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Hi, what sort of crowds are there at NCL games please? I’ve looked online and can’t find anything. Is it the case that some of the top teams are as big as some League One teams but for whatever reason they don’t want to progress into that division?

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NCL teams can't progress to the semi-pro ranks because, apart from a couple, their grounds don't meet the criteria. My club get attendances of around 30/40 in NCL division 3. We were averaging 70 in higher divisions a few years ago when I kept records.

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On 24/06/2019 at 15:59, Eddie said:

Hi, what sort of crowds are there at NCL games please? I’ve looked online and can’t find anything. Is it the case that some of the top teams are as big as some League One teams but for whatever reason they don’t want to progress into that division?

I (and others) do a headcount at NCL games I (they) attend - mainly because attendance figures are never published. Four-figure crowds very much the exception!

Here's a sample, from the last three seasons:

2019: Batley Boys (v Millom) 148; Eastmoor (v Drighlington) 208; Hensingham (v Eastmoor) 90; Heworth (v Woolston) 120; Lock Lane (v Longhorns, Chall Cup) 300; Stanningley (v Saddleworth) 140. Reported by others: Barrow Island (v Wigan St Judes) 86, (v Shaw Cross) 130; Beverley (v East Leeds) 175; Gateshead (v Batley Boys) 50, (v Leigh East) 30; Hensingham (v Woolston) 90; Leigh Miners (v Egremont) 550; Normanton (v Fev Lions) 300; Pilks (v Stanningley) 55; Saddleworth (v Myton) 210; Skirlaugh (v Fev Lions) 90; Thatto Heath (v Underbank) 142; Waterhead (v Heworth) 80; West Hull (v Siddal) 175; Wigan St Judes (v West Bowling) 150; Wigan St Pat's (v Pilks) 250.

2018: Beverley (v SCR) 140; West Hull (v Longhorns, Chall Cup) 200. Reported by others: Dewsbury Celtic (v Eastmoor) 120; Dewsbury Moor (v Stanningley) 190, (v Drighlington) 150; Drighlington (v West Bowling) 200; East Leeds (v West Bowling) 97; Eastmoor (v Clock Face) 150; Gateshead (v Barrow Island) 40; HCP (v Wath Brow) 200; Ince Rose Bridge (v Leigh Miners) 200, (v Thornhill) 170; Kells (v Wath Brow) 600, (v Orrell SJ, Chall Cup) 220; Milford (v Oulton) 137, (v Leigh Miners) 190; SCR (v Beverley) 50; Shaw Cross (v Oulton) 120; Siddal (v Egremont) 200; Stanley (v SCR) 70; Stanningley (v Askam) 120, (v East Leeds) 500; West Bowling (v Leigh East) 100; West Hull (v HCP) 100.

2017: Barrow Island (v West Bowling) 130, (v Eastmoor) 110; Clock Face (v Gateshead) 185; Kells (v West Hull) 180; Rylands (v Waterhead) 170; West Bowling (v Dewsbury Moor) 120. Reported by others: Barrow Island (v Clock Face) 125; Clock Face (v Elland) 120, (v Barrow Island) 75; Dewsbury Celtic (v Elland) 150, (v Dewsbury Moor) 500; Dewsbury Moor (v Stanningley) 140, (v Barrow Island) 100; Drighlington (v Wigan St Judes) 106; East Leeds (v Oulton) 180, (v HCP) 340; Eastmoor (v Woolston) 130; Elland (v Gateshead) 65, (v Waterhead) 55; Hunslet Warriors (v Saddleworth) 145; Kells (v Egremont) 300; Leigh Miners (v West Hull) 500; Lock Lane (v Fev Lions) 300; Milford (v Fev Lions) 110; Millom (v Askam) 250; Pilks (v Leigh Miners) 125, (v Wigan St Pats) 150; Siddal (v Egremont) 350; Stanley (v Rylands) 60; Stanningley (v Gateshead) 70; Thatto Heath (v Mayfield) 180; Underbank (v Lock Lane) 150; West Bowling (v Clock Face) 120, (v Dewsbury Celtic) 150; Wigan St Pats (v Mayfield) 200.

To compare with non-NCL amateur clubs:

2019: Bentley (v The Army, Chall Cup) 650; Brotherton (v Dodworth) 90; Goole (v Keighley Albion) 118, (v Dewsbury Moor) 130; Nottingham (v New Earswick) 41; Stainland (v Goole) 37. Reported by others: All Golds (v Valley Cougars) 40; Blackpool Scorpions (v Cadishead) 80; Cardiff (v All Golds) 44; Durham (v Cramlington) 30; Higginshaw (v Bolton) 50; Langworthy (v Chorley) 140; Maryport (v Cockermouth) 120; Oxford (v Cheltenham) 75; Torfaen (v Swindon) 65.

