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3 hours ago, Raumati Rugby said:

as is the CEO who will be the front for the racist owner.

This bit is as unnecessary as it is stupid.

 

3 hours ago, Raumati Rugby said:

TWP will be nowhere near SL unless they're paying for flights.....you didn't hear it here first, because you didn't want to.

This bit remains to be seen but I have seen it posted, a few hundred times I think, and that was only Parky. And I responded to it, and so did some others. I'm not sure why you feel the need to say it again unless you're a fan of films that need subtitles?

 


 

 

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6 hours ago, Omott91 said:

Who and when did anybody call for you to be banned?

 You keep posting this yet there is no evidence of this ever happening.

 Stop being disingenuous and lying. 

I have never said that either and I'm Parky's biggest critic. I put him on ignore because he says the same thing over and over again. He is very insulting in a general sense but that's largely because anyone who doesn't agree with him not being clever enough to spot the truth when it hits them in the face.

He says if TWP join SL one English club will go into decline and ignores the fact that whoever replaces one club according to the rules of the competition the club going down may indeed decline. In this he totally ignores the role of P&R which he championed ad infinitum before its return . Neither the Bulls nor Widnes were replaced by TWP.

I have to say that he cuts a lonely figure in my ignore pile because he's not there for the same reasons as the others, though without him and them the place is a lot more agreeable as an experience. Though no less disagreeing!

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16 minutes ago, Oxford said:

I have never said that either and I'm Parky's biggest critic. I put him on ignore because he says the same thing over and over again. He is very insulting in a general sense but that's largely because anyone who doesn't agree with him not being clever enough to spot the truth when it hits them in the face.

He says if TWP join SL one English club will go into decline and ignores the fact that whoever replaces one club according to the rules of the competition the club going down may indeed decline. In this he totally ignores the role of P&R which he championed ad infinitum before its return . Neither the Bulls nor Widnes were replaced by TWP.

I have to say that he cuts a lonely figure in my ignore pile because he's not there for the same reasons as the others, though without him and them the place is a lot more agreeable as an experience. Though no less disagreeing!

If you have him on ignore at least have the decency to stop posting about him.

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18 hours ago, Moove said:

No he didn't. What he actually said was "I like Toulouse and I rate them highly. Toulouse and Perpignan together would be very attractive for a French broadcaster, with one home game in France taking place every week. I certainly think that would be an interesting prospect for the competition"

No sorry, when the SL bosses first met TO in France when they had a big dinner event around 2012 they were all for TO to be in Superleague but told them they must contribute to the TV money and produce players, both of which Catalans had been lax in doing. 

Lenegan and McManus were there cheerleading the idea of Touluse, and have done this ever since, and now are openly talking about accepting them into Superleague next year and are looking with Elstone and the two french clubs for a TV deal now, based on them both being in Superleague next year providing a french home game every week and three french derbies.

Hey- what's not to like there but there is more........?

A deal that would involve not just TV money but French SL players in both sides and of course the catalans reserves and the toulouse reserves who play in the French Competition, also qualify TO to be in Superleague. Please remember Argyle ignored this mandatory entry requirement that already disqualifies TWP.

A French deal could also boost the french playing numbers and bring back a meaningful Great Britain versus France test match series??

Hey - what about that that was the whole point of French expansion? How can Canadian expansion ever bring us test matches?

Your "point" is so narrow with respect it's no point at all. I may be wrong but it appears inconceivable that the two top SL bosses who have neen  backed by several other SL bosses in working towards Toulouse coming in for a number of years, in which Toulouse have french players, have reserves and have every chance of being part of a french TV deal and GB test games...........

Would just abandon their plans for france and all that hard work to allow a team into Superleague they see as a "Team of antipodeans and English players dressed up in  canadian jerseys" As McManus called them and I am sure his colleagues agree.....

I know that there is an idea if TWP win it they go up, but I am afraid that if they do go up what a booby prize that would be for the SL bosses who have had their hearts set on more from France for some years now. You have to remember my friend that Toronto have no right to enter SL if SL says no. They have been saying yes to France for years now and the signs are really good for more French players, GB/French Tests, French derbies, bigger French TV deal with a game shown every week.

