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1 hour ago, Bob8 said:

It turns out that I am good at interviews. I have been sent a contract and will hand my notice in before Christmas. 

Congratulations!  Brexit Secretary?

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I'm ###### at job interviews. The last one I did, I wouldn't have employed me! I was totally unprepared, believing that nearly 40 years' experience would allow me to wing it. No chance! Even a cursory internet search would have prepared me for the questions they asked - still wouldn't have got me the job, though! The one I felt really sorry for was the other candidate (yes, only two of us!), who was a young woman, fresh from college and desperate to find a job back in her home town. She didn't get it, either. They chose to readvertise. How bad can you get? We'd rather go through the time and expense of readvertising than give you the job!

Anyway, I'm sitting here at my computer, arsing about on a RL forum, sipping whisky, having just wrapped up for a fortnight's holiday after being told I actually have an extra day off - we don't restart until Tuesday 8th Jan - who won, me or the school? I still feel sorry for the young lass, though. Hope she found a job.

 

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Thank god I don't have to involve myself in the rat race anymore, age and health disqualifying me. When I think of some of the stunt's I used to pull in the past in the present climes I would probably be up in court on every charge imaginable under employment law and a few others. When I worked in local government one of the lads I was manager of who I was friendly with, we used to go to motor racing events and such like, told me he asked his co worker what he would do if he came up on the lottery and he replied the first thing he would do was pay someone to give me a beating and break my legs, In a perverse way I was quite proud of that. When you're dealing with a load of hairy arsed tradesmen of the old school you had to make your mark or be trampled underfoot so I must have been doing ok.

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9 hours ago, Bob8 said:

The forum people have known us for years. Any moment know lots of them will dismiss the idea that we are full of hot air and do not really know what we are talking about!!

Surely?

I think they are too overawed by our abilities to comment.

Build a man a fire, and he'll be warm for a day. Set a man on fire, and he'll be warm for the rest of his life. (Terry Pratchett)

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1 hour ago, gingerjon said:

I think they are too overawed by our abilities to comment.

Or, perish the thought, we just can't work out where to begin with your shortcomings? ?

NB. I am only kidding. Merry Christmas!

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1 hour ago, tonyXIII said:

Or, perish the thought, we just can't work out where to begin with your shortcomings? ?

NB. I am only kidding. Merry Christmas!

It’s okay. I’m quite able to look you in the eye and tell you that my biggest weakness is my modesty.

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I've almost given up on work, I'm 56, I'm struck off from a register that kept me occupied for 30 years, I have had two interviews in the last 5 years, I'm too old to be reoccupied because everyone is looking to the long game, 15 years until retirement is not long enough for most HR Secs, and once you have a 50+something dismissal on your CV, it tends to get binned straight away, those that aren't get DBS'ed then dismissed rather sharply, in favour of someone 35 years younger, who they can employ on less money per hour, Less hours per month, and on a weekly contract. Screw employers.

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10 minutes ago, Bleep1673 said:

I've almost given up on work, I'm 56, I'm struck off from a register that kept me occupied for 30 years, I have had two interviews in the last 5 years, I'm too old to be reoccupied because everyone is looking to the long game, 15 years until retirement is not long enough for most HR Secs, and once you have a 50+something dismissal on your CV, it tends to get binned straight away, those that aren't get DBS'ed then dismissed rather sharply, in favour of someone 35 years younger, who they can employ on less money per hour, Less hours per month, and on a weekly contract. Screw employers.

Don't put your age on your CV. I never do and legally no employer is allowed to ask for it (ageism).

I'm the same age as you, but then I'm still in possession of my youthful good looks. :D

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I do have the advantage of being a mature student who graduated in 2004, at the age of 40. And all my relevant work experience is after then, so judging from my CV they'd probably assume I was in my late 30s/early 40s.

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I don't put my age, or DoB, on my CV, but when I suggest I have worked in an Operating Theatre since 1984, most employers are suspicions about my 17-25 railcard, most employees want to know who, and where you have worked for in the last 10 years (Minimum), and why you left. I have gone from teaching Doctors how to do CPR, to cleaning trains (Maybe), (Or just loading/Unloading vans) inside three years.

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9 minutes ago, Griff9of13 said:

I do have the advantage of being a mature student who graduated in 2004, at the age of 40. And all my relevant work experience is after then, so judging from my CV they'd probably assume I was in my late 30s/early 40s.

I have 56 years of life experience, but 2 O Levels, no A Levels, and a C&G Certificate, none of which are provable. The chance of a new training course around here, where they favour the U-25's to get them into work, rather than retrain old Pharts like me, are unlikely. Unless it's heavy manual, or farm work 0600-1900 for minimum wage, picking fruit & veg, and then they want Eastern Europeans first.

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22 minutes ago, Bleep1673 said:

I have 56 years of life experience, but 2 O Levels, no A Levels, and a C&G Certificate, none of which are provable. The chance of a new training course around here, where they favour the U-25's to get them into work, rather than retrain old Pharts like me, are unlikely. Unless it's heavy manual, or farm work 0600-1900 for minimum wage, picking fruit & veg, and then they want Eastern Europeans first.

Apply for a Chief Exec role in the NHS, as long as you're not Harold Shipman your background won't hinder you.  Even then, I'm sure he have managed to get a job as CE somewhere based on his "efficiencies" with the frail and elderly.

