The General 'Toronto Wolfpack' Discussion Thread

[frank]

Although Leigh have been in SL a couple of times they  have only lasted a season.I maybe mistaken, but, I think they received a significant  payment  each time they came back to the Championship. This has enabled them to outbid other clubs when signing players.Make no wonder their fans don't want a bar of the WP.

[GUBRATS]

My simple response was to the idea that Toronto will in some way get exception from relegation 

Now then ,in the past I have suggested the only way you can have NA teams in a transatlantic RL competition is for them to be in SL and with them having exception from SL 

It is in my opinion the other SL clubs owners who will refuse them this exception 

So who's holding the sport back ?

[Harry Stottle]

13 hours ago, gingerjon said:

Is that what you were working towards? God, I thought it would be something better than that.

Anyway, yes, you’re absolutely right. However, as is true for most players, so most clubs need to accept the reality that they will never, ever, play the Dane.

No matter the system.

I didn't realise you were a thespian Ginger, frightened to use the 'H' word in case it brings bad luck?

[Keith989]

10 hours ago, CanadianRugger said:

I've never understood how certain people on this forum could think TWP would be able to play in the Championship against part time clubs and be a viable commercial entity?  I don't know what dream world they live in?

As for what Carlo said, that was a great interview and he def instills a lot of confidence in me as a potential owner. 

 

The same people also think Ottawa will be content and sustainable playing in championship for the foreseeable future. Bizarre logic. 

[Dave T]

He has said his piece, its up to the league now. 

But his words have been smart so far. Himself, Hunter and McDermott have gone for a friendlier, more positive approach, and him and Hunter are clearly showing they have little time for Argyle (whether that is true, we'll see). 

I'm not sure why people are concerned about the grooming side. 

[GUBRATS]

8 hours ago, Big Picture said:

To give credit where it's due, he is a former director of a pro club so he likely knows a thing or two about the other club owners' perspective on this.

I'd doubt my experience from a long time ago gives me any better insight than anybody else really , it's more just a general idea that I cannot see SL club owners sanctioning Toronto being except from relegation 

So once again it's a discussion on the structure 

[GUBRATS]

8 hours ago, Hull Kingston Bronco said:

That’s the most accurate description of most towns in the Championship I’ve heard for a while to be honest

Says the man from East Hull ?

[The Rocket]

7 hours ago, The Rocket said:

Gubrats you are going to look and feel fantastic with your new Wolf moisturisng  and free styling products liberally applied.

F____, can`t believe you laughed , I was expecting a savaging. May be it`s a case of you`ll keep !

[GUBRATS]

7 hours ago, The Rocket said:

Gubrats you are going to look and feel fantastic with your new Wolf moisturisng  and free styling products liberally applied.

I'm sure I will , I normally moisture every day

[Tommygilf]

1 hour ago, Dave T said:

He has said his piece, its up to the league now. 

But his words have been smart so far. Himself, Hunter and McDermott have gone for a friendlier, more positive approach, and him and Hunter are clearly showing they have little time for Argyle (whether that is true, we'll see). 

I'm not sure why people are concerned about the grooming side. 

Agreed. In the TRL interview the new guy seems pretty disdainful of Argyle in all senses. 

[RugbyFan99]

I can see it now - Dacia, Batchelors Peas, Wolf Grooming...............

For all his marketing nous, does he really understand the RL demographic?

[Robin Evans]

2 minutes ago, RugbyFan99 said:

I can see it now - Dacia, Batchelors Peas, Wolf Grooming...............

For all his marketing nous, does he really understand the RL demographic?

I hope some market research is done in featherstone!!

[Dave T]

I'm a bit confused, are RL fans really that far behind that we don't even use basic facial grooming stuff? 

[The Rocket]

40 minutes ago, RugbyFan99 said:

I can see it now - Dacia, Batchelors Peas, Wolf Grooming...............

For all his marketing nous, does he really understand the RL demographic?

Wolf Grooming. Can you use it on pets ?

[Davo5]

15 minutes ago, Dave T said:

I'm a bit confused, are RL fans really that far behind that we don't even use basic facial grooming stuff? 

I think a lot on here haven't progressed from carbolic soap.

[Davo5]

13 minutes ago, The Rocket said:

Wolf Grooming. Can you use it on pets ?

Whippets & racing pigeons ?

[redjonn]

I must admit at struggling why a severe punishment shouldn't be handed to Toronto. Either a big points penalty or relegation to the championship.