2018: Allerton Bywater (v Queensbury) 45; Distington (v Queens, Chall Cup) 250; Ellenborough (v Distington) 175; King Cross Park (v Wibsey) 91; Lindley (v Upton) 95; Queensbury (v Keighley Albion) 135; Sherburn (v Crofton) 135; University of Hull (v Myton, Chall Cup) 150. Reported by others: Army (v Milford, Chall Cup) 100; Bath (v Somerset) 65; Bedford (v Luton) 100+; Boothtown (v West Hull A) 90; Brighouse (v Elland) 180; Cheltenham (v All Golds) 80; Crigglestone (v Wyke) 40; Hensingham (v Distington) 200; Manchester R (v Chorley) 25; Newham (v Medway) 10; Nottingham (v Bentley) 75; Reading (v Oxford) 60; Seacroft (v Beeston) 50; Scarborough (v Birstall) 100+; Sheffield Forgers (v Dearne Valley) 25; South Leeds (v West Hull A) 60; Three Tuns (v Langwith) 50; Wigan St Cuthbert's (v Ulverston) 140.

2017: Beverley (v Siddal Academy) 150; Boothtown (v Allerton Bywater) 96; Bramley (v Brighouse) 140; Crigglestone (v Cutsyke) 49; Glasson (v Hensingham) 105; Haydock (v Thornhill, Chall Cup) 525; Seaton (v Hensingham) 204. Reported by others: Aspatria (v Cockermouth) 160; Bath (v Bristol) 30; Bentley (v North Hull) 80; Birmingham (v NE Worcs) 35; Bristol (v Bath) 40; Broughton RR (v Flimby) 120; Cheltenham (v Gloucs W) 28; Ellenborough (v Walney) 180, (v Hensingham) 150; Flimby (v Cockermouth) 115; Forest (v Glos Warriors) 30; Glasson (v Ulverston) 75; Hindpool (v Orrell SJ A) 120; Keighley Albion (v Skirlaugh A) 140, (v Mirfield) 100; Halton SC (v Halton FH) 180; Langworthy (v Manchester R) 140; Latchford (v Haresfinch) 50; Leicester (v Northampton) 65; Manchester R (v Chorley) 180; Newsome (v Illingworth) 75; Nottingham (v East Hull) 60; Ossett (v Crigglstone) 80; Queensbury (v Bentley) 200; St Joseph's (v King Cross Park) 30; Seaton (v Ellenborough) 215; South London (v Newham) 9; Standard Cup Final @ Oldham RU (OSA v Mayfield) 750; Torfaen (v West Wales) 82.

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We used to keep a record and publish it in the results section in our matchday programme, but hasn't been getting done past couple of years by the looks of it. We (Hunslet CP) average about 180 (based on paying spectators) but can be as low as 70 in bad weather and easily 400+ in better weather. All that said we're expecting upwards of 500 this weekend in great weather against top of the table West Hull - who will bring a fair few over themselves I should imagine. 

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1 hour ago, hunsletgreenandgold said:

We used to keep a record and publish it in the results section in our matchday programme, but hasn't been getting done past couple of years by the looks of it. We (Hunslet CP) average about 180 (based on paying spectators) but can be as low as 70 in bad weather and easily 400+ in better weather. All that said we're expecting upwards of 500 this weekend in great weather against top of the table West Hull - who will bring a fair few over themselves I should imagine. 

Why are HCP separate from Hunslet (League One version)? I can see you wear the same colours and I know their nickname is the Parksiders so what’s the history of the split, if there was one? 

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Never been to a Cumbrian derby but went to the Leigh derby between Miners and Easts in October 2011 and the attendance was 578.The League weekly and I think the league Express gave the attendances in those days and suddenly stopped in 2013?

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3 hours ago, neutralfan said:

Never been to a Cumbrian derby but went to the Leigh derby between Miners and Easts in October 2011 and the attendance was 578.The League weekly and I think the league Express gave the attendances in those days and suddenly stopped in 2013?

They are great when they are competitive, many of the players have worked together or went to school together and are friends, as are many of the spectators, so it makes for a real rivalry. This weekends game between Egremont and Wath Brow should be a real humdinger. I would have Egremont as slight favourites but it could go either way.


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9 hours ago, Hopping Mad said:

I (and others) do a headcount at NCL games I (they) attend - mainly because attendance figures are never published. Four-figure crowds very much the exception!