The overwhelming evidence across several seasons now is Superleague want and can have Toulouse next year. Aren't Toulouse signing to play in a bigger stadium??

 

12 hours ago, dealwithit said:

Bob Hunter has overseen the growth of B.C. Place Stadium, Rogers Centre, Scotiabank Arena and BMO Field. Now he is looking to help take the Toronto Wolfpack to the next level.

I think you might be wrong. 

Well after my post above you may need to think again, but better than that actually look up the whole story about Superleague and the inclusion of France. I've set out the basics for you above, but all the ya-boo aside Superleague really do need to move on Toulouse now.

As for Bob Hunter, I  wonder what length of contract has he signed? Three months may be enough to firstly see TWP maintain their proud best to see the season out to the play off final which I think they will do as sportsmen. 

After that they will carry on whilst Superleague decide who to promote, and make no mistake again, they do not have to promote TWP and have refused entry to member clubs before (never mind how long ago this was) it still stands.

If they are in SL then Mr. Hunter can look forward to a contract extension, rather than see his last month out selling off the playing staff and what few other assets they may have, before looking to wind up the Ltd. Company BUT.........

Toronto and Argyle actually may surprise me (well shock me) and others and may stay in the Championship to fight on to earn a Superleague place another day (how he will manage to field reserves though I don't know). I think that the reason Ottawa backed off starting 2020 was to see what happens with TWP.   Perez was going to at least hire a coach but I think he even backed off that?

Finally Mr. Hunter must still talk about promotion and finding a bigger ground, if the beer tents get wind of a block on TWP for SL (I think dropping the last two regular season games from TV was a signal) ticket sales would plummet for the play offs.

They would not even be able to "give tickets away" (sorry guys could not resist)

3 hours ago, SL17 said:

If you have him on ignore at least have the decency to stop posting about him.

Thanks for that your a Gentleman.  It's gone on for three years now and I'm pretty immune to it. I take my dressings down from the Mods if I go too far, and I don't report anyone to them because those two Gentlemen have better things to do.

I look at it like this SL17 = If they are concentrating on insulting me and demonising me then it only shows they cannot actually engage in the facts of the matter to hand. 

As we approach what may be the ultimate moment in the ultimate debate I can only reflect just how much evidence there is - so much from the SL horses mouth - that whatever happens Toulouse are most likely going up and not TWP.

I also reflect how Argyle backed off some weeks ago, when maybe he got the word himself (for I cannot believe that true gentlemen can look to be pre-deciding Toulouse are going up without privately telling Mr. Argylle in advance) I think Mr. Argyle may have been told and that's why he's pretty much gone to ground.

I know there's this idea Hunter is looking to "take TWP to the next level" (rather than see the season out, and wind things up with minimum losses) but they are hardly going to say that are they.....  

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1 hour ago, The Parksider said:

Your "point" is so narrow with respect it's no point at all. I may be wrong but it appears inconceivable that the two top SL bosses who have neen  backed by several other SL bosses in working towards Toulouse coming in for a number of years, in which Toulouse have french players, have reserves and have every chance of being part of a french TV deal and GB test games

The point was simply that you made something up and presented it as fact, that is all. Regardless of how inconceivable it may appear to be to you and I

1 hour ago, The Parksider said:

No sorry

Apology accepted. Just don't lie about things being in respected publications like League Express when they're clearly not

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12 hours ago, Omott91 said:

 

 You keep posting this yet there is no evidence of this ever happening.

 Stop being disingenuous and lying. 

But he does it so well.

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1 hour ago, The Parksider said:

 

As for Bob Hunter, I  wonder what length of contract has he signed? Three months may be enough to firstly see TWP maintain their proud best to see the season out to the play off final which I think they will do as sportsmen. 

After that they will carry on whilst Superleague decide who to promote, and make no mistake again, they do not have to promote TWP and have refused entry to member clubs before (never mind how long ago this was) it still stands.

