London Broncos (Merged Threads)

[Eddie]

So to summarise the last 26 pages, nobody has a clue what’s happening at the Broncos. 

[RayCee]

8 minutes ago, Eddie said:

So to summarise the last 26 pages, nobody has a clue what’s happening at the Broncos. 

That's what forums are for. 

[The Future is League]

1 hour ago, Eddie said:

So to summarise the last 26 pages, nobody has a clue what’s happening at the Broncos. 

Somebody must be paying the bills in the meantime, and if so is that David Hughes?

[Eddie]

14 minutes ago, The Future is League said:

Somebody must be paying the bills in the meantime, and if so is that David Hughes?

It’ll be the London Broncos, not an individual. 

[gingerjon]

45 minutes ago, The Future is League said:

Somebody must be paying the bills in the meantime, and if so is that David Hughes?

What bills?

[Pen-Y-Bont Crusader]

Just now, gingerjon said:

What bills?

Guessing he means salaries.

[The Future is League]

1 minute ago, gingerjon said:

What bills?

Surely there will be a bill of some description for the hire of the training facilities or is that included in there hire of wimbledon's ground. Not unless they are training on open parkland and changing in their cars

I don't know so you tell me?

[Pen-Y-Bont Crusader]

24 minutes ago, The Future is League said:

Surely there will be a bill of some description for the hire of the training facilities or is that included in there hire of wimbledon's ground. Not unless they are training on open parkland and changing in their cars

I don't know so you tell me?

Training is at Rosslyn Park.

[The Future is League]

12 minutes ago, Pen-Y-Bont Crusader said:

Training is at Rosslyn Park.

So would guess there must be some sort of fee involved as the union club won't be doing out of the goodness of their hearts.

[Pen-Y-Bont Crusader]

Open training session next Sunday.

[The Future is League]

7 minutes ago, Pen-Y-Bont Crusader said:

Open training session next Sunday.

As someone in their 70's i will give this a miss 

[Trinity1873]

1 hour ago, The Future is League said:

As someone in their 70's i will give this a miss 

I'll join you

[THE RED ROOSTER]

To sum up, there appears to be no " White Knight" on the horizon to subsidise the club.

You cannot blame the RFL or IMG as with the IMG ranking of 14th if you wre going to invest in the club then this is the time, but given the added extras involved in subsidising London Broncos there are no takers.

With Rosslyn Park used for training, women's games and matches where their is a clash with AFC Wimbledon's  season, not to mention Ebbsfleet United,s fee for the use of their ground for two games.

So you have circa £ 200,000 per annum to AFC Wimbledon, and an undisclosed sum paid to Rosslyn Park RFC and Ebbsfleet United FC that' s before you deal with team travel and accommodation costs.

In addition, London are not a dual registration club, so for example with Widnes being Warringtons dual registration partner, a bitter pill for Chemics to swallow, the prospect exists of Oli Leyland returning to Plough Lane to play for Widnes next year.

London are at a disadvantage to all dual registration Championship clubs.

We have all been told London needed circa £ 300,000 to start the season and a further £900,000 later on to finish it. Now when I last looked just before it closed, the crowdfunder raised circa £ 10,000 from 91 souls and I tip the metaphorical hat to all that contributed.

Season ticket sales are probably not going that well, and their are two clothing brands on offer, one in Paladin sports from Aussie ex-Broncos and St Virgo owned and operated by another club employee.

So it's no wonder that there are on the face of it so few public first XII announcements with the squad to be bolstered by academy players apparently.

And it is legitimate to ask the question here as to the leap of faith  the game has taken by allowing London to start the season in the championship for with the costs and known revenue streams available its a moot point as to not just whether the club will be competitive but also whether it will actually be in a position to finish the championship season.

[Pen-Y-Bont Crusader]

22 minutes ago, THE RED ROOSTER said:

To sum up, there appears to be no " White Knight" on the horizon to subsidise the club.

You cannot blame the RFL or IMG as with the IMG ranking of 14th if you wre going to invest in the club then this is the time, but given the added extras involved in subsidising London Broncos there are no takers.

With Rosslyn Park used for training, women's games and matches where their is a clash with AFC Wimbledon's  season, not to mention Ebbsfleet United,s fee for the use of their ground for two games.

So you have circa £ 200,000 per annum to AFC Wimbledon, and an undisclosed sum paid to Rosslyn Park RFC and Ebbsfleet United FC that' s before you deal with team travel and accommodation costs.

In addition, London are not a dual registration club, so for example with Widnes being Warringtons dual registration partner, a bitter pill for Chemics to swallow, the prospect exists of Oli Leyland returning to Plough Lane to play for Widnes next year.

London are at a disadvantage to all dual registration Championship clubs.

We have all been told London needed circa £ 300,000 to start the season and a further £900,000 later on to finish it. Now when I last looked just before it closed, the crowdfunder raised circa £ 10,000 from 91 souls and I tip the metaphorical hat to all that contributed.

Season ticket sales are probably not going that well, and their are two clothing brands on offer, one in Paladin sports from Aussie ex-Broncos and St Virgo owned and operated by another club employee.

So it's no wonder that there are on the face of it so few public first XII announcements with the squad to be bolstered by academy players apparently.

