Hull FC bought by Multi-Millionaire partnership

[Padge]

17 minutes ago, Agbrigg said:

Again you contradict yourself, how can idiots running a circus as you describe, be the same smart people who made them selves rich. Please explain this in Trins case.

Explain the contradiction?

[M j M]

31 minutes ago, Padge said:

If it's a garbage concept clubs would not be doing it.

Can you tell us which RL clubs have moved their stadium from one company to another?

Warrington built a new ground using the holding company but I can't think of any who have moved their stadium. 

[M j M]

3 hours ago, Padge said:

The Warrington one means one cannot be sold without the consent of the other but neither is responsible for the others debts.

 

It's a cross guarantee between the companies in favour of the bank!

[Agbrigg]

19 minutes ago, Padge said:

Explain the contradiction?

I've had enough,when this mythical stadium company is formed to run belle Vue , which you purport will happen, we can continue on a dedicated thread.   Because this is an Hull thread and in respect of that let's not derail it anymore. 

Edited November 15, 2024 by Agbrigg

[Padge]

15 minutes ago, M j M said:

Can you tell us which RL clubs have moved their stadium from one company to another?

Warrington built a new ground using the holding company but I can't think of any who have moved their stadium. 

Oh FFS you don't move it you split it.

Leeds Rugby do not own Leeds Stadium, the same shareholders may own both but one does not own the other. 

[M j M]

15 minutes ago, Padge said:

Oh FFS you don't move it you split it.

Leeds Rugby do not own Leeds Stadium, the same shareholders may own both but one does not own the other. 

Great you chose one example and it turns out you're just making it up.

Leeds have owned Headingley Rugby ground since it was built in 1890 and it's never moved from the same company in all that time.

[Padge]

13 minutes ago, M j M said:

Great you chose one example and it turns out you're just making it up.

Leeds have owned Headingley Rugby ground since it was built in 1890 and it's never moved from the same company in all that time.

No, I am not making it up, but hands up Leeds is a bad example as the ownership is split, but between rugby and cricket.

 

[M j M]

2 minutes ago, Padge said:

No, I am not making it up, but hands up Leeds is a bad example as the ownership is split, but between rugby and cricket.

Leeds owned the entire complex until they sold the cricket ground to Yorkshire but that's irrelevant to the ownership of the RL ground.

[George Watt]

10 hours ago, Exiled Wiganer said:

It was off the top of my head somewhat, and I would be interested in seeing yours.

You will see that mine went from the early 80s. Might Knocker, Schofield and Sterling make the cut? If not, the better player must have been something. 
Last year, my auntie - whose season ticket I am about to renew - picked her favourite 13 of Wigan players she had seen. She started going to games in 1932 so had a lot to choose from. 
 

Bet a pound to a penny her fullback was Jim Sullivan!

The best Wigan team performance I watched was in the 1959 CC final against Hull.

Hull had a pack which was arguably it's best ever including Internationals Tommy Harris ,John Whiteley, Mick Scott plus the Drake twins and if I include my early fifties favourite second rower Harry Markham my forwards are complete

Fullback would be Freddie Miller, wingers Bruce Ryan and Clive Sullivan centres Roy Francis and James Leuluai with halves Gary Schofield and Tommy Finn/Richard Horne.

Schofield played in the centre for Hull but is there in my favourite team choice.

Favourite ever Wigan player would be Bill Ashurst who came here to play for Penrith in the seventies and was a legend there,

 

[MZH]

34 minutes ago, George Watt said:

Bet a pound to a penny her fullback was Jim Sullivan!

The best Wigan team performance I watched was in the 1959 CC final against Hull.

Hull had a pack which was arguably it's best ever including Internationals Tommy Harris ,John Whiteley, Mick Scott plus the Drake twins and if I include my early fifties favourite second rower Harry Markham my forwards are complete

Fullback would be Freddie Miller, wingers Bruce Ryan and Clive Sullivan centres Roy Francis and James Leuluai with halves Gary Schofield and Tommy Finn/Richard Horne.