Seriously though, why not send a very well drafted letter to the CEO/COO of places you want to work. Stalk them on Twitter and find out the type of business person they are and their interests. Explain bluntly but very politely that your age and skills are hitting the wall of HR gatekeepers and you'd really love a chance to work for them, then give a brief summary of the type of roles you'd like to get.  Highlight that you've got 15 years of career left but can't get past those gatekeepers into using your skills in a mutually beneficial way.

You'll get no reply from most, a polite rejection from a couple more with a forward to HR and maybe some other hints but it's probably your best chance to get into the type of job you want rather than chasing the job adverts into a job you'll put up with.

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I got a job in September after eight months of unemployment and a total of six interviews.  But although I started my present job in September, there was a job I applied for (and was interviewed for) earlier in the year that I really wanted.

I found out last week that I have secured the job I really wanted and I start in January.

I am to be a civil servant.  Gosh, that sounds posh!

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1 minute ago, Saintslass said:

I got a job in September after eight months of unemployment and a total of six interviews.  But although I started my present job in September, there was a job I applied for (and was interviewed for) earlier in the year that I really wanted.

I found out last week that I have secured the job I really wanted and I start in January.

I am to be a civil servant.  Gosh, that sounds posh!

You know what they say about civil servants? They are rarely civil and rarely serve.

Joking aside, well done and good luck.

 

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38 minutes ago, Saintslass said:

I got a job in September after eight months of unemployment and a total of six interviews.  But although I started my present job in September, there was a job I applied for (and was interviewed for) earlier in the year that I really wanted.

I found out last week that I have secured the job I really wanted and I start in January.

I am to be a civil servant.  Gosh, that sounds posh!

Congratulations!

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5 hours ago, Bleep1673 said:

I've almost given up on work, I'm 56, I'm struck off from a register that kept me occupied for 30 years, I have had two interviews in the last 5 years, I'm too old to be reoccupied because everyone is looking to the long game, 15 years until retirement is not long enough for most HR Secs, and once you have a 50+something dismissal on your CV, it tends to get binned straight away, those that aren't get DBS'ed then dismissed rather sharply, in favour of someone 35 years younger, who they can employ on less money per hour, Less hours per month, and on a weekly contract. Screw employers.

Don't give up.  I'm 54 and I've just landed what could be the best job I've ever had.  One good thing about the endless tests I had to complete for the civil service is that it was only at the very last minute, when they had to run a security check on me, that I was asked for my age and at no time did they ask for my qualifications.  They run endless competency based tests and their interviews are competency based.  Doing the competency gubbins takes a bit of getting used to - I applied for loads of jobs in the civil service before I finally struck lucky - but practice makes perfect and the range of jobs is massive.  Just saying.

PS: Try to apply to those places that don't seem to care about age.  They do exist.  Have you tried your local council?  While some of them appear to break the law (yes, I'm looking at you St Helens and Wigan councils) by forcing you to submit your date of birth before you can move on during the application process, they do offer a range of jobs, some of which may suit you, and contrary to popular belief, they are recruiting.

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Chatting to people at my new job, a large number of them all came through the same agency as I did, Atwood Tate, who specialise in a certain area of work. In their case, it is publishing and jobs that pertain to the publishing business. 

Finding a company or industry, then trying to discover who their go-to agency is, is something I should have done much sooner.

"We are easily breakable, by illness or falling, or a million other ways of leaving this earthly life. We are just so much mashed potato."  Don Estelle

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If you do join a Local Authority from the private sector the first thing you have to do is engage second gear, even the most mundane of things take forever to reach a decision over, don't display initive, your superiors just think your after their job that they have spent years nest building, and for god's don't suggest or expect change, even in these modern times if a job has been done one way for the last fourty years that's how it should continue to be done no matter what advances in technology may have happened. Your biggest enemy will be frustration, accept it for what it is, laugh to yourself how things  work, keep your mind active elsewhere and see your time out.

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2 hours ago, Clogiron said:

If you do join a Local Authority from the private sector the first thing you have to do is engage second gear, even the most mundane of things take forever to reach a decision over, don't display initive, your superiors just think your after their job that they have spent years nest building, and for god's don't suggest or expect change, even in these modern times if a job has been done one way for the last fourty years that's how it should continue to be done no matter what advances in technology may have happened. Your biggest enemy will be frustration, accept it for what it is, laugh to yourself how things  work, keep your mind active elsewhere and see your time out.

I’m not disagreeing but that’s a terrible situation 

"Freedom without socialism is privilege and injustice, socialism without freedom is slavery and brutality" - Mikhail Bakunin

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40 minutes ago, Phil said:

I’m not disagreeing but that’s a terrible situation 

 

39 minutes ago, Saintslass said:

It's pretty accurate!  (I've worked for four different local authorities over the years including very recently … nothing changes!)

I'm afraid it fits in with my experience as well. I've worked with government agencies at local, regional and national level and they've all been the same. IMO it's why government IT projects tend to be late, over budget and poor quality; no one ever wants to take responsibility for making decisions. Simple things that in the private sector get authorised by fairly junior to mid manager level staff in a day or so tales weeks of chasing via committees and up to senior management in the civil service. Like has been said above, it can be very frustrating.

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