And it is legitimate to ask the question here as to the leap of faith  the game has taken by allowing London to start the season in the championship for with the costs and known revenue streams available its a moot point as to not just whether the club will be competitive but also whether it will actually be in a position to finish the championship season.

Very hard to disagree with any of that. I’m clinging to the fact that Mike Eccles is a good man and is there because of what he knows rather than what he hopes will be.

[dealwithit]

21 minutes ago, THE RED ROOSTER said:

To sum up, there appears to be no " White Knight" on the horizon to subsidise the club.

You cannot blame the RFL or IMG as with the IMG ranking of 14th if you wre going to invest in the club then this is the time, but given the added extras involved in subsidising London Broncos there are no takers.

With Rosslyn Park used for training, women's games and matches where their is a clash with AFC Wimbledon's  season, not to mention Ebbsfleet United,s fee for the use of their ground for two games.

So you have circa £ 200,000 per annum to AFC Wimbledon, and an undisclosed sum paid to Rosslyn Park RFC and Ebbsfleet United FC that' s before you deal with team travel and accommodation costs.

In addition, London are not a dual registration club, so for example with Widnes being Warringtons dual registration partner, a bitter pill for Chemics to swallow, the prospect exists of Oli Leyland returning to Plough Lane to play for Widnes next year.

London are at a disadvantage to all dual registration Championship clubs.

We have all been told London needed circa £ 300,000 to start the season and a further £900,000 later on to finish it. Now when I last looked just before it closed, the crowdfunder raised circa £ 10,000 from 91 souls and I tip the metaphorical hat to all that contributed.

Season ticket sales are probably not going that well, and their are two clothing brands on offer, one in Paladin sports from Aussie ex-Broncos and St Virgo owned and operated by another club employee.

So it's no wonder that there are on the face of it so few public first XII announcements with the squad to be bolstered by academy players apparently.

And it is legitimate to ask the question here as to the leap of faith  the game has taken by allowing London to start the season in the championship for with the costs and known revenue streams available its a moot point as to not just whether the club will be competitive but also whether it will actually be in a position to finish the championship season.

Plough Lane is not £200k. That’s the figure AFC Wimbledon have forecasted as the top end of potential revenue from the deal, including food, drink and other vendors. 
 

Broncos would stand to earn the highest RFL grant in the Championship. Maybe £150k. With sponsors, season tickets, merchandise, go fund me, they might be at £200k. If they don’t get investment, then I doubt they’ll run as a £900k operation. 

[Ivarr the Boneless]

Dons Trust told their members the rent would be between £200,000 and £500,000 per annum.

Broncos also psi to upgrade the floodlights when promoted to SL, that may or may not be included in the top end figure.

https://thedonstrust.org/files/London-Broncos-Information-QA.pdf

[lucky 7]

10 hours ago, gingerjon said:

What bills?

Are you serious? 

All professional and semi professional clubs still have bills to pay in their off seasons.

[dealwithit]

7 hours ago, Ivarr the Boneless said:

Dons Trust told their members the rent would be between £200,000 and £500,000 per annum.

Broncos also psi to upgrade the floodlights when promoted to SL, that may or may not be included in the top end figure.

https://thedonstrust.org/files/London-Broncos-Information-QA.pdf

“rental fees as well as additional commission on matchday income such as tickets and beverages.”

Up to £500k if broncos are in super league — clearly pegged to attendances. 

[gingerjon]

10 hours ago, lucky 7 said:

Are you serious? 

All professional and semi professional clubs still have bills to pay in their off seasons.

The Broncos are a zombie club and have been for years. They have to exist to have bills to pay and they barely do.

[Archie Gordon]

1 hour ago, gingerjon said:

The Broncos are a zombie club and have been for years. They have to exist to have bills to pay and they barely do.

Yep. Outgoings at the moment may only be top-up money paid to a dozen or so staff who have other jobs/educations, plus hire of RP for training. Probably not substantially different in scale of operation to a community club in pre-season.

It's still a waiting game for a new investor.

[Click]

1 hour ago, Archie Gordon said:

Yep. Outgoings at the moment may only be top-up money paid to a dozen or so staff who have other jobs/educations, plus hire of RP for training. Probably not substantially different in scale of operation to a community club in pre-season.

It's still a waiting game for a new investor.

 

2 hours ago, gingerjon said:

The Broncos are a zombie club and have been for years. They have to exist to have bills to pay and they barely do.

They still have re-signed and signed 13 or so players, they have to have had some money to pay for them.

[gingerjon]

2 minutes ago, Click said:

 

They still have re-signed and signed 13 or so players, they have to have had some money to pay for them.

How much do you think you need to cover part time players out of season training costs?

[Click]

1 minute ago, gingerjon said:

How much do you think you need to cover part time players out of season training costs?

No idea, but it isn't going to be zero.

[gingerjon]

Just now, Click said:

No idea, but it isn't going to be zero.

It's not going to be much either. As Archie says, costs at the minute are likely to be no higher than a community club running its off season.

[Click]

1 minute ago, gingerjon said:

It's not going to be much either. As Archie says, costs at the minute are likely to be no higher than a community club running its off season.

Most community clubs probably have more diversified income streams to be honest.

Either way, they have got some outgoings, and no visible incoming money at the moment.