave them a proper thumping,they couldn't hack the cold weather. Half of their team were nearly in tears by full time. Hypothermia I think they call it. As my dad used to say"you're not cold,you just think you are". Old school was my dad.

Takes me back to a game of RU at High school - we were not allowed to play RL even though we were in Cas - when it was sleeting in down horizontally.  The lad opposite me was in tears most of the first half.  I thought he was a bit soft until we played into the sleet in the second half.  I played most of that half with my head burrowed inside my jersey. Must have looked like the Honey Monsters young lad with my frozen fair hair sticking out of the collar of the jersey.

Salvation arrived at half time when all 15 of us plus a mates Dad - who wasn’t the slimmest of blokes - who always came to watch us somehow managed to huddle underneath a golf brolly he brought.  

Edited September 3 by Adelaide Tiger

[Griff]

3 hours ago, The Blues Ox said:

Double or treble them and hope nobody notices? Oh no that might just be Bradford.

It's not so long since folk were reckoning that attendances were understated to save on VAT.

Like the VATman carries round his collection of TRL Year Books.....

[RP London]

1 hour ago, Griff said:

It's not so long since folk were reckoning that attendances were understated to save on VAT.

Like the VATman carries round his collection of TRL Year Books.....

Its one of the loopholes on Kier Starmer's to-do list

"give all VATmen (and women) copies of TRL year books" 

 

[Damien]

 

[Gooleboy]

57 minutes ago, Damien said:

 

Good news. All the best to Whitehaven for the future.

[Expatknight]

That would appear to be a very sensible approach, I wish Haven the best of luck we need Cumbrian teams in our competition