It would seem to me a good choice to re-start in championship for the new club ownership to better prepare for ultimate promotion. Of course I understand the new owners desire to stay in SL first. Having said that people comments are that they would accept relegation if it happened the following year of staying in SL. So being relegated now shouldn't really impact any decision to take ownership.  It is a form of blackmail otherwise.  Unless of course they want to have no possibility of relegation.

I know the argument goes that Covid is unprecedented and as such Toronto should be allowed to stay in SL. My view is that Covid had prevented Toronto from being relegated given the situation prior to Covid. Yes one could argue that is unknown but the evidence shows it to have been the most likely of scenario's given performance and subsequently admin issues at the club irrespective of Covid.

How can their not be a severe punishment.

[Michael1812]

Am I the only Toronto supporter who would be happy for Toronto to not come back? It is pretty clear that the people who run the game, own the clubs and attend the matches don’t want anything to do with Toronto outside of capitalising on their publicity and taking 1/12th of the tv money. As a former Torontonian, I am use to everyone hating me but I’ve never experienced a situation where people would prefer we didn’t exist.

I also find the attitude of those involved in the sport to be massively negative, which is also a turnoff. The 80 mins of sports can be great, but everything else isn’t enjoyable.

Obviously, I am completely new to the sport, but is that negativity holding it back in the UK or am I making a mountain out of a molehill?

[yipyee]

Interestingly the new league format has indicated that theres a strong posibilty that not all the clubs will fulfill their fixtures, 

With this being the case do people who think Toronto should be kicked out, made to start from league 1 or have a points deduction think that this should be applied fairly to any other club who does not complete a full season?

[FearTheVee]

18 minutes ago, Michael1812 said:

Am I the only Toronto supporter who would be happy for Toronto to not come back? It is pretty clear that the people who run the game, own the clubs and attend the matches don’t want anything to do with Toronto outside of capitalising on their publicity and taking 1/12th of the tv money. As a former Torontonian, I am use to everyone hating me but I’ve never experienced a situation where people would prefer we didn’t exist.

I also find the attitude of those involved in the sport to be massively negative, which is also a turnoff. The 80 mins of sports can be great, but everything else isn’t enjoyable.

Obviously, I am completely new to the sport, but is that negativity holding it back in the UK or am I making a mountain out of a molehill?

Interesting take and glad you enjoy the sport!

I think there is context here.  RL fans are well used to grand proclamations and ideas materialising then collapsing into an embarrassing heap.  I personally am an expansionist but am heavily sceptical of the Toronto project and its underlying viability.

That is not to say I do not welcome them or would dearly like them to succeed, but we are not a sport with limitless resources or the capability to survive too many financial and reputational crashes.

The Toronto promises have not been matched by reality - from small things like where games will be played to big things like TV deals and pledges to guarantee wages (fully accepting that COVID impacted them more than anybody else, but then they were also the club that supposedly had billionaire backing but that has been run badly with cracks appearing long before COVID reared its head).

RL fans yearn for expansion, greater coverage and credibility.  Toronto promise to deliver all of these and the sport would be delighted if it did.  But it is not our bet to make - the nature of the project lends itslef to those behind it proving it, not those who have clear and demonstrable concerns about viability backing it at their own risk.

Good luck to the club and I hope you stick with the greatest game.

[GUBRATS]

33 minutes ago, Michael1812 said:

Am I the only Toronto supporter who would be happy for Toronto to not come back? It is pretty clear that the people who run the game, own the clubs and attend the matches don’t want anything to do with Toronto outside of capitalising on their publicity and taking 1/12th of the tv money. As a former Torontonian, I am use to everyone hating me but I’ve never experienced a situation where people would prefer we didn’t exist.

I also find the attitude of those involved in the sport to be massively negative, which is also a turnoff. The 80 mins of sports can be great, but everything else isn’t enjoyable.

Obviously, I am completely new to the sport, but is that negativity holding it back in the UK or am I making a mountain out of a molehill?

Molehill

[TheReaper]

I can relate to that feeling Michael, I don't think you're out to lunch. 

I'm shocked that TWP is persevering.  

[dealwithit]

Clubs that are unable to fulfil their fixtures due to players breaching protocols should be relegated too. 

Can’t wait for a 5 team super league next year!

[yipyee]

Should just start next season as if it was the starf of this season.

[GUBRATS]

It was madness to even consider Toronto would complete this season when the real impact of Covid became clear , a decision should have been made for them in April