Players situation when we leave the EU

[The Future is League]

If and when we leave the EU some clubs are clearly going to struggle for players as any new labour laws will favour UK citizens over non UK citizens. 

The days of the has been's and never was players from the NRL will be coming to an end and obviously so will the short term solution and really some clubs need to get their junior development sorted and soon. Thoughts.

[Lowdesert]

Not sure, but do Labour laws do that?  It should be a straightforward work visa just the same as it was pre EU but certainly the loss of the free gangway will get in the way if clubs take the same urgency as they did getting visas to play TWP.

Junior development?  100% they should.

[Moscow01]

How would the United Kingdom leaving the European Union affect immigration laws on Australian and New Zealand players? 

 

[Wellsy4HullFC]

What are the new labour laws?

[Lowdesert]

1 minute ago, Wellsy4HullFC said:

What are the new labour laws?

I think he means laws, generally.  

 

[Private Baldrick]

20 minutes ago, Lowdesert said:

I think he means laws, generally.  

 

What laws... generally?

[Toby Chopra]

Obviously there's a load of unknowns about what sort of deals get done with EU and other countries after Brexit, but on the face of it, the country that will suffer most is France. 

Young French players will no longer automatically be able to sign up for stints at Pro or semi pro UK clubs, or work in UK while playing amateur. This will stiffle the development of the French game, which is a shame. Catalans and Toulouse will also have to look closely at things becasue at the moment their participation involves no extra paperwork or red tape. 

Brexit will make no difference to the import of Aussies or Kiwis becasue the UK already has full control over work permits for visitors from there. Indeed if you listen to the suggestions of some of our leaders who are keen for trade deals with those countries, it'll probably end up easier for their players to work here as such access is always part of trade talks. 

[marklaspalmas]

What about Aussies playing in the UK who didn't need work visas because they have EU passports (through parents & grandparents) for European countries other than UK? Surely they will be affected?

[Oxford]

5 minutes ago, Toby Chopra said:

after Brexit, but on the face of it, the country that will suffer most is France. 

Young French players will no longer automatically be able to sign up for stints at Pro or semi pro UK clubs, or work in UK while playing amateur.

Yes but we'll have blue passports!

[deluded pom?]

3 minutes ago, marklaspalmas said:

What about Aussies playing in the UK who didn't need work visas because they have EU passports (through parents & grandparents) for European countries other than UK? Surely they will be affected?

I’m sure they will mark. 

[deluded pom?]

1 minute ago, Oxford said:

Yes but we'll have blue passports!

Yawn.

[Private Baldrick]

8 minutes ago, Oxford said:

Yes but we'll have blue passports!

Somewhere there is a village missing it's principal employee. 

[Toby Chopra]

10 minutes ago, marklaspalmas said:

What about Aussies playing in the UK who didn't need work visas because they have EU passports (through parents & grandparents) for European countries other than UK? Surely they will be affected?

Yes, in principle they will. Anyone know roughly how many used that route? Presumably all the ones that played for Italy probably did. 

[Lowdesert]

12 minutes ago, Toby Chopra said:

Obviously there's a load of unknowns about what sort of deals get done with EU and other countries after Brexit, but on the face of it, the country that will suffer most is France. 

Young French players will no longer automatically be able to sign up for stints at Pro or semi pro UK clubs, or work in UK while playing amateur. This will stiffle the development of the French game, which is a shame. Catalans and Toulouse will also have to look closely at things becasue at the moment their participation involves no extra paperwork or red tape. 

Brexit will make no difference to the import of Aussies or Kiwis becasue the UK already has full control over work permits for visitors from there. Indeed if you listen to the suggestions of some of our leaders who are keen for trade deals with those countries, it'll probably end up easier for their players to work here as such access is always part of trade talks. 

Agree with the Southern Hemisphere lads, but why shouldn’t it just be a case of a work visa?  I really don’t know but Europeans have worked across in the uk for a very long time.

