Johnoco 7,184 Report post Posted February 20 Just now, GUBRATS said: Who has said that ? Plenty of RL fans and opponents of Toronto. The argument goes that these new teams are stealing players.....as if we shouldn’t look to developing players anywhere and everywhere. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Johnoco 7,184 Report post Posted February 20 (edited) 3 minutes ago, Bert1 said: Loads of people just look at Facebook, here etc etc The comments I read on SM genuinely make me want to give up on Rugby League. Edited February 20 by Johnoco 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GUBRATS 3,543 Report post Posted February 20 2 minutes ago, Bert1 said: Loads of people just look at Facebook, here etc etc Here ? , Who ? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bert1 127 Report post Posted February 20 2 minutes ago, GUBRATS said: Here ? , Who ? One sec I’ll go through every Toronto thread and then get back to you 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GUBRATS 3,543 Report post Posted February 20 4 minutes ago, burnleywelsh said: No....you’re wrong........I’m getting the hang of this forum lark. Better players move on.....other players, younger players are given a chance, exposed to full time training. How many players are lost to the game because their pathway is blocked by players already in situ. More opportunities for aspiring players It's a bit of both , yes ' top ' players moving on does give others opportunity , but it can reduce quality as well The argument then is if that potential drop in quality affects UK RL's ability to finance itself ? 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Harry Stottle 2,909 Report post Posted February 20 8 minutes ago, Johnoco said: Plenty of RL fans and opponents of Toronto. The argument goes that these new teams are stealing players.....as if we shouldn’t look to developing players anywhere and everywhere. Of course we should, when is it going to start? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GUBRATS 3,543 Report post Posted February 20 8 minutes ago, Johnoco said: Plenty of RL fans and opponents of Toronto. The argument goes that these new teams are stealing players.....as if we shouldn’t look to developing players anywhere and everywhere. No , the argument is how long will it take for them to produce players of the standard that they are operating at ? I'd suggest it's 20+ years at least How long do you suggest ? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GUBRATS 3,543 Report post Posted February 20 9 minutes ago, Johnoco said: The comments I read on SM genuinely make me want to give up on Rugby League. SM ? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
burnleywelsh 535 Report post Posted February 20 Just now, GUBRATS said: SM ? Social media I’m thinking 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GUBRATS 3,543 Report post Posted February 20 4 minutes ago, Bert1 said: One sec I’ll go through every Toronto thread and then get back to you Don't confuse people questioning their short and long term impacts against their short and long term contribution Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GUBRATS 3,543 Report post Posted February 20 1 minute ago, burnleywelsh said: Social media I’m thinking Sorry , of course , as far as I'm concerned this board IS Social Media Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
burnleywelsh 535 Report post Posted February 20 4 minutes ago, GUBRATS said: It's a bit of both , yes ' top ' players moving on does give others opportunity , but it can reduce quality as well The argument then is if that potential drop in quality affects UK RL's ability to finance itself ? Wigan losing Bateman and George Williams has reduced the value of Wigan in what way ?. Some good young players coming through there. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GUBRATS 3,543 Report post Posted February 20 1 minute ago, burnleywelsh said: Wigan losing Bateman and George Williams has reduced the value of Wigan in what way ?. Some good young players coming through there. Are they as good as Bateman and Williams right now ? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DEANO 1,163 Report post Posted February 20 5 minutes ago, GUBRATS said: No , the argument is how long will it take for them to produce players of the standard that they are operating at ? I'd suggest it's 20+ years at least How long do you suggest ? Well considering they ain’t producing players yet it’ll be longer than 20 years. If they have a youth set up or reserves who are they going to play against Quote sometimes you have to take a step backwards to move forward Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Johnoco 7,184 Report post Posted February 20 2 minutes ago, GUBRATS said: No , the argument is how long will it take for them to produce players of the standard that they are operating at ? I'd suggest it's 20+ years at least How long do you suggest ? At this point, who cares how many players they have? You can’t say, have a team wanting to enter RL from Peterborough and say ‘right in 20 years time, when you have local players, get back to us and we’ll let you in’ you need to get a more widespread game, which gets exposed to more people, which in time leads to more players - but it takes time, years and years. Giving up after a season or two results in the game we have today, geographically limited. 4 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
