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21 minutes ago, SL17 said:

Why turn a scenario around now? TWP was based on, no expenditure to other clubs.

We’ll foot the bill.

Funny how things change in time.

And again, that was the deal for L1 and the Championship. TWP operated under the assumption that when they made Super League the other clubs there would treat them as equal members and pay their own way, share the TV money etc.

Instead they're looked upon as a cash cow and obliged to accept onerous conditions just to be allowed into the league. 

It would be bad enough if this had been made clear to Argyle 5 years ago when he first asked to join RFL when he could have just said no, but the way SL essentially forced these terms on him 3 days before the MPG reveals what a petty self-serving money-grubbing bunch Super League owners are.

And from the way people act on this forum it's pretty clear that fabled sense of fair-play the English were known for is long dead because far too many seem perfectly happy with this.

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3 minutes ago, TIWIT said:

And again, that was the deal for L1 and the Championship. TWP operated under the assumption that when they made Super League the other clubs there would treat them as equal members and pay their own way, share the TV money etc.

Instead they're looked upon as a cash cow and obliged to accept onerous conditions just to be allowed into the league. 

It would be bad enough if this had been made clear to Argyle 5 years ago when he first asked to join RFL when he could have just said no, but the way SL essentially forced these terms on him 3 days before the MPG reveals what a petty self-serving money-grubbing bunch Super League owners are.

And from the way people act on this forum it's pretty clear that fabled sense of fair-play the English were known for is long dead because far too many seem perfectly happy with this.

I’ll give you my total honest opinion.  TWP have gone in to SL under the impression they will not be relegated, they will be protected as Catalans were.

The problem is SL now control SL. 

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57 minutes ago, SL17 said:

Leigh, Broncos and KR have done it whilst TWP have been in existence.

How many players did you have in L1 and Championship?

Relax, it is only round 3.

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1 minute ago, ojx said:

Relax, it is only round 3.

I support Leigh and I’m totally relaxed. Just not sure how you feel.

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47 minutes ago, SL17 said:

I support Leigh and I’m totally relaxed. Just not sure how you feel.

Leigh! It'll just take a couple of losses for Derek to pull the plug again. He did try to buy success, but wasn't rich enough.

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1 hour ago, SL17 said:

Leigh, Broncos and KR have done it whilst TWP have been in existence.

How many players did you have in L1 and Championship?

Broncos, relegated. Leigh, relegated. KR were an established SL team.

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Time to get rid of, or significantly increase, the salary cap. Toronto (like all the bigger clubs) are being held back by the weakest. 

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55 minutes ago, SL17 said:

I’ll give you my total honest opinion.  TWP have gone in to SL under the impression they will not be relegated, they will be protected as Catalans were.

The problem is SL now control SL. 

That never occured to me but it's a good point. Maybe that's the carrot they dangled in front of Argyle last fall to get his agreement. 

A 13-team SL would work. Bring up the Championship winner and in 2021 each team would get a bye week after coming to Toronto.

Very interesting idea.

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3 hours ago, TIWIT said:

And again, that was the deal for L1 and the Championship. TWP operated under the assumption that when they made Super League the other clubs there would treat them as equal members and pay their own way, share the TV money etc.

Instead they're looked upon as a cash cow and obliged to accept onerous conditions just to be allowed into the league. 

It would be bad enough if this had been made clear to Argyle 5 years ago when he first asked to join RFL when he could have just said no, but the way SL essentially forced these terms on him 3 days before the MPG reveals what a petty self-serving money-grubbing bunch Super League owners are.

And from the way people act on this forum it's pretty clear that fabled sense of fair-play the English were known for is long dead because far too many seem perfectly happy with this.

Could not have summed up SL and and some people on this forum  better.

Although some SL bosses have cash behind them, they have not got the kind of cash that Argyle has and they intend to have some of it.The tv money that  the Pack should have got,  most probably has been spent on some has been Aussies.

If the pack stay in SL forget your tv money for next season.

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3 hours ago, TIWIT said:

That never occured to me but it's a good point. Maybe that's the carrot they dangled in front of Argyle last fall to get his agreement. 

A 13-team SL would work. Bring up the Championship winner and in 2021 each team would get a bye week after coming to Toronto.

Very interesting idea.

13 doesn't work as it makes the Magic Weekend impossible 

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5 minutes ago, GUBRATS said:

13 doesn't work as it makes the Magic Weekend impossible 

Explain further please. It's pretty late here and my brain is already asleep

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3 minutes ago, TIWIT said:

Explain further please. It's pretty late here and my brain is already asleep

You can't have an odd number of teams and play an odd number of games , work it out ?

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5 hours ago, SL17 said:

I know that. The point you seem to have missed, is if the cap is full come season 3! How do you accommodate that player/players?

Other players will have to be coming off contract. 

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He says in an interview that toronto will be making room on the salary cap in the near future which should let him atleast finish the season with them. 

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6 hours ago, ojx said:

It's easy for established SL teams to say Toronto have mismanaged the salary cap. The truth is that to get promoted they had to over pay players to get them to play in the Championship. Even with that, they failed in their first MPG and were losing their second promotion final with less than 20 mins to go. They literally did just enough to get promoted, they couldn't manage their cap over several years like other teams in SL. The comparison is unfair.

Once they establish themselves, they will be able to manage the cap like other teams. 

You make it sound like they were forced to take the route they did? When in reality it was their own short term thinking that has significantly contributed to this. Always feel the need to clarify I support the Toronto project and i'm not a Leigh fan. That said, I don't sympathise with the position they have put THEMSELVES in and scream unfair. You'd think some of us on here were mind readers but alas this very situation was forecast by many about a year ago and predicted exactly what is unfolding now - so either TWP were blind to it or naively thought they were going to change the goalposts at the 11th hour. 

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33 minutes ago, barnyia said:

He says in an interview that toronto will be making room on the salary cap in the near future which should let him atleast finish the season with them. 

Where can we find that interview?

As for “making room on the salary cap in the near future,” I would suggest that the Toronto management moves quickly, otherwise the team may find itself too far behind on the Super League ladder for Tony Gigot, or any other players for that matter, to save the club from relegation at the end of the season.

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5 hours ago, Eddie said:

Time to get rid of, or significantly increase, the salary cap. Toronto (like all the bigger clubs) are being held back by the weakest. 

there are probably 4/5 teams in SL that are currently not spending the full salary cap so how can you claim that its holding them back?

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3 hours ago, bobbruce said:

Other players will have to be coming off contract. 

Probably sell them to Rochdale for £1 and get them back on DR when required. Spirit of the cap and all that......

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2 hours ago, To Be Confirmed said:

there are probably 4/5 teams in SL that are currently not spending the full salary cap so how can you claim that its holding them back?

As you said then, the salary cap is holding back the 4-5 clubs that could spend more. 

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23 hours ago, Wellsy4HullFC said:

The issue is that they need to pay high salaries to convince people to do the traveling. 

The SL fixture listed has shafted TWP a bit. They've had an incredibly difficult start to the season, playing all five play off teams in the first 5 fixtures away from home (I know the away from home part is their choice for 3 of the games, but still).

Why would they give a new club such a tough opening 5 games? It's pulling the rug from beneath them before they've even begun.

It happens Wellsy 5 of the first 6 games Leigh had in 2017 was Cas, Leeds, Saints, Wigan and Warrington, the other was Huddersfield.

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1 minute ago, Harry Stottle said:

It happens Wellsy 5 of the first 6 games Leigh had in 2017 was Cas, Leeds, Saints, Wigan and Warrington, the other was Huddersfield.

Not forgetting that was Cas's year as well Harry , when they battered everybody 

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