Lack of respect for referees.

[fairfolly]

Goose, 

          I only directed the post to you because you quoted in your earlier post " the referees know the rules and enforce them".My  opinion is that maybe they do but sometimes they come across as not being to sure.

[gavin7094]

6 hours ago, Dave T said:

You can't condemn people for their actions and then defend it because a sports decision may or may not have been wrong. 

And the try hadn't been disallowed, the ref had simply gone to the VR, and in fact sent it up as a try. But that was enough for the rabid idiots.

Wasn't defending them. I was pointing out why they might have been so angry. Their behaviour was way beyond the 'normal' abuse of the ref.  Personally I think they should have been, at the very least, ejected and, possibly, arrested (depending on the nature of it). Let's not kid ourselves that this is either new or getting worse though.  Been going on since I first started watching in 1975.

[The Hallucinating Goose]

41 minutes ago, fairfolly said:

Goose, 

          I only directed the post to you because you quoted in your earlier post " the referees know the rules and enforce them".My  opinion is that maybe they do but sometimes they come across as not being to sure.

Fair enough fairfolly, I get where you're coming from. 

[gittinsfan]

I've never agreed with refs calling players by their first name.I don't think it encourages respect and sometimes sounds a bit too friendly.

When did this practice start.Anyone know.

[deluded pom?]

2 hours ago, Leeds Wire said:

https://www.wigantoday.net/sport/shaun-wane-says-robert-hicks-was-right-to-rule-out-wigan-warriors-try-1-9765248

What’s it got to do with a rugby union coach?

[deluded pom?]

3 hours ago, Just Browny said:

Incidentally, not sure if you saw but Rod Studd asked Ian Smith (former ref) on Twitter about the Sarginson 'no try', and Smith confirmed that the interpretation changed to the one used yesterday some years ago in response to a view within the game that there needed to be a black and white way of ruling on those sorts of situation. And that the conclusion reached was that if it hits your arm and goes forward, even in effecting a tackle, it is a knock on.

In a game that’s not televised it’s a try IMO.

[Dave T]

5 minutes ago, deluded pom? said:

In a game that’s not televised it’s a try IMO.

Yes, and nobody would bat an eyelid. That's why for me it should be given.

The 2nd one, not at all. Same as the Rhinos two.

[Dave T]

37 minutes ago, gittinsfan said:

I've never agreed with refs calling players by their first name.I don't think it encourages respect and sometimes sounds a bit too friendly.

When did this practice start.Anyone know.

What should they call them?

[Phil]

3 minutes ago, Dave T said:

What should they call them?

Their number, “number 10 come here” 

[ELBOWSEYE]

3 hours ago, Dave T said:

Yep, the reason I linked the two in the OP is because I think the way the players behave with refs will have an influence on the fan's behaviour too. 

It is also much harder to control fans, and you do get the mob mentality element, plus the fact that whilst unpleasant much of it is legal really. But as a game we seem to be sending out the message that we are accepting of this constant questioning and intimidation of the referee from players, so why would fans act differently?

Can't argue with that, but on fans we have all played games were the local fans just came to vent their anger at opposition players and the referee and most of these were women. On the players the referee can stamp this out easily but they choose not too. Look how the play the ball instants have drastically reduced ( I bet Charnley won't do that again).

[gittinsfan]

2 minutes ago, Dave T said:

What should they call them?

They've got numbers.

[BadlyOverdrawnBoy]

Refs are like politicians. Everyone says they could do a better job themselves, but very, very few actually put themselves up for it. And we need both.

[wackojacko]

Pleased to hear about the Jack Owens ruling but I'd really like the RFL to come out and say it's totally unacceptable, that players will be binned and then it's up to the refs to back themselves. I thought Gutherson in that Parra game should have been off for ten almost the moment he started talking to Perenara, no respect whatsoever. And it just bleeds into the game at all levels. Reffing some amateur matches where there are no stewards around must be pretty scary and it's the amateur game that will suffer most from a lack of officials.

[Kayakman]

2 hours ago, Phil said:

Their number, “number 10 come here” 

Or by their position or by their last name.   What are we running?... some type of pre school daycare program?

[Dave T]

2 hours ago, Phil said:

Their number, “number 10 come here” 

That doesn't demonstrate respect tbf.

[Dave T]

2 hours ago, gittinsfan said:

They've got numbers.

Why treat them like pieces of meat, there is no respect there.

[Kayakman]

Just now, Dave T said:

Why treat them like pieces of meat, there is no respect there.

Then call them by their last names...that is what they have printed on the back of the shirt....that or their number/position.

[Denton Rovers RLFC]

2 hours ago, Phil said:

Their number, “number 10 come here” 

Agreed, Or the surname as per the jersey. As ex army i called my son by our surname only a lot for quite a long time.

[Dave T]

Using just the surname or number is just weird. This isnt the army, and that isnt what we should be going for.

[Denton Rovers RLFC]

43 minutes ago, Dave T said:

Why treat them like pieces of meat, there is no respect there.

What are you talking about, they are being identified for a misdemeanour most of the time, tte players don't call tte ref by his first game, does that mean its disrespectful? Utter rot!.

[gittinsfan]

51 minutes ago, Dave T said:

Why treat them like pieces of meat, there is no respect there.

I think they use the numbers in Union.Whatever you may think of that code there is not the lack of respect that is happening in League.

[Dave T]

16 minutes ago, Denton Rovers RLFC said:

What are you talking about, they are being identified for a misdemeanour most of the time, tte players don't call tte ref by his first game, does that mean its disrespectful? Utter rot!.

No, they call him sir to show respect.

The ref using the players first name, like a teacher would (not a teacher from the 50's) shows respect. 

I don't see any issue with using a first name in the slightest. A few years back there was an issue with using nicknames, I agree that went too far and it was stopped.

[Dave T]

12 minutes ago, gittinsfan said:

I think they use the numbers in Union.Whatever you may think of that code there is not the lack of respect that is happening in League.

I think Union generally has a decent level of respect for the refs, but I don't think that is because they call players as a number rather than their first name.

[gittinsfan]

2 minutes ago, Dave T said:

I think Union generally has a decent level of respect for the refs, but I don't think that is because they call players as a number rather than their first name.

When did League start doing it,do you have any idea.Is it just a SL ,SKY thing?

And what do refs do when they don't know the name,because I'm sure they can't know everyone?

[Dave T]

Just now, gittinsfan said:

When did League start doing it,do you have any idea.Is it just a SL ,SKY thing?

And what do refs do when they don't know the name,because I'm sure they can't know everyone?

Obviously they havent always been mic'd up so don't know for sure, but as long as we have heard the ref they have used player names.

I have heard them use a number before, so assume that must be when they don't really know the person or forget the name.

My personal view on this is that it is very easy to have a respectful conversation where a first name and sir are used.