If they are in SL then Mr. Hunter can look forward to a contract extension, rather than see his last month out selling off the playing staff and what few other assets they may have, before looking to wind up the Ltd. Company BUT.........

Toronto and Argyle actually may surprise me (well shock me) and others and may stay in the Championship to fight on to earn a Superleague place another day (how he will manage to field reserves though I don't know). I think that the reason Ottawa backed off starting 2020 was to see what happens with TWP.   Perez was going to at least hire a coach but I think he even backed off that?

Finally Mr. Hunter must still talk about promotion and finding a bigger ground, if the beer tents get wind of a block on TWP for SL (I think dropping the last two regular season games from TV was a signal) ticket sales would plummet for the play offs.

They would not even be able to "give tickets away" (sorry guys could not resist)

Thanks for that your a Gentleman.  It's gone on for three years now and I'm pretty immune to it. I take my dressings down from the Mods if I go too far, and I don't report anyone to them because those two Gentlemen have better things to do.

I look at it like this SL17 = If they are concentrating on insulting me and demonising me then it only shows they cannot actually engage in the facts of the matter to hand. 

As we approach what may be the ultimate moment in the ultimate debate I can only reflect just how much evidence there is - so much from the SL horses mouth - that whatever happens Toulouse are most likely going up and not TWP.

I also reflect how Argyle backed off some weeks ago, when maybe he got the word himself (for I cannot believe that true gentlemen can look to be pre-deciding Toulouse are going up without privately telling Mr. Argylle in advance) I think Mr. Argyle may have been told and that's why he's pretty much gone to ground.

I know there's this idea Hunter is looking to "take TWP to the next level" (rather than see the season out, and wind things up with minimum losses) but they are hardly going to say that are they.....  

If you watched the video you could hear straight from the horses mouth. Argyle and Wolfpack are looking straight at SL. They want to improve Lamport. They want to grow the brand. The new Chair/CEO has plenty of runs onthe board. 

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1 hour ago, The Parksider said:

Lenegan and McManus were there cheerleading the idea of Touluse, and have done this ever since, and now are openly talking about accepting them into Superleague next year and are looking with Elstone and the two french clubs for a TV deal now, based on them both being in Superleague next year providing a french home game every week and three french derbies.

They could admit both clubs if they chose to expand SL.

 I think that the reason Ottawa backed off starting 2020 was to see what happens with TWP.   Perez was going to at least hire a coach but I think he even backed off that?

Ottawa's association with OSEG and now Wolfpack's with MLSE is one great big synergy. Two big sports and entertainment groups are very interested in the future of rugby league in Canada - early days, but this has a lot of potential. MLSE is jointly owned by Rogers and Bell (as another poster pointed out in a thread that disappeared overnight) and these two corporations control all the major sports tv channels in the country. As tv deals are one of your biggest complaints, you'll want to keep an eye on this unfolding.

Finally Mr. Hunter must still talk about promotion and finding a bigger ground,

Wolfpack are happy at Lamport and Bob Hunter, on the day his appointment was made public, is already talking about fixing it up. It's the perfect location and very fan friendly. But the Wolfpack don't own it, so any negotiations will be done with the city. Which is exactly how BMO Field went through two expansions.

if the beer tents get wind of a block on TWP for SL (I think dropping the last two regular season games from TV was a signal) ticket sales would plummet for the play offs.

Not a chance. You've entered the land of wishful thinking.

 I can only reflect just how much evidence there is - so much from the SL horses mouth - that whatever happens Toulouse are most likely going up and not TWP.

The only place I'm hearing this is your posts.

 I think Mr. Argyle may have been told and that's why he's pretty much gone to ground.

David Argyle has been a very visible presence at the last three home games and will be at all the rest. He also spoke at last night's Tackle Talks, a Q&A/meet the team event for fans, and introduced Bob Hunter. There's no doubt that reaching Super League is this season's goal. David always does the rounds and greets many fans personally. That's not my definition of 'gone to ground'.

