ckn Posted July 14, 2017 Share Posted July 14, 2017 I'm so far out of practice at this sort of thing it's scary. I haven't looked for a permanent job since 2001. I left that company in 2007 and was self-employed until 2014 when I was all bar handed my NHS job following some work for them then. I've decided that I no longer want to be self-employed as well so... Today I started my job hunt properly. I've had my two weeks off since I left the NHS. My CV is done and reviewed over a week of tough love for it, it was painful cutting out the huge mass of things I wanted in there to get it anywhere near a reasonable size. Now, I need to find a job and I'm a bit stuck really. Anyone got any good job hunting tips? What sites do you use to hunt down jobs? Any good resources to use to help me get up to modern job hunting success? "When in deadly danger, when beset by doubt; run in little circles, wave your arms and shout" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Futtocks Posted July 14, 2017 Share Posted July 14, 2017 General jobsites: Reed, CV-Library, Indeed, JobSite, TotalJobs. Loads more of them, but the ones I've listed are more useable than most. You should also check out the Guardian's job site too. Also, there's a Civil Service jobsite, JobsGoPublic (local government jobs), NHS Jobs, CharityJob and other specialised sites, depending on what you're looking for. Get your CV reviewed by one of the free online services. Some of the sites I listed above offer that service, and even if you just get generic suggestions, it is worth having an outsider check it over for content and auto-scan compatible layout. Let me never fall into the vulgar mistake of dreaming that I am persecuted whenever I am contradicted. Ralph Waldo Emerson Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robin Evans Posted July 14, 2017 Share Posted July 14, 2017 So you gave the nhs the big FO..... can't say as I blame you. Nov 2018 can't come quick enough Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Derwent Posted July 14, 2017 Share Posted July 14, 2017 Executive-i.com is a good starting place for senior jobs I’m not prejudiced, I hate everybody equally Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ckn Posted July 14, 2017 Author Share Posted July 14, 2017 1 minute ago, Robin Evans said: So you gave the nhs the big FO..... can't say as I blame you. Nov 2018 can't come quick enough The NHS gave me the big FO... my entire service disestablished. Very few jobs around at my grade in the NHS that don't require stupid commutes. "When in deadly danger, when beset by doubt; run in little circles, wave your arms and shout" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
graveyard johnny Posted July 14, 2017 Share Posted July 14, 2017 did you work for the nhs? or were you self employed working for yourself contracting to the nhs? see you later undertaker - in a while necrophile Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Griff9of13 Posted July 14, 2017 Share Posted July 14, 2017 Are you looking for something in particular, if so try finding an agency that deal specifically in that area? Make sure your Linkedin profile is up to date and that it is obvious you are in the market, I've had plenty of recruiters approach me in the past from there. "it is a well known fact that those people who most want to rule people are, ipso facto, those least suited to do it." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robin Evans Posted July 14, 2017 Share Posted July 14, 2017 2 minutes ago, ckn said: The NHS gave me the big FO... my entire service disestablished. Very few jobs around at my grade in the NHS that don't require stupid commutes. That's the 2017 version of the nhs.... I hate what it's becoming. I really want out but finance dictated I stay for another 16 months. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ckn Posted July 14, 2017 Author Share Posted July 14, 2017 Just now, graveyard johnny said: did you work for the nhs? or were you self employed working for yourself contracting to the nhs? I went into the NHS to manage a graceful closedown of a regional commissioning support unit as an external consultant. At the end, I'd done enough that I was offered a permanent job running a NHS service covering about 1/6th of England. "When in deadly danger, when beset by doubt; run in little circles, wave your arms and shout" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
graveyard johnny Posted July 14, 2017 Share Posted July 14, 2017 suppose it depends on your age, what your happy doing, how much money you need to earn etc etc- I have never had a cv and only had 1 interview since 1984 (construction is very much who you know and how good you are), its all self employment these days and zero hours, try uber ? see you later undertaker - in a while necrophile Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
