Denver NZ v England test is "certain" to go ahead

[Davo5]

4 minutes ago, Tex Evans Thigh said:

Great to see the English and Kiwi players understanding and appreciating the benefits of this game and that the international game is the best tool to expand the profile of RL.

No surprise that Australians don't like it but the hypocrisy is shocking. Origin is fine (even though we're repeatedly told its the toughest RL game), even with players backing up literally the next day. Send people on a flight longer than 3 hours and all of a sudden its a health and safety issue.

I'm coming to the conclusion that Australians want the sport for themselves, see it as an Australian sport and anything else other than NRL and Origin is an inconvenience at best and disliked at worst.

Funny how the NRL clubs are not worried about traveling to the USA to start the 2019 season.

[deluded pom?]

24 minutes ago, Davo5 said:

Funny how the NRL clubs are not worried about traveling to the USA to start the 2019 season.

They obviously think anyone but themselves are incompetent and can’t organise this kind of fixture.

[deluded pom?]

2 hours ago, Copa said:

salary cap exemptions for players injured on rep duty are reasonable.

That’s for the clubs and the NRL to decide but a rep game is a rep game whether it’s an international or an inter state game.

[Copa]

Just now, deluded pom? said:

That’s for the clubs and the NRL to decide but a rep game is a rep game whether it’s an international or an inter state game.

Yes. And if you go from one rep game, to 2, to 3, to 4, to 5 etc it’s good to get all the appropriate systems and checks and balances in place. In that context it’s perfectly reasonable for the players’ main employers to ask that appropriate safeguards for their businesses are in place.

[Copa]

31 minutes ago, Davo5 said:

Funny how the NRL clubs are not worried about traveling to the USA to start the 2019 season.

You don’t know who is or isn’t worried. It’s also part of their own business and their employees are still working for them.

[Davo5]

48 minutes ago, Copa said:

You don’t know who is or isn’t worried. It’s also part of their own business and their employees are still working for them.

So there concerns about the effects of long distance travel on 1 or 2 of their players is somehow diminished if they travel as a full squad for their club rather than a national team.

[Scubby]

1 hour ago, Tex Evans Thigh said:

Great to see the English and Kiwi players understanding and appreciating the benefits of this game and that the international game is the best tool to expand the profile of RL.

No surprise that Australians don't like it but the hypocrisy is shocking. Origin is fine (even though we're repeatedly told its the toughest RL game), even with players backing up literally the next day. Send people on a flight longer than 3 hours and all of a sudden its a health and safety issue.

I'm coming to the conclusion that Australians want the sport for themselves, see it as an Australian sport and anything else other than NRL and Origin is an inconvenience at best and disliked at worst.

IMO the NRL sees themselves as an NFL-style organision where no permission is required to tinker or shape the sport (they are the custodians of) to meet there own ends. More new rules like 2 refs, stopped clocks on virtually everything, less subs, the bunker are shaping it into a different product. They feel that it isn't necessary to request such changes to the game as a whole. Sod the rest.

As a result, this has provoked SL into doing its own stuff like free play etc. and quite frankly it is creating one big mess. What the hell do amateur clubs do about rules of SL?

[johnny plath]

20 minutes ago, Davo5 said:

So there concerns about the effects of long distance travel on 1 or 2 of their players is somehow diminished if they travel as a full squad for their club rather than a national team.

no the point @copa makes is they (NRL) have control over when the game is played, which teams are involved, and when they back up.  I for example if its played as a season opener it could be played as a thurs/fri fixture, and then those teams involved not play until last day of the following round as a home fixture.. minimal as possible disruption with long turn around.  They could also be in US early with decent time to prepare and do promo work.   The point is it would be under control of the NRL and worked out in the context of the whole draw overall.  Folks here are far to precious (or just like whining about stuff thats not real) and think because the NRL want to control and organise events like this that involve them they don't think other organisations are capable, but  imo its about having a broader context of their own comp and working around its constraints. 

[ghost crayfish]

11 hours ago, Tex Evans Thigh said:

Great to see the English and Kiwi players understanding and appreciating the benefits of this game and that the international game is the best tool to expand the profile of RL.

No surprise that Australians don't like it but the hypocrisy is shocking. Origin is fine (even though we're repeatedly told its the toughest RL game), even with players backing up literally the next day. Send people on a flight longer than 3 hours and all of a sudden its a health and safety issue.

I'm coming to the conclusion that Australians want the sport for themselves, see it as an Australian sport and anything else other than NRL and Origin is an inconvenience at best and disliked at worst.

The club's are self-interested to the detriment of the game, but the suggestion that 'Australians want the game for themselves' is ridiculous. Clubs accept origin because it makes them huge money through the TV deal. Clubs accept minimal Australian tests for similar reasons - part of the TV deal. Clubs don't like this test because it's a mid-year disruption that won't give them anything. Their attitude is pure self-interest and not in the best interests of the broader game, of course, but the suggestion that 'Australia' doesn't want the game to succeed overseas is stupid. There's no great conspiracy, just narrow minded self-interest by a few club bosses. The same thing that has stopped the game expanding within Australia - and the same thing behind SL club bosses wanting to breakaway from the lower tiers in England.