Thing is, Parky, you are trying to paint a picture of a team unravelling when the evidence on the ground is exactly the opposite. I'm not fussed if this is what you believe, but I hope others aren't taking your wishful thinking as gospel.

 

 

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4 hours ago, The Parksider said:

I think that the reason Ottawa backed off starting 2020 was to see what happens with TWP.   Perez was going to at least hire a coach but I think he even backed off that?

For the first time in FOREVER I actually agree with you. No point in starting a project when you know it's just going to lead to a dead-end.

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11 minutes ago, TIWIT said:

For the first time in FOREVER I actually agree with you. No point in starting a project when you know it's just going to lead to a dead-end.

Personally I think that was a contributing factor, another being that they were approved so late in the season (after the watershed on out of contract players signing for new clubs was lifted)

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Just now, Tommygilf said:

Personally I think that was a contributing factor, another being that they were approved so late in the season (after the watershed on out of contract players signing for new clubs was lifted)

Good point. And had it even been firmly established that they were going to start in League 1. Maybe those clubs, already facing an uncertain future, didn't want the added expense of coming to Canada and would prefer Ottawa start in the Championship.

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2 hours ago, Loup said:

MLSE is jointly owned by Rogers and Bell (as another poster pointed out in a thread that disappeared overnight)

You're right, it's gone. Not moved, removed. Very strange. Wonder why?

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I'm tired of constant references to Parksider and his convictions and of his own repetitive ranting. 

I tried to get him to acknowledge that everyone here is unaware of the details of any agreement Toronto have with SuperLeague, so largely commenting in ignorance. That didn't conform to his dogmatic spin.

My gut feeling is that David Argyle has not invested a huge sum of money hoping that SL will be nice to him without any black and white contractual assurances from them. That idea is, quite frankly, laughable and is behaviour more akin to a car boot sale entrepreneur than a billionaire business man.

I am less confident however, that the captains of industry that run our SuperLeague clubs will not renege (or try to) on any deal previously negotiated on their behalf.

I think that's more likely, than Argyle being a fool, but I hope they are men of integrity and honour their part of the bargain.

Anyway we shall see, in a few weeks time all will be revealed and at least half of all this unpleasant angry banter will be proven, nothing more than hot air. 

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27 minutes ago, fighting irish said:

Anyway we shall see, in a few weeks time all will be revealed and at least half of all this unpleasant angry banter will be proven, nothing more than hot air. 

I fully agree frighting. There is way too much opinionated speculation about closed door negotiations. I guess that is what forums are for though.

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4 hours ago, TIWIT said:

You're right, it's gone. Not moved, removed. Very strange. Wonder why?

Because it was all a load of bull...Noble is still on the team, the new fella Argyle brought in is a cracker and everything is just hunky dory in the New World...WOW!...did the claws of the Naysayers ever come out on this one...pitiful...just pitiful.

I think they got declawed.

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2 minutes ago, Kayakman said:

Because it was all a load of bull...Noble is still on the team, the new fella Argyle brought in is a cracker and everything is just hunky dory in the New World...WOW!...did the claws of the Naysayers ever come out on this one...pitiful...just pitiful.

I think they got declawed.

It probably got deleted after a certain user accused the forum of being run by "Fascists" for them daring to question his assertions that TWP were dead in the water and that the dream of Rugby League in NA was dying.

As for the management shakeup at TWP, as I posted elsewhere:

6 minutes ago, CanadianRugger said:

I think what we are seeing now is Argyle separating the business aspects of the club from the Rugby guys.  That's why Martin Vickers is heading up the UK Company and why Bob Hunter and John Pellatt have been brought in on the NA side of the house.  Brian Noble is a great rugby mind but he isn't a businessman.  He got the Rugby team up and running but now they have brought in actual business people to run the financial/infrastructure side of the club and let people like Brian Noble and Brian McDermott focus on what they are good at:

Running a Rugby team.

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15 minutes ago, CanadianRugger said:

It probably got deleted after a certain user accused the forum of being run by "Fascists" for them daring to question his assertions that TWP were dead in the water and that the dream of Rugby League in NA was dying.

