EU Referendum

[ckn]

The Indy has gone all out for "in", as has the Guardian but in a more reserved way.

 

It'd be nice if there were a newspaper that I could trust to give the balanced view.

[gingerjon]

The Indy has gone all out for "in", as has the Guardian but in a more reserved way.

 

It'd be nice if there were a newspaper that I could trust to give the balanced view.

 

The FT and Economist are leaning full on for in but their analysis is pretty objective.

[Martyn Sadler]

"England is perhaps the only great country whose intellectuals are ashamed of their own nationality. In Left-wing circles it is always felt there is something slightly disgraceful in being an Englishman and that it is a duty to snigger at every British institution."

Wrong in that England is not alone in having intellectuals who are ashamed of their own nationality.

 

I misunderstood your point earlier. I thought you were claiming that Orwell was wrong in claiming that English intellectuals were ashamed of British institutions.

 

Which other country's intellectual class do you put in the same bracket?

[Wolford6]

The BBC is definitely slanting its coverage towards staying in.

 

Cameron has promised it something, I reckon.

[Wolford6]

Junker's thrown Cameron a bone and the Tory spaniel has come back home wagging his tail.

[bowes]

I misunderstood your point earlier. I thought you were claiming that Orwell was wrong in claiming that English intellectuals were ashamed of British institutions.

 

Which other country's intellectual class do you put in the same bracket?

It's hard to beat Sweden for hand wringing self loathing

[gingerjon]

The BBC is definitely slanting its coverage towards staying in.

 

Cameron has promised it something, I reckon.

 

Whatever JohnM puts in italics it's fairly standard for the BBC to treat the current government with kid gloves.

 

Partly it's because they, like so much of the newsmedia, boil it all down to personalities these days and so hardly spend anything on the specifics and implication of policy.

[gingerjon]

Monstrous Eurosceptic flirt Theresa May confirms she will campaign for IN.

 

This leaves Gove, and possibly BoJo, as the only Tories of any prominence on the OUT team.

[Griff9of13]

And it's here at last: David Cameron names 23 June for UK referendum on whether to stay in the EU

[Griff9of13]

Monstrous Eurosceptic flirt Theresa May confirms she will campaign for IN.

 

This leaves Gove, and possibly BoJo, as the only Tories of any prominence on the OUT team.

 

And Chris Grayling.

[gingerjon]

And Chris Grayling.

 

A titan of our age.

[Phil]

http://www.newstatesman.com/politics/2015/06/john-king-left-wing-case-leaving-eu

Another view

[gingerjon]

And Chris Grayling.

 

And Universal Credit maestro and former quiet man, Iain "Duncan" Smith.

[Martyn Sadler]

http://www.newstatesman.com/politics/2015/06/john-king-left-wing-case-leaving-eu

Another view

 

That's a very good article, but anyone who imagines the British establishment will allow us to leave the EU is living in a fantasy world.

 

Get ready for a repeat performance of 1975, when Benn, Powell, Foot and the rest were presented as eccentric at best, or nutters at worst.

[Just Browny]

The Out campaign is really assembling a remarkable cast list of weirdos.

[Saintslass]

The Out campaign is really assembling a remarkable cast list of weirdos.

That's what you get when you join the revolution!

[Wolford6]

Kate Hoey and Pritti Patel are outers according to The Times.

[ckn]

The "out" ministers join Farage and Galloway on the list of those strange folk that you really wouldn't want to be stuck in a lift with.

 

Cameron's playing a bit of brinkmanship though keeping the "out" ministers in the cabinet.  I know he wants to keep them ####### out the tent rather than into it but he's given them the credibility of being ministers of state rather than being frothy mouthed backbenchers.  None of them are what you'd call big personalities and need every bit of credibility they can get to make people listen to them.

[ckn]

Did you know that an Aussie living here with permanent right of residency can vote in the referendum but Nigel Farage's German wife can't unless she's taken British citizenship.  Bit of a strange distinction that one giving Commonwealth residents here the vote but not EU nationals who have been here for often decades.

[Methven Hornet]

I misunderstood your point earlier. I thought you were claiming that Orwell was wrong in claiming that English intellectuals were ashamed of British institutions.

 

Which other country's intellectual class do you put in the same bracket?

Scotland, Wales.

[Methven Hornet]

I misunderstood your point earlier. I thought you were claiming that Orwell was wrong in claiming that English intellectuals were ashamed of British institutions.

 

Which other country's intellectual class do you put in the same bracket?

Professor Adam Tomkins is a legal scholar and John Millar Professor of Public Law at the School of Law of the University of Glasgow. And the Conservative and Unionist Party's intellectual giant in Scotland.

And if you think that the Labour Party in Scotland can in any way be considered 'left', they have been reduced to a Scotland-loathing, militant British Nationalist rump (that is still trying to figure out where it all went wrong).

[Martyn Sadler]

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Professor Adam Tomkins is a legal scholar and John Millar Professor of Public Law at the School of Law of the University of Glasgow. And the Conservative and Unionist Party's intellectual giant in Scotland.

And if you think that the Labour Party in Scotland can in any way be considered 'left', they have been reduced to a Scotland-loathing, militant British Nationalist rump (that is still trying to figure out where it all went wrong).

 

And what do they say that shows they are ashamed of their own nationality?

[gingerjon]

anyone who imagines the British establishment will allow us to leave the EU is living in a fantasy world.

 

Why are we bothering with this then?

[Bedford Roughyed]

The out campaign is totally non establishment ... the press (express, mail, sun, times, telegraph), Lord Lawson et al, Farage, Owen Paterson, Gove, Redwood, etc, etc.

 

I'd say the establishment is as divided as the rest.

[gingerjon]

The out campaign is totally non establishment ... the press (express, mail, sun, times, telegraph), Lord Lawson et al, Farage, Owen Paterson, Gove, Redwood, etc, etc.

 

I'd say the establishment is as divided as the rest.

 

How dare you suggest that these are not noble freedom fighters taking direct inspiration from the Peasants Revolt.