[Big Picture]

4 hours ago, Tex Evans Thigh said:

Great to see the English and Kiwi players understanding and appreciating the benefits of this game and that the international game is the best tool to expand the profile of RL.

No surprise that Australians don't like it but the hypocrisy is shocking. Origin is fine (even though we're repeatedly told its the toughest RL game), even with players backing up literally the next day. Send people on a flight longer than 3 hours and all of a sudden its a health and safety issue.

I'm coming to the conclusion that Australians want the sport for themselves, see it as an Australian sport and anything else other than NRL and Origin is an inconvenience at best and disliked at worst.

They've been so used to being the big player in the game for so long that it's natural for them to assume that everything in the game revolves around Australia.  It's probably quite humbling for them to see that promoting the sport in the US not only doesn't rely on them, but in fact it depends on having two other countries involved.

[Odsal Outlaw]

16 hours ago, Allora said:

Is there any need to type the way you talk?

People often sing without accents.

 

I don’t think there is any need to to pick at how someone types, speakes or whatever. Stick to the debate.

[deluded pom?]

3 hours ago, Odsal Outlaw said:

I don’t think there is any need to to pick at how someone types, speakes or whatever. Stick to the debate.

What does speakes even mean?

[Odsal Outlaw]

1 hour ago, deluded pom? said:

What does speakes even mean?

Touché 

[andyscoot]

15 hours ago, Tex Evans Thigh said:

I'm coming to the conclusion that Australians want the sport for themselves, see it as an Australian sport and anything else other than NRL and Origin is an inconvenience at best and disliked at worst.

They're a massive fish in a ridiculously small pond and don't want that pond to get bigger. They don't want RL to be a truly international sport because that threatens their position as the best which in turns threatens their position financially.

[EastLondonMike]

Seen a few things on Facebook tonight that suggest the USA v Canada game is going to form a double header.

I haven't looked but apparently the official stadium Facebook page is saying this. 

[Yakstorm]

4 hours ago, EastLondonMike said:

Seen a few things on Facebook tonight that suggest the USA v Canada game is going to form a double header.

I haven't looked but apparently the official stadium Facebook page is saying this. 

The official event site says there will be at least a curtain raiser. Most likely will be USA v Canada or Jamaica.

Kick off for that game is at 12pm, with main game at 2pm.

 

[Man of Kent]

40k minimum crowd is the target, says Jason Moore. They will use the Denver Broncos database. Tickets $19-$120

Ambitious but not outlandish, I’d say.

Their thinking is giving ‘football’ fans a similar game to watch outside the NFL season will be a hit.  

[DoubleD]

Do we know what date it will be in 2019?

[Cowardly Fan]

Sensible getting access to the database as part of the deal, though depends how often and wide they are allowed to push it. 

They will need a proper marketing plan beyond that though to hit 40k (not saying they don't).

I'd guess 40k is around break even for them based on those prices and the guaranteed fees. 

[Scubby]

16 minutes ago, DoubleD said:

Do we know what date it will be in 2019?

January 1st I would imagine.

[Kayakman]

10 minutes ago, Scubby said:

January 1st I would imagine.

That would be a massive monumental error in timing...College Football Bowl season.  Can't be on that date...should be in July.

Jan 1 not on period.

[Scubby]

1 minute ago, Kayakman said:

That would be a massive monumental error in timing...College Football Bowl season.  Can't be on that date...should be in July.

Jan 1 not on period.

woosh!

[Copa]

55 minutes ago, Man of Kent said:

40k minimum crowd is the target, says Jason Moore. They will use the Denver Broncos database. Tickets $19-$120

Ambitious but not outlandish, I’d say.

Their thinking is giving ‘football’ fans a similar game to watch outside the NFL season will be a hit.  

Man city v Roma got 54,117 at the same stadium a few years ago.

[Dave T]

8 hours ago, Man of Kent said:

40k minimum crowd is the target, says Jason Moore. They will use the Denver Broncos database. Tickets $19-$120

Ambitious but not outlandish, I’d say.

Their thinking is giving ‘football’ fans a similar game to watch outside the NFL season will be a hit.  

Good that there is some real ambition there.

If we get 40k for this, that will be brilliant and a real marker.

As would over 30k.

Over 20k would be very good.

10-20k, ok but slightly disappointing.

<10k would be disappointing.

[deluded pom?]

3 hours ago, Dave T said:

Good that there is some real ambition there.

If we get 40k for this, that will be brilliant and a real marker.

As would over 30k.

Over 20k would be very good.

10-20k, ok but slightly disappointing.

<10k would be disappointing.

Man of Kent will be happy if they get 40,000. There will still be 36,000 seats left to count.