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10 hours ago, The Parksider said:

tell me how the transatlantic league will work and delight the fans and club owners here?

Sorry missed this one on first reading,

It will work because the alternative is more decline first of all. Other than that they will get in a plane and fly to the match and people will turn up. TWP creates interest, has created interest and will continue to do so.

If the fans are not delighted to see a quality side play I have to ask, are we actually talking about TGG fans ?

Club owners are a different kettle of fish Parky and if they can't get their club to market a game that includes top flight players what are they doing then?

The club owners only seem to smile at wins and not always then but I think that unless they get to hold the trophy at Old Trafford or Wembley asking for delight from them is expecting far too much.

The only ones not delighted should be the NRL who will have real competition for players on their books, the players will be delighted because a bidding war will suit them to the ground. Not having a quota for NA teams would establish three teams of quality people would want to pay to see and would up the quality of matches generally and a lot more players from the NRL would improve like BMM amd Lolohea as shown in the Tonga results.

If there are any other questions you think I've missed please let me know!

 

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Why are the anti twp types so caught up in how much Argyle is spending of his own money whilst ignoring the amount that Ken Davey, Michael Carter, David Hughes, Tony Crossland, Neil Hudgell and co are spending to prop up the English clubs. Why aren't you criticising these men as well for their loss making ventures?

Jealousy?

Fear?

This is just another reason why people on this forum who criticise twp for this lack any credibility.

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3 hours ago, Omott91 said:

Why are the anti twp types so caught up in how much Argyle is spending of his own money whilst ignoring the amount that Ken Davey, Michael Carter, David Hughes, Tony Crossland, Neil Hudgell and co are spending to prop up the English clubs. Why aren't you criticising these men as well for their loss making ventures?

Jealousy?

Fear?

This is just another reason why people on this forum who criticise twp for this lack any credibility.

Its a really odd thing for some people that Michael Carter is hero for spending fans money, David Argyle is a villain for spending his own. 

You would hope its some working class socialist ethos of fairness but then these same people also hate players getting paid. 

For some the ideal RL club is one where the chairman spends nothing, pays players nothing and makes a profit. Its a very strange outlook. 

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On 01/11/2019 at 23:27, kev p said:

New York etc do not produce players, so just using the declining numbers from uk. I’m in favour of expansion , but just watering down the players from the uk (& nrl castoffs) wont help. A condition of SL should be to run reserves & academy grades also. Just my opinion

So you think having these teams come in and taking players to run one team is diluting the English game. You’re answer to this is for them to run three teams. 

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3 hours ago, scotchy1 said:

some working class socialist ethos of fairness

Nah nothing to do with that and even though I got taken middle class I'm a socialist from a working class background It's just that they don't trust anyone least  of all with their most pecious stuff.

Given  the history of the UK and TGG this is completely understandable but usually misdirected as the political story at the moment will tell you.

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On 03/11/2019 at 14:12, scotchy1 said:

Its a really odd thing for some people that Michael Carter is hero for spending fans money, David Argyle is a villain for spending his own.  

Mr. Carter's spending  saved one of our most iconic "city" clubs where RL dominates RU & Soccer, which was a great triumph for our game. Mr. Argylle's money has destroyed an important part of the game here which is having a professional club in the Capital of the country in Superleague.

Money can work both ways, it can be used philanthropically to enhance a positive outcome or it can be used in a destructive way. It can be an investment, it can be a negative thing delivering one man's selfish ambition to the detriment of thousands of others.

But you clearly don't understand this, which is probably due to your age and inexperience,  No prob....😉

On 03/11/2019 at 09:11, Oxford said:

We should create a competition that is marketable, exciting and sparks the imagination of more than a few northerners.

You need something that Sky wants more than at the last negotiations and if we have some NA clubs in addition to our fantastic product on the pitch that may well provide us with enough leverage to negotiate properly.

150,000 Northener's imaginations are sparked by M62 RL - that's how we got £200 Million from SKY.

If the "more than" is a few thousand Canadian real ale enthusiasts then you can forget any paying NATV deal. Who says so? Well not me but  Mr. Perez who says it will need  six phoney NA clubs in SL to get that deal. Meaning another five English SL clubs to be destroyed.

Are you still with me?? probably not as your in dreamland, anyway......