As for the management shakeup at TWP, as I posted elsewhere:

Sounds about right....that Big V8 North American engine is just starting to rev....what are they going to do when we open her up on the highway?

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15 hours ago, Oxford said:

 I put him on ignore because he says the same thing over and over again.

Well people ignore the same thing over and over again, anyway something new for you to ponder below.

10 hours ago, Moove said:

The point was simply that you made something up and presented it as fact, that is all. Just don't lie about things being in respected publications like League Express when they're clearly not

If you can't hold your manners and want to call me a liar here's the League Express article, if you don't believe it then contact League Express, but I have the cutting in front of me now......

Lenegan backs Toulouse

By Mike Rylance – League Express  21-5-2012

Wigan chairman Ian Lenegan has given his support to Toulouse’s bid for Superleague in 2015…Lenegan was invited to speak last week at a dinner attended by over 200 guests from the business and sporting world. Speaking in French Lenegan addressed members of the Table D’Ovale, an organisation funded by Chairman Carlos Zalduendo to promote the club to important figures in Toulouse, before emphasising the importance of Toulouse’s application to the (English) competition…

The Wigan Chairman explained…Four major clubs – Wigan, Leeds, St.Helens and Warrington had also met and backed Toulouse for entry to Superleague 2015. Lenegan said he was well aware of the economic potential of Toulouse and the mid-pyrenes region which he saw as an excellent opportunity for development. 

He explained Toulouses application would need to be backed by the development of French players playing at that level, a viable financial plan, a TV deal and a stadium which met the necessary standards.

Following a long ovation Lenegan was succeeded by Francois Briancon Deputy Mayor of Toulouse with responsibility for Sport in the city……..

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Later than planned In 2016 Toulouse duly returned to the British game and worked their way up to the top end of the Championship where they are now. Audois recently noted a move soon to Stade Ernest Wallon. In addition Toulouse qualify on the criteria of a reserves side with the Toulouse Olympic Broncos.

As said before Elstone has been dealing with the TV situation and is looking for a two club package deal providing a French home SL game every week and of course three French derby games with Les Catalans. It’s quite clear who the very top four Superleague bosses – Ian Lenegan, Eamon McManus, Simon Moran and Paul Caddick are backing to join Superleague next season, and that is Toulpuse Olympic who they have been backing since 2012.

Given the derogatory comments about Toronto Wolfpack from McManus the other week, Toronto being squeezed out of even qualifying for Superleague on the no reserves issue, and Ian Lenegan’s continued thumbs up for Toulouse again this week I cannot logically see any other situation than Toulouse for Superleague, given the overwhelming evidence for that scenario.

Add to that Danny Lockwoods assertion if TWP were to win the play off, Superleague would be “Ready with their excuses” to ignore them. It does not take a genius to conclude Toulouse are red hot favourites to get the thumbs up for  entry to Superleague by meeting all the criteria asked of them in 2012 by the top four clubs who have always favoured them for SL, and have nothing much to say about TWP.

You just need to look these things up......... Apology please if you are such a Gentleman?

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On 14/08/2019 at 14:33, The Parksider said:

and only last monday in League Express lenegan confirmed he'd like to push for Toulouse as well

You said last Monday in the post I replied to. Unless we've all gone back in a time machine, last Monday wasn't when the 2012 article you've now changed to was published. Nice try though

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53 minutes ago, The Parksider said:

You just need to look these things up......... Apology please if you are such a Gentleman?

Parky, Toulouse can go up; all they have to do is best Toronto at home.   But we are playing very good rugby right now.....so I think we will go up instead!

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So currently there is no French TV deal (for next year). If Toulouse get promotion (and good luck to them), there is still no TV deal on the table.  There is no evidence that there is a French TV company willing to pay just because there are two French teams in SL, that is just wild speculation.

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23 hours ago, The Parksider said:

Well people ignore the same thing over and over again, anyway something new for you to ponder below.