Here's a sample, from the last three seasons:

2019: Batley Boys (v Millom) 148; Eastmoor (v Drighlington) 208; Hensingham (v Eastmoor) 90; Heworth (v Woolston) 120; Lock Lane (v Longhorns, Chall Cup) 300; Stanningley (v Saddleworth) 140. Reported by others: Barrow Island (v Wigan St Judes) 86, (v Shaw Cross) 130; Beverley (v East Leeds) 175; Gateshead (v Batley Boys) 50, (v Leigh East) 30; Hensingham (v Woolston) 90; Leigh Miners (v Egremont) 550; Normanton (v Fev Lions) 300; Pilks (v Stanningley) 55; Saddleworth (v Myton) 210; Skirlaugh (v Fev Lions) 90; Thatto Heath (v Underbank) 142; Waterhead (v Heworth) 80; West Hull (v Siddal) 175; Wigan St Judes (v West Bowling) 150; Wigan St Pat's (v Pilks) 250.

2018: Beverley (v SCR) 140; West Hull (v Longhorns, Chall Cup) 200. Reported by others: Dewsbury Celtic (v Eastmoor) 120; Dewsbury Moor (v Stanningley) 190, (v Drighlington) 150; Drighlington (v West Bowling) 200; East Leeds (v West Bowling) 97; Eastmoor (v Clock Face) 150; Gateshead (v Barrow Island) 40; HCP (v Wath Brow) 200; Ince Rose Bridge (v Leigh Miners) 200, (v Thornhill) 170; Kells (v Wath Brow) 600, (v Orrell ST, Chall Cup) 220; Milford (v Oulton) 137, (v Leigh Miners) 190; SCR (v Beverley) 50; Shaw Cross (v Oulton) 120; Siddal (v Egremont) 200; Stanley (v SCR) 70; Stanningley (v Askam) 120, (v East Leeds) 500; West Bowling (v Leigh East) 100; West Hull (v HCP) 100.

2017: Barrow Island (v West Bowling) 130, (v Eastmoor) 110; Clock Face (v Gateshead) 185; Kells (v West Hull) 180; Rylands (v Waterhead) 170; West Bowling (v Dewsbury Moor) 120. Reported by others: Barrow Island (v Clock Face) 125; Clock Face (v Elland) 120, (v Barrow Island) 75; Dewsbury Celtic (v Elland) 150, (v Dewsbury Moor) 500; Dewsbury Moor (v Stanningley) 140, (v Barrow Island) 100; Drighlington (Wigan St Judes) 106; East Leeds (v Oulton) 180, (v HCP) 340; Eastmoor (v Woolston) 130; Elland (v Gateshead) 65, (v Waterhead) 55; Hunslet Warriors (v Saddleworth) 145; Kells (v Egremont) 300; Leigh Miners (v West Hull) 500; Lock Lane (v Fev Lions) 300; Milford (v Fev Lions) 110; Millom (v Askam) 250; Pilks (v Leigh Miners) 125, (v Wigan St Pats) 150; Siddal (v Egremont) 350; Stanley (v Rylands) 60; Stanningley (v Gateshead) 70; Thatto Heath (v Mayfield) 180; Underbank (v Lock Lane) 150; West Bowling (v Clock Face) 120, (v Dewsbury Celtic) 150; Wigan St Pats (v Mayfield) 200.

To compare with non-NCL amateur clubs:

2019: Bentley (v The Army, Chall Cup) 650; Brotherton (v Dodworth) 90; Goole (v Keighley Albion) 118, (v Dewsbury Moor) 130; Nottingham (v New Earswick) 41; Stainland (v Goole) 37. Reported by others: All Golds (v Valley Cougars) 40; Blackpool Scorpions (v Cadishead) 80; Cardiff (v All Golds) 44; Durham (v Cramlington) 30; Higginshaw (v Bolton) 50; Langworthy (v Chorley) 140; Maryport (v Cockermouth) 120; Oxford (v Cheltenham) 75; Torfaen (v Swindon) 65.