Schofield played in the centre for Hull but is there in my favourite team choice.

Favourite ever Wigan player would be Bill Ashurst who came here to play for Penrith in the seventies and was a legend there,

 

Big praise for Richard Horne to be included alongside some of those names, especially given some of your omissions!

I always think its an interesting debate when you are talking about the best players to play for a club. Do you favour contribution or talent?9/10 fans would probably include Sterling in their all time Hull FC teams, but did he really do enough in his relatively few games to outweigh an absolute stalwart like Richard Horne?

My all time Hull FC 13 would be very different to my best I've ever seen play for Hull FC 13.

[George Watt]

59 minutes ago, MZH said:

Big praise for Richard Horne to be included alongside some of those names, especially given some of your omissions!

I always think its an interesting debate when you are talking about the best players to play for a club. Do you favour contribution or talent?9/10 fans would probably include Sterling in their all time Hull FC teams, but did he really do enough in his relatively few games to outweigh an absolute stalwart like Richard Horne?

My all time Hull FC 13 would be very different to my best I've ever seen play for Hull FC 13.

Yes I am an outlier on Sterling because both Finn/ Horne played an enormous number of games. Only once watched Sterling play for Hull when they lost against Wigan in a CC final.  Finn steered the Hull so called "Panzer Pack" around for years.

My second team in SL is Warrington and I would not include Andrew Johns in my favourite team.

How far back would you go back in naming your all time team? Would Billy Batten be included? - he would replace Leuluai in mine as he was a child favourite due to my dad talking endlessly about his exploits.

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[Bedfordshire Bronco]

On 13/11/2024 at 15:27, Eddie said:

I’ve always thought FC should (considering their size) be challenging Saints and Wigan. I really gone this move strengthens them on the field as we need more teams who are able to compete with those two, even as a passive Saints fan I find the Wigan/Saints GF dominance of the last few years dull. 

The biggest problem is their location.... It puts off potential signings.... Genuinely 

They have to pay more for the same Australian/NZ-er

[MZH]

2 hours ago, George Watt said:

How far back would you go back in naming your all time team? Would Billy Batten be included? - he would replace Leuluai in mine as he was a child favourite due to my dad talking endlessly about his exploits.

I've been watching Rugby League for a lot less time than you (30 years or thereabouts), and there are many, many greats that I never saw play, or have only seen on old videos. 

In American sports you will sometimes hear them refer to their "Mount Rushmore" of a sport or team. IE, the 4 most important players in history.

The 4 I would have on Hull FC's Mount Rushmore are Johnny Whiteley, Jack Harrison, Joe Oliver and Clive Sullivan. I think they are the 4 players who have most significantly shaped the clubs history. Not necessarily the 4 best players, but 4 players who any Hull FC fan of any age should know about.

[George Watt]

1 hour ago, MZH said:

I've been watching Rugby League for a lot less time than you (30 years or thereabouts), and there are many, many greats that I never saw play, or have only seen on old videos. 

In American sports you will sometimes hear them refer to their "Mount Rushmore" of a sport or team. IE, the 4 most important players in history.

The 4 I would have on Hull FC's Mount Rushmore are Johnny Whiteley, Jack Harrison, Joe Oliver and Clive Sullivan. I think they are the 4 players who have most significantly shaped the clubs history. Not necessarily the 4 best players, but 4 players who any Hull FC fan of any age should know about.

Would have to think more about a fourth but  three would certainly be Joe Oliver Jack Harrison and Roy Francis.

Incidentally the best ever player I have watched was Brian Bevan who I first saw play at the Boulevard in 1947 in a Warrington side including Roy Francis.