Your incredibly naive to believe that SKY want any North American clubs. I know you make your arguments up in your head to suit your dreams but this takes the biscuit. SKY make money from selling English Superleague to English Subscribers.  SKY have no market in North America hence TWP will give them their games for nothing.

Neither of you have any business acumen or sense of reality about you? But feel free to post as you wish, it would be preferable if this was in a "dream" thread though?? Care to start one Gents? If you do, I won't destroy your dreams with reality...

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Broncos haven't been destroyed by TWP. In fact they're in a much stronger position than they were at the start of 2018, since they are seen as genuine promotion candidates for next season. If TWP hadn't been about, someone else (FEV) would have been promoted and London relegated. Since they finished last.

Would Rovers up have been seen as destroying Broncos?

If people want franchising, say so. Then define the specific, objective criteria upon which franchises are admitted or rejected. In which case, Mr Carter and his team may struggle. Otherwise, we have P+R, which has always been my preference.

Which is why NY and Ottawa start in L1. Which is how it should be.

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36 minutes ago, The Parksider said:

Mr. Carter's spending  saved one of our most iconic "city" clubs where RL dominates RU & Soccer, which was a great triumph for our game. Mr. Argylle's money has destroyed an important part of the game here which is having a professional club in the Capital of the country in Superleague.

Money can work both ways, it can be used philanthropically to enhance a positive outcome or it can be used in a destructive way. It can be an investment, it can be a negative thing delivering one man's selfish ambition to the detriment of thousands of others.

But you clearly don't understand this, which is probably due to your age and inexperience,  No prob....😉

150,000 Northener's imaginations are sparked by M62 RL - that's how we got £200 Million from SKY.

If the "more than" is a few thousand Canadian real ale enthusiasts then you can forget any paying NATV deal. Who says so? Well not me but  Mr. Perez who says it will need  six phoney NA clubs in SL to get that deal. Meaning another five English SL clubs to be destroyed.

Are you still with me?? probably not as your in dreamland, anyway......

Your incredibly naive to believe that SKY want any North American clubs. I know you make your arguments up in your head to suit your dreams but this takes the biscuit. SKY make money from selling English Superleague to English Subscribers.  SKY have no market in North America hence TWP will give them their games for nothing.

Neither of you have any business acumen or sense of reality about you? But feel free to post as you wish, it would be preferable if this was in a "dream" thread though?? Care to start one Gents? If you do, I won't destroy your dreams with reality...

What a load of patronizing drivel! You obviously think you're smart enough to run RL or Superleague..so apply for the job

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45 minutes ago, RobertAM said:

What a load of patronizing drivel! You obviously think you're smart enough to run RL or Superleague..so apply for the job

The heading states weeks away. Do you have an update as we are weeks on.

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6 hours ago, The Parksider said:

150,000 Northener's imaginations are sparked by M62 RL - that's how we got £200 Million from SKY.

If the "more than" is a few thousand Canadian real ale enthusiasts then you can forget any paying NATV deal. Who says so? Well not me but  Mr. Perez who says it will need  six phoney NA clubs in SL to get that deal. Meaning another five English SL clubs to be destroyed.

Are you still with me?? probably not as your in dreamland, anyway......

Your incredibly naive to believe that SKY want any North American clubs. I know you make your arguments up in your head to suit your dreams but this takes the biscuit. SKY make money from selling English Superleague to English Subscribers.  SKY have no market in North America hence TWP will give them their games for nothing.

Neither of you have any business acumen or sense of reality about you? But feel free to post as you wish, it would be preferable if this was in a "dream" thread though?? Care to start one Gents? If you do, I won't destroy your dreams with reality...

Morning Parky!

The deal was done because Sky thought several things, certainly much more than you make out.

I'm trying to avoid having a go at you Parky but you do make it difficult with such tortuous logic, and your tendency to insult people and their opposing views to yours. All I said was that having clubs like NY and TWP would make negotiating positions stronger and interest levels would rise accordingly. So you brought up the NA TV deal in answer.

Also more or less everything you say is related to the idea it's not been done so it must be false, untrue and some sort of rip off. Your time frame for achieving things seems microscopic and pays no attention to the long haul, and hard work involved.

In all likelihood if NA had six clubs it would create it's own league and leave SL altogether.

Anyway although you never really answer anything. insult everyone who disagrees and shoot all the other messengers I'm glad you're on board for the ride.