If you can't hold your manners and want to call me a liar here's the League Express article, if you don't believe it then contact League Express, but I have the cutting in front of me now......

Lenegan backs Toulouse

By Mike Rylance – League Express  21-5-2012

Wigan chairman Ian Lenegan has given his support to Toulouse’s bid for Superleague in 2015…Lenegan was invited to speak last week at a dinner attended by over 200 guests from the business and sporting world. Speaking in French Lenegan addressed members of the Table D’Ovale, an organisation funded by Chairman Carlos Zalduendo to promote the club to important figures in Toulouse, before emphasising the importance of Toulouse’s application to the (English) competition…

The Wigan Chairman explained…Four major clubs – Wigan, Leeds, St.Helens and Warrington had also met and backed Toulouse for entry to Superleague 2015. Lenegan said he was well aware of the economic potential of Toulouse and the mid-pyrenes region which he saw as an excellent opportunity for development. 

He explained Toulouses application would need to be backed by the development of French players playing at that level, a viable financial plan, a TV deal and a stadium which met the necessary standards.

Following a long ovation Lenegan was succeeded by Francois Briancon Deputy Mayor of Toulouse with responsibility for Sport in the city……..

________________________________________________________________________________

Later than planned In 2016 Toulouse duly returned to the British game and worked their way up to the top end of the Championship where they are now. Audois recently noted a move soon to Stade Ernest Wallon. In addition Toulouse qualify on the criteria of a reserves side with the Toulouse Olympic Broncos.

As said before Elstone has been dealing with the TV situation and is looking for a two club package deal providing a French home SL game every week and of course three French derby games with Les Catalans. It’s quite clear who the very top four Superleague bosses – Ian Lenegan, Eamon McManus, Simon Moran and Paul Caddick are backing to join Superleague next season, and that is Toulpuse Olympic who they have been backing since 2012.

Given the derogatory comments about Toronto Wolfpack from McManus the other week, Toronto being squeezed out of even qualifying for Superleague on the no reserves issue, and Ian Lenegan’s continued thumbs up for Toulouse again this week I cannot logically see any other situation than Toulouse for Superleague, given the overwhelming evidence for that scenario.

Add to that Danny Lockwoods assertion if TWP were to win the play off, Superleague would be “Ready with their excuses” to ignore them. It does not take a genius to conclude Toulouse are red hot favourites to get the thumbs up for  entry to Superleague by meeting all the criteria asked of them in 2012 by the top four clubs who have always favoured them for SL, and have nothing much to say about TWP.

You just need to look these things up......... Apology please if you are such a Gentleman?

Good grief man, your much touted claim from Lenegan is from over seven years ago! Ancient history as far as the game is concerned! A lot has changed since then, not the least of it being the existence of the Wolfpack and their successful expansion of the game into North America. Toulouse has had lots of chances to earn their way into Super League but their on-field performance hasn't earned them promotion and now SL suddenly desperately wants them?

If I didn't know better I'd think SL is afraid of David Argyle lest he drag them kicking and screaming into the 21st Century!

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7 hours ago, CanadianRugger said:

It probably got deleted after a certain user accused the forum of being run by "Fascists" for them daring to question his assertions that TWP were dead in the water and that the dream of Rugby League in NA was dying.

 

Yep. That certain person started a post over on the RLFans Forum to whine about the unfairness of life. Post seems to have come down already.

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21 minutes ago, Loup said:

Yep. That certain person started a post over on the RLFans Forum to whine about the unfairness of life. Post seems to have come down already.

This must've been a pretty dull place before the Wolfpack came along.

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On 14/08/2019 at 14:33, The Parksider said:

MEMO TO WELLSY Yes I wholeheartedly welcomed them to the Championship. I qualified this in the sentence after. See above the bit in bold where I assist you accordingly with your grammatical error.

It's not my error, it's yours. At least bloody admit you meant to say something else. You can't edit what you said and expect people not to remember it. It's quoted in my text. It's there.

On your edit, how noble of you to welcome them to part of the system and not welcome them to the elite part. 

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