[Eddie]

5 hours ago, Bedfordshire Bronco said:

The biggest problem is their location.... It puts off potential signings.... Genuinely 

They have to pay more for the same Australian/NZ-er

You think Wigan, St Helens or Warrington are more appealing? I know it has a reputation as a dump, and some of the outskirts leave a little to be desired, but I had a night out in Hull a couple of years back and was genuinely surprised at how much nicer the centre is these days. 

[ricky]

Living in Beverley and commuting to the Cottingham Road for training would be a very nice life.

I wonder how many of KR's squad live on the Holderness Road?

[Bedfordshire Bronco]

41 minutes ago, Eddie said:

You think Wigan, St Helens or Warrington are more appealing? I know it has a reputation as a dump, and some of the outskirts leave a little to be desired, but I had a night out in Hull a couple of years back and was genuinely surprised at how much nicer the centre is these days. 

No sorry...wasn't saying Hull is bad and Wigan is amazing ....

It's the proximity to the connurbations ......basically Manchester and Leeds

Tony Smith and others have voiced it in the past that players want to be neat those cities and not stuck an hour away on the East Yorkshire coast...... By the way I love the East Yorkshire coast....especially Beverley (where we saw Joe Burgess and Tyrone May having a coffee last year!)

[Eddie]

10 hours ago, Bedfordshire Bronco said:

No sorry...wasn't saying Hull is bad and Wigan is amazing ....

It's the proximity to the connurbations ......basically Manchester and Leeds

Tony Smith and others have voiced it in the past that players want to be neat those cities and not stuck an hour away on the East Yorkshire coast...... By the way I love the East Yorkshire coast....especially Beverley (where we saw Joe Burgess and Tyrone May having a coffee last year!)

Ah yes I see what you mean

[EggFace]

On 14/11/2024 at 14:53, EggFace said:

I'm winning the £127 Million Euro this Friday so I be helping out the 3 teams in Cumbria.

Well I got the date wrong its next Friday.

[Damien]

Takeover complete. Hopefully onwards and upwards now for Hull FC:

Hull FC have been taken over by former Leeds Rhinos president Andrew Thirkill and businessman David Hood, ending Adam Pearson's 13-year stint at the helm of the Super League club.

Thirkill and Hood entered into an exclusivity period in November, with Pearson confirming in a statement on Wednesday the handover had been finalised.

Pearson will stay on at Hull in a consultancy capacity with Thirkill becoming chairman and Hood joining the board.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/rugby-league/articles/c1kejxjepmgo

[Kirmonds pouch]

On 13/11/2024 at 15:58, Dullish Mood said:

As a Wire fan I’m actually glad to see this.  The sport only has 4/5 “viable” big clubs and we need FC to be back as one too, as they’ve been a shell of a club for 2/3 years now sadly.

No it doesn’t. All the clubs in SL would be viable with an investor, especially a competent one. Just remember it’s only 20 years ago Warrington were a basket case as were HKR. Where as Bradford were the benchmark.

As someone who actually knows what he’s taking about ha I g Ben involved in the game at all levels for 40 year, RL is on the brink of a golden age.

When ASU’s sponsored Trinity they were amazed at the  FM it gave them. Ditto Matt Ellis has been surprised as to how far his money goes in RL and what he gets in return. 

He’s flirted in the past with buying Barnsley FC but soon realised that the money needed to catapult them to a top half Premiership club was beyond what he was willing to give.

Same applies to a lot of wealthy people, they want to own a successful sports club but not at the astronomical costs football demands.

Thats why RL is starting to attract such people. They can invest in RL without selling the family silver, yet still have a realistic chance of some success. They can have the fun and prestige at a fraction of the cost. More and more of these people will start to enter our game. Whist at the same time the super rich will not make it ridiculously uneven as in football. They have millions to spend not billions and that will do us fine.

[Dullish Mood]

3 hours ago, Kirmonds pouch said:

No it doesn’t. All the clubs in SL would be viable with an investor, especially a competent one. Just remember it’s only 20 years ago Warrington were a basket case as were HKR. Where as Bradford were the benchmark.