 

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6 hours ago, RobertAM said:

What a load of patronizing drivel! You obviously think you're smart enough to run RL or Superleague..so apply for the job

Please don’t..........if they appointed Rimmer, he may stand a chance 😬🙈

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7 hours ago, The Parksider said:

Mr. Carter's spending  saved one of our most iconic "city" clubs where RL dominates RU & Soccer, which was a great triumph for our game. Mr. Argylle's money has destroyed an important part of the game here which is having a professional club in the Capital of the country in Superleague.

Money can work both ways, it can be used philanthropically to enhance a positive outcome or it can be used in a destructive way. It can be an investment, it can be a negative thing delivering one man's selfish ambition to the detriment of thousands of others.

But you clearly don't understand this, which is probably due to your age and inexperience,  No prob....😉

150,000 Northener's imaginations are sparked by M62 RL - that's how we got £200 Million from SKY.

If the "more than" is a few thousand Canadian real ale enthusiasts then you can forget any paying NATV deal. Who says so? Well not me but  Mr. Perez who says it will need  six phoney NA clubs in SL to get that deal. Meaning another five English SL clubs to be destroyed.

Are you still with me?? probably not as your in dreamland, anyway......

Your incredibly naive to believe that SKY want any North American clubs. I know you make your arguments up in your head to suit your dreams but this takes the biscuit. SKY make money from selling English Superleague to English Subscribers.  SKY have no market in North America hence TWP will give them their games for nothing.

Neither of you have any business acumen or sense of reality about you? But feel free to post as you wish, it would be preferable if this was in a "dream" thread though?? Care to start one Gents? If you do, I won't destroy your dreams with reality...

Your whole stance reminds me of the taxi industry. 

Why should a better business model drive the previous unsuccessful business model into the ground?

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8 hours ago, The Parksider said:

Mr. Carter's spending  saved one of our most iconic "city" clubs where RL dominates RU & Soccer, which was a great triumph for our game. Mr. Argylle's money has destroyed an important part of the game here which is having a professional club in the Capital of the country in Superleague.

Money can work both ways, it can be used philanthropically to enhance a positive outcome or it can be used in a destructive way. It can be an investment, it can be a negative thing delivering one man's selfish ambition to the detriment of thousands of others.

But you clearly don't understand this, which is probably due to your age and inexperience,  No prob....😉

150,000 Northener's imaginations are sparked by M62 RL - that's how we got £200 Million from SKY.

If the "more than" is a few thousand Canadian real ale enthusiasts then you can forget any paying NATV deal. Who says so? Well not me but  Mr. Perez who says it will need  six phoney NA clubs in SL to get that deal. Meaning another five English SL clubs to be destroyed.

Are you still with me?? probably not as your in dreamland, anyway......

Your incredibly naive to believe that SKY want any North American clubs. I know you make your arguments up in your head to suit your dreams but this takes the biscuit. SKY make money from selling English Superleague to English Subscribers.  SKY have no market in North America hence TWP will give them their games for nothing.

Neither of you have any business acumen or sense of reality about you? But feel free to post as you wish, it would be preferable if this was in a "dream" thread though?? Care to start one Gents? If you do, I won't destroy your dreams with reality...

Hmm not one mention of New York,I take it your struggling to take your own advice.

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8 hours ago, The Parksider said:

Mr. Argylle's money has destroyed an important part of the game here which is having a professional club in the Capital of the country in Superleague.

 

I’m confused. I wonder if you can help me out.

Can I ask you a straight question  and I would appreciate a straight answer.

Can you explain how TWP has destroyed London ? I was under the impression that London would have been relegated regardless who was promoted.

If it was Featherstone or Leigh or Toulouse who were promoted, would you consider that it was one of them that destroyed the game in the capital ? And if not, why not ?

 

OK, three straight questions......

 

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11 minutes ago, burnleywelsh said:

I’m confused. I wonder if you can help me out.

Can I ask you a straight question  and I would appreciate a straight answer.

Can you explain how TWP has destroyed London ? I was under the impression that London would have been relegated regardless who was promoted.

If it was Featherstone or Leigh or Toulouse who were promoted, would you consider that it was one of them that destroyed the game in the capital ? And if not, why not ?

 

OK, three straight questions......

 

Get an answer of him,don't be silly but I'm sure it would be.

1. No

2.No

3.Because their not Toronto.

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Way off topic and descending into personal abuse.

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