graveyard johnny Posted July 14, 2017 Share Posted July 14, 2017 some jobs are far more institutionalised than others, I know a mate that has worked on the same machine in the same factory for 28 years, I don't know where I am from one month to the next but that's what im used to where as he is used to that, it works for us both, its horses for courses with jobs, you never see any job ads for playboy magazine photographers come to think of it. see you later undertaker - in a while necrophile Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bedford Roughyed Posted July 14, 2017 Share Posted July 14, 2017 Linkedin is necessary these days it seems. With the best, thats a good bit of PR, though I would say the Bedford team, theres, like, you know, 13 blokes who can get together at the weekend to have a game together, which doesnt point to expansion of the game. Point, yeah go on! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chuffer Posted July 14, 2017 Share Posted July 14, 2017 34 minutes ago, Griff9of13 said: Make sure your Linkedin profile is up to date and that it is obvious you are in the market, I've had plenty of recruiters approach me in the past from there. This all day, it seems that "recruitment" these days involves scouring linkedin then sending someone a message saying "I have a position you may be interested in"........ok, 95% of them may be annoying recruitment consultants but my current position is due to an employer approaching me direct via linked in messages Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tim2 Posted July 14, 2017 Share Posted July 14, 2017 LinkedIn and recruitment companies are a pain in the butt for employers. They continually contact our better people trying to persuade them they need a new job. I know how sports team managers feel about players' agents. "I am the avenging angel; I come with wings unfurled, I come with claws extended from halfway round the world. I am the God Almighty, I am the howling wind. I care not for your family; I care not for your kin. I come in search of terror, though terror is my own; I come in search of vengeance for crimes and crimes unknown. I care not for your children, I care not for your wives, I care not for your country, I care not for your lives." - (c) Jim Boyes - "The Avenging Angel" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chuffer Posted July 15, 2017 Share Posted July 15, 2017 14 hours ago, tim2 said: LinkedIn and recruitment companies are a pain in the butt for employers. They continually contact our better people trying to persuade them they need a new job. I know how sports team managers feel about players' agents. which is precisely why it should be top of any employees list for putting themselves in the shop window its basically your online cv as bait on a website full of errm, sharks I guess Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spidey Posted July 15, 2017 Share Posted July 15, 2017 19 hours ago, chuffer said: This all day, it seems that "recruitment" these days involves scouring linkedin then sending someone a message saying "I have a position you may be interested in"........ok, 95% of them may be annoying recruitment consultants but my current position is due to an employer approaching me direct via linked in messages I find most are terrible and communication exchange. Had loads of leads and then zip that actually progressed to an interview. May just be my job sector Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Futtocks Posted July 15, 2017 Share Posted July 15, 2017 Recruitment agencies mainly look to have as many people as possible on their books, because it is good for their commercial figures. They can sometimes be useful, but often you sign up with them, get one or two leads, then nothing. Let me never fall into the vulgar mistake of dreaming that I am persecuted whenever I am contradicted. Ralph Waldo Emerson Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BryanC Posted July 15, 2017 Share Posted July 15, 2017 Sadly the vast majority of vacancies nowadays seem to be handled by recruitment agencies. I have found most of them to be next to useless. Bottom line is that your destiny is in the hands of the charming but vacuous Chantelle who is just out of college. She will be eager to please, but will never fully grasp what you do / have done in the past, no matter how many times you try to explain in words of one syllable. As a result, she will repeatedly offer you vacancies that have no relevance to you. She has beautiful nails, but sadly cannot spell or string a lucid sentence together and will sign off her emails with a kiss (x). (If you think I'm joking, I told one agency that I am interested in any Logistics Management positions that become available. To this day they are still sending me HGV driver vacancies). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chuffer Posted July 15, 2017 Share Posted July 15, 2017 it depends which industry you're in. If its a specialist technical then there are recruitment consultancies who specialise in your field and know exactly what you do and who is looking for your skillset, I wouldn't use them unless desperate though, they are leeches Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stan Doffarf Posted July 15, 2017 Share Posted July 15, 2017 2 hours ago, BryanC said: Sadly the vast majority of vacancies nowadays seem to be handled by recruitment agencies. I have found most of them to be next to useless. Bottom line is that your destiny is in the hands of the charming but vacuous Chantelle who is just out of college. She will be eager to please, but will never fully grasp what you do / have done in the past, no matter how many times you try to explain in words of one syllable. As a result, she will repeatedly offer you vacancies that have no relevance to you. She has beautiful nails, but sadly cannot spell or string a lucid sentence together and will sign off her emails with a kiss (x). (If you think I'm joking, I told one agency that I am interested in any Logistics Management positions that become available. To this day they are still sending me HGV driver vacancies). This, a thousand times. After four decades in HR, recruiting thousands of staff and applying for hundreds of jobs, I can safely say that recruitment consultancy is 1) money for old rope and 2) an almost complete waste of time in terms of effective recruitment, especially in these days of the internet. And when they found our shadows Grouped around the TV sets They ran down every lead They repeated every test They checked out all the data on their lists And then the alien anthropologists Admitted they were still perplexed But on eliminating every other reason For our sad demise They logged the only explanation left This species has amused itself to death No tears to cry no feelings left This species has amused itself to death Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ckn Posted July 15, 2017 Author Share Posted July 15, 2017 22 minutes ago, Stan Doffarf said: This, a thousand times. After four decades in HR, recruiting thousands of staff and applying for hundreds of jobs, I can safely say that recruitment consultancy is 1) money for old rope and 2) an almost complete waste of time in terms of effective recruitment, especially in these days of the internet. I think it was one of the worst mass decisions in corporate history to de-skill in-house recruitment teams and outsource it to agencies. "When in deadly danger, when beset by doubt; run in little circles, wave your arms and shout" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tongs ya bas Posted July 16, 2017 Share Posted July 16, 2017 On 14 July 2017 at 5:22 PM, Robin Evans said: So you gave the nhs the big FO..... can't say as I blame you. Nov 2018 can't come quick enough Damn shame. the service needs all the good people it can get. i can thoroughly recommend retirement though Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tongs ya bas Posted July 16, 2017 Share Posted July 16, 2017 the exigencies of putting food on the table and having a roof over your head notwithstanding, maybe taking a step back and thinking about what you really want to do would be an idea. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robin Evans Posted July 16, 2017 Share Posted July 16, 2017 14 minutes ago, Tongs ya bas said: Damn shame. the service needs all the good people it can get. i can thoroughly recommend retirement though The memsahib retired Dec 15, had 6 months off and was enticed back part time non-clinical facing doing special projects.... clinical audit, development etc as clinical advisor. She recommends retirement too. Working is much easier if you can walk away if you need to. My role has been so eroded since 2010, resources have become so limited, and my capacity now beyond critical, I have long since gone past the fk it barrier. I was persuaded to go part time a couple of months ago and I've off loaded some of my responsibilities. I now intend to job share from 11/2018 assumingI haven't walked by then. I would hate to be looking for work now. Dealing with recruitment agencies would make my skin creep. Repulsive creatures Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tongs ya bas Posted July 16, 2017 Share Posted July 16, 2017 5 minutes ago, Robin Evans said: The memsahib retired Dec 15, had 6 months off and was enticed back part time non-clinical facing doing special projects.... clinical audit, development etc as clinical advisor. She recommends retirement too. Working is much easier if you can walk away if you need to. My role has been so eroded since 2010, resources have become so limited, and my capacity now beyond critical, I have long since gone past the fk it barrier. I was persuaded to go part time a couple of months ago and I've off loaded some of my responsibilities. I now intend to job share from 11/2018 assumingI haven't walked by then. I would hate to be looking for work now. Dealing with recruitment agencies would make my skin creep. Repulsive creatures again, economic demands allowing; how about taking a look at what you really want to do? you have a great deal going for you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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