As someone who actually knows what he’s taking about ha I g Ben involved in the game at all levels for 40 year, RL is on the brink of a golden age.

When ASU’s sponsored Trinity they were amazed at the  FM it gave them. Ditto Matt Ellis has been surprised as to how far his money goes in RL and what he gets in return. 

He’s flirted in the past with buying Barnsley FC but soon realised that the money needed to catapult them to a top half Premiership club was beyond what he was willing to give.

Same applies to a lot of wealthy people, they want to own a successful sports club but not at the astronomical costs football demands.

Thats why RL is starting to attract such people. They can invest in RL without selling the family silver, yet still have a realistic chance of some success. They can have the fun and prestige at a fraction of the cost. More and more of these people will start to enter our game. Whist at the same time the super rich will not make it ridiculously uneven as in football. They have millions to spend not billions and that will do us fine.

There’s being “viable” and there’s being a club with big enough potential to grow the sport.  Any and all clubs tick the first box with some investment, at present only 4/5 tick the second box.  Wakey, Salford, Leigh, Huddersfield, Castleford ain’t going to move the dial for the sport regardless of who owns them and how much they spend.   Small, economically deprived northern towns such as those are not going to move the dial whatever happens as we all know.

[warriors 95]

9 hours ago, Kirmonds pouch said:

No it doesn’t. All the clubs in SL would be viable with an investor, especially a competent one. Just remember it’s only 20 years ago Warrington were a basket case as were HKR. Where as Bradford were the benchmark.

As someone who actually knows what he’s taking about ha I g Ben involved in the game at all levels for 40 year, RL is on the brink of a golden age.

When ASU’s sponsored Trinity they were amazed at the  FM it gave them. Ditto Matt Ellis has been surprised as to how far his money goes in RL and what he gets in return. 

He’s flirted in the past with buying Barnsley FC but soon realised that the money needed to catapult them to a top half Premiership club was beyond what he was willing to give.

Same applies to a lot of wealthy people, they want to own a successful sports club but not at the astronomical costs football demands.

Thats why RL is starting to attract such people. They can invest in RL without selling the family silver, yet still have a realistic chance of some success. They can have the fun and prestige at a fraction of the cost. More and more of these people will start to enter our game. Whist at the same time the super rich will not make it ridiculously uneven as in football. They have millions to spend not billions and that will do us fine.

Exactly.

I’ve been saying the same thing for years that the multi-millionaires like jack walker(Blackburn), Steve gibson(Middlesbrough) and sir John hall(Newcastle) would be small fry in todays premier league football.

[JohnM]

I feel the word "benefactor" fits the narrative better than the word "investor".

[Eddie]

20 hours ago, Kirmonds pouch said:

No it doesn’t. All the clubs in SL would be viable with an investor, especially a competent one. Just remember it’s only 20 years ago Warrington were a basket case as were HKR. Where as Bradford were the benchmark.

As someone who actually knows what he’s taking about ha I g Ben involved in the game at all levels for 40 year, RL is on the brink of a golden age.

When ASU’s sponsored Trinity they were amazed at the  FM it gave them. Ditto Matt Ellis has been surprised as to how far his money goes in RL and what he gets in return. 

He’s flirted in the past with buying Barnsley FC but soon realised that the money needed to catapult them to a top half Premiership club was beyond what he was willing to give.

Same applies to a lot of wealthy people, they want to own a successful sports club but not at the astronomical costs football demands.

Thats why RL is starting to attract such people. They can invest in RL without selling the family silver, yet still have a realistic chance of some success. They can have the fun and prestige at a fraction of the cost. More and more of these people will start to enter our game. Whist at the same time the super rich will not make it ridiculously uneven as in football. They have millions to spend not billions and that will do us fine.

Starting to attract such people? Which people are they, it’s hardly an ongoing trend. 

Edited December 12, 2024 by Eddie