2018: Allerton Bywater (v Queensbury) 45; Distington (v Queens, Chall Cup) 250; Ellenborough (v Distington) 175; King Cross Park (v Wibsey) 91; Lindley (v Upton) 95; Queensbury (v Keighley Albion) 135; Sherburn (v Crofton) 135; University of Hull (v Myton, Chall Cup) 150. Reported by others: Army (v Milford, Chall Cup) 100; Bath (v Somerset) 65; Bedford (v Luton) 100+; Boothtown (v West Hull A) 90; Brighouse (v Elland) 180; Cheltenham (v All Golds) 80; Crigglestone (v Wyke) 40; Hensingham (v Distington) 200; Manchester R (v Chorley) 25; Newham (v Medway) 10; Nottingham (v Bentley) 75; Reading (v Oxford) 60; Seacroft (v Beeston) 50; Scarborough (v Birstall) 100+; Sheffield Forgers (v Dearne Valley) 25; South Leeds (v West Hull A) 60; Three Tuns (v Langwith) 50; Wigan St Cuthbert's (v Ulverston) 140.

2017: Beverley (v Siddal Academy) 150; Boothtown (v Allerton Bywater) 96; Bramley (v Brighouse) 140; Crigglestone (v Cutsyke) 49; Glasson (v Hensingham) 105; Haydock (v Thornhill, Chall Cup) 525; Seaton (v Hensingham) 204. Reported by others: Aspatria (v Cockermouth) 160; Bath (v Bristol) 30; Bentley (v North Hull) 80; Birmingham (v NE Worcs) 35; Bristol (v Bath) 40; Broughton RR (v Flimby) 120; Cheltenham (v Gloucs W) 28; Ellenborough (v Walney) 180, (v Hensingham) 150; Flimby (v Cockermouth) 115; Forest (v Glos Warriors) 30; Glasson (v Ulverston) 75; Hindpool (v Orrell SJ A) 120; Keighley Albion (v Skirlaugh A) 140, (v Mirfield) 100; Halton SC (v Halton FH) 180; Langworthy (v Manchester R) 140; Latchford (v Haresfinch) 50; Leicester (v Northampton) 65; Manchester R (v Chorley) 180; Newsome (v Illingworth) 75; Nottingham (v East Hull) 60; Ossett (v Crigglstone) 80; Queensbury (v Bentley) 200; St Joseph's (v King Cross Park) 30; Seaton (v Ellenborough) 215; South London (v Newham) 9; Standard Cup Final @ Oldham RU (OSA v Mayfield) 750; Torfaen (v West Wales) 82.

I wondered who that was with the abacus at games 🙂

That's an impressive list, and also a bit geeky (no offence intended)!

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8 hours ago, DoubleD said:

I wondered who that was with the abacus at games 🙂

That's an impressive list, and also a bit geeky (no offence intended)!

It's my inner anorak. :-)

Cumbria comes out of this pretty well, I thought.

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On 26/06/2019 at 16:27, Eddie said:

Why are HCP separate from Hunslet (League One version)? I can see you wear the same colours and I know their nickname is the Parksiders so what’s the history of the split, if there was one? 

Warriors are an amalgamation of a few clubs.


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Hunslet (League one club) are semi professional and are separate from with Hunslet Club Parkside (formerly Hunslet Old Boys) who are an amateur club. Hunslet Warriors are an amalgamation of Bison Sports, Brassmoulders and Garden Gate. I think that's correct according to my records.

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What I have witnessed in summer rugby is that even wen their has been a large crowd the clubhouses arnt as busy as they were in winter as people either sit outside with a beer or get off to go to other activities, unlike winter wen everyone went in the club for a few beers and socialised

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On 26/06/2019 at 16:27, Eddie said:

Why are HCP separate from Hunslet (League One version)? I can see you wear the same colours and I know their nickname is the Parksiders so what’s the history of the split, if there was one? 

Yeah so I can see a few people have replied and they’re quite right. Just to add a little more, we’ve moved to the ‘Ozzie’ style green and gold since the Hunslet Old Boys/Parkside Juniors merger (2014). Old Boys colours were similar before that just with more white in there too. The new colours reflect the emblem (my avatar) of The Hunslet club, not necessarily Hunslet RLFC, whose official colours are Myrtle and Flame. Nickname wise Hunslet RLFC are the Parksiders - their old stadium was near to where the Parkside Juniors played, Hence their name. Our nickname is and always will be ‘Old Boys’. Hope this helps

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On 30/06/2019 at 21:55, Eddie said:

Thanks. So are the two clubs on friendly terms or do you see each other as rivals, or neither? Hi 

Yeah pretty friendly. I think we could make closer ties in terms of player development and bashed heads a couple of times over playing friendlies but overall it's not a bad relationship. Hunslet Warriors on the other hand......

I jest, all us Hunslet teams get on just fine, until we play each other haha. 

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The game was played at Mount Pleasant there first home game in the NCL we played them a few weeks back a twenty minutes walk from there to the pitch less than 100 there the majority at our side of the ground.

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