 

[Toby Chopra]

1 minute ago, Lowdesert said:

Agree with the Southern Hemisphere lads, but why shouldn’t it just be a case of a work visa?  I really don’t know but Europeans have worked across in the uk for a very long time.

 

Well, as I said, we don't know what the post Brexit set up will be yet, it could range from virtually identical to the free movement we have now, all the way to strict minimum income requirements linked to government-identified labour shortages with lengthy and expensive application processes. We just don't know.

But the closer it is to the latter the more complicated and restricted it will be for French players to have the stints in UK they have know, which is so helpful for their rugby league education before they reach the top level. 

Established French internationals, like the PNG and Pasifika players we see, shouldn't have a problem as on the whole that's usually the standard that work permit applications for all sports set. 

[Oxford]

18 minutes ago, deluded pom? said:

Yawn.

Finding this boring are you?

15 minutes ago, Private Baldrick said:

Somewhere there is a village missing it's principal employee

What a tease you are.

If neither of you  care about this say so.

Just watching a programme about Windrush and the whole thing was based on those that don't care and wouldn't have noticed.

 

 

[Private Baldrick]

1 minute ago, Oxford said:

Finding this boring are you?

What a tease you are.

If neither of you  care about this say so.

Just watching a programme about Windrush and the whole thing was based on those that don't care and wouldn't have noticed.

 

 

O.K...…..I don't care, because what will be will be. Whatever happens things will be sorted.

[Oxford]

1 minute ago, Private Baldrick said:

O.K...…..I don't care

 

1 minute ago, Private Baldrick said:

Whatever happens things will be sorted.

Or not

[deluded pom?]

14 minutes ago, Oxford said:

Finding this boring are you?

Very. You’re a remoaner. And boy do you like to remind us at every opportunity.

[David Shepherd]

1 hour ago, The Future is League said:

If and when we leave the EU some clubs are clearly going to struggle for players as any new labour laws will favour UK citizens over non UK citizens. 

The days of the has been's and never was players from the NRL will be coming to an end and obviously so will the short term solution and really some clubs need to get their junior development sorted and soon. Thoughts.

Conversely, if the CANZUK free trade and free movement area comes into being, Kiwis, Aussies and even Canadians will find it much easier to ply their trade over here and vice versa. 

[Smudger06]

Can't imagine any significant changes regarding sportsperson visas, either tier 2 or the option of tier 5 if signed for 12 months or less. 

The French players will fall easily into these categories alongside Australians & Kiwis etc. 

No major issues should occur. 

 

[Toby Chopra]

30 minutes ago, Smudger06 said:

Can't imagine any significant changes regarding sportsperson visas, either tier 2 or the option of tier 5 if signed for 12 months or less. 

The French players will fall easily into these categories alongside Australians & Kiwis etc. 

No major issues should occur. 

 

For French players, both of those visas involve more red tape, cost, English proficiency standards and limits on family members than they face now. There's also restrictions on what sort of secondary jobs they can take - bar work or site work not necessarily allowed if main sponsor is sports club. 

As I say, top players will still come and some younger ones will be worth the effort, but there will be others who no longer come over. Arguably it opens up a space for English players so no loss to the local game in the short run, but I think it's in our interest to help build the game in France. It's in our interest for links between the French game and English to get stronger, not weaker. This will be a step backwards for that. 

[The Dude]

Do swiss teams have trouble signing players for soccer?

[Essai Machine]

3 minutes ago, scotchy1 said:

Switzerland is part of the Schengen Area. The Swiss aren't stupid. They know the value of the free movement of people. 

Try telling that to Steve McQueen !

[Copa]

2 hours ago, marklaspalmas said:

What about Aussies playing in the UK who didn't need work visas because they have EU passports (through parents & grandparents) for European countries other than UK? Surely they will be affected?

I suspect all minor UK sports will be able to ride the coattails of the huge lobbying power and popularity of UK soccer and the sport visa system it demands from politicians.

They may not get exactly what they want but they’ll influence it that’s for sure.