burnleywelsh 535 Report post Posted February 20 1 minute ago, GUBRATS said: Are they as good as Bateman and Williams right now ? Was Bateman and Williams as good as the players that they immediately replaced on their debut seasons ?? 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GUBRATS 3,543 Report post Posted February 20 3 minutes ago, DEANO said: Well considering they ain’t producing players yet it’ll be longer than 20 years. If they have a youth set up or reserves who are they going to play against I did say 20+ , that does give me some ' leeway ' , and I'm suggesting ' a ' player who because of TWP in a few years takes up RL in Ontario , and just happens to be good enough to get picked by a UK club or defects from a Union background ? , In other words I'm being generous Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GUBRATS 3,543 Report post Posted February 20 8 minutes ago, Johnoco said: At this point, who cares how many players they have? You can’t say, have a team wanting to enter RL from Peterborough and say ‘right in 20 years time, when you have local players, get back to us and we’ll let you in’ you need to get a more widespread game, which gets exposed to more people, which in time leads to more players - but it takes time, years and years. Giving up after a season or two results in the game we have today, geographically limited. I haven't said that , and nobody has ever asked any team to do that But also because of that , it is realistic to be careful how many teams you are willing to admit whose existence isn't producing any players ( yes this point might well now draw in claims of heartland clubs not ' producing ' players ? , But those clubs helped to start producing players in their areas over a 100 years ago and still do ) I am fine with Toronto , I'm glad they got promoted to their financial level rather than tipping the Championship massively out of balance , but that doesn't mean they cannot be questioned on compliance with the structure they have freely joined , and their future contributions ? 1 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GUBRATS 3,543 Report post Posted February 20 16 minutes ago, burnleywelsh said: Was Bateman and Williams as good as the players that they immediately replaced on their debut seasons ?? Who were those players ? , Did they leave the competition ? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Johnoco 7,184 Report post Posted February 20 Just now, GUBRATS said: I haven't said that , and nobody has ever asked any team to do that But also because of that , it is realistic to be careful how many teams you are willing to admit whose existence isn't producing any players ( yes this point might well now draw in claims of heartland clubs not ' producing ' players ? , But those clubs helped to start producing players in their areas over a 100 years ago and still do ) I am fine with Toronto , I'm glad they got promoted to their financial level rather than tipping the Championship massively out of balance , but that doesn't mean they cannot be questioned on compliance with the structure they have freely joined , and their future contributions ? This time it’s Toronto. Before that it was Catalans, or London or Sheffield or..... Theres always a reason in RL to ‘look after the heartlands’. Which is why we are where we are today. 2 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GUBRATS 3,543 Report post Posted February 20 1 minute ago, Johnoco said: This time it’s Toronto. Before that it was Catalans, or London or Sheffield or..... Theres always a reason in RL to ‘look after the heartlands’. Which is why we are where we are today. Yes it is , with enough players currently to supply a team in Canada , that is where we are , thankfully because of the heartlands In truth your answer above is poor , I expected more , or are you saying I'm right ? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Johnoco 7,184 Report post Posted February 20 5 minutes ago, GUBRATS said: Yes it is , with enough players currently to supply a team in Canada , that is where we are , thankfully because of the heartlands In truth your answer above is poor , I expected more , or are you saying I'm right ? You’re happy with RL being a small time regional game. I’m not. 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
THE RED ROOSTER 835 Report post Posted February 20 2 hours ago, Man of Kent said: Mutual consent. No surprise if they asked him to leave having presided over their recruitment https://www.torontowolfpack.com/toronto-wolfpack-and-brian-noble-agree-to-part-ways/ 1 Quote . Quote The dominant ideas in society are always and everywhere the ideas of the ruling class. And always and everywhere they portray us as stupid, untrustworthy with bad motives. Show us respect sir. We gave you everything progressive there is. We gave you democracy. We demand some too. Eddie Demsey RMT Quote There were 17.4m people who voted to leave the European Union. "Any attempt to try to cast their vote aside, as if they didn’t mean it or didn’t understand the consequences, whereas everybody else did, is a bit of a slur on the individuals who took the time to vote, many of them for the first time Ian Lavery - Labour party chair - 29th March 2019 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GUBRATS 3,543 Report post Posted February 20 1 minute ago, Johnoco said: You’re happy with RL being a small time regional game. I’m not. I'm not in charge of RL , plenty of stuff in RL I'm not happy with , if I had been in charge we would have had more semi pro RL clubs in the UK I'm not in charge of the club I support , for a while I was part owner but soon realised others wanted different things to me , and they had more money to burn than me , so plenty I'm not happy with how my club operates , but I still support my club Now if we have a situation where my club is denied access to improve itself by moving up to SL via on field results , then my support for club and definitely the sport might change , it's a conundrum , and nobody has provided me with an answer yet Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Les Tonks Sidestep 2,044 Report post Posted February 20 2 hours ago, POR said: NO he's cup tied for FEV's match against Barrow saturday so FEV have agreed to allow loanee greg worthington return to TWP for fridays game and yes he will then return to FEV on Monday but if FEV had been playing a league match this weekend he would have stayed at FEV I'd love to know how he's 'cup tied'? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
