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6 minutes ago, Northern Eel said:

But in the absence of a vaccine?

Social distancing, doing your damnedest to keep your hands washed if you touch anything that's likely to be infected, wearing a face covering (not necessarily a medical mask) and so on. And then accepting excrement happens occasionally and you can't 100% risk manage. But that can only happen once you get infection numbers dropping to low levels, I've seen <100/day as the benchmark for a widespread relaxation of lockdown but that's just a best guess that'll help reduce future outbreaks.

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1 minute ago, Damien said:

People on this board would know better than me but I've seen or heard (I cant actually remember) that there is possibly a correlation between the initial dose a person receives and the seriousness of the condition they develop. I think the theory is that a tiny dose gives the body more time to fight back where as a bigger dose can overwhelm quicker. Hence partly the death figures for Doctors and Nurses. This makes sense to me and my unscientific mind, especially as it is essentially the way that vaccines work. Does this sound plausible?

Best guess is yes, viral load MAY have a big impact. Here's one explanation I got via a google search.

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5 minutes ago, ckn said:

Social distancing, doing your damnedest to keep your hands washed if you touch anything that's likely to be infected, wearing a face covering (not necessarily a medical mask) and so on. And then accepting excrement happens occasionally and you can't 100% risk manage. But that can only happen once you get infection numbers dropping to low levels, I've seen <100/day as the benchmark for a widespread relaxation of lockdown but that's just a best guess that'll help reduce future outbreaks.

And how do you think that will effect things like summer holidays etc? I note a change in tone in the last week from places like Cornwall, where before they were telling people to stay away and now are desperate for the tourist season to reverse some of their income loss.

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1 minute ago, Northern Eel said:

And how do you think that will effect things like summer holidays etc? I note a change in tone in the last week from places like Cornwall, where before they were telling people to stay away and now are desperate for the tourist season to reverse some of their income loss.

It depends. For example easyJet saying they'll start again by keeping middle seats free in a block of three will help a small bit. It's all about reducing unnecessary contact and keeping SOME distance.

Even simple things such as not touching your face without spotlessly clean hands will help, and help with many other things as well. If we keep doing this then I (in a wholly non clinical guess) think next winter's flu outbreak and deaths will be much lower.

Same with driving half the country for a holiday. A family group already living together then appropriately socially distancing in a slightly safer post-lockdown world should be fine as long as they play it safely.  For example, if I went on holiday in the first six months post-lockdown then I'd be there with the anti-viral wipes going round anything I'd touch and be asking them if I can do my own sheets rather than a cleaner.

Take that easyJet scenario. I'd be going on the flight with anti-viral wipes, clean down my seat as much as I can, then do my best to sit on my hands to stop me touching my face. Get off the flight and into clean clothes as soon as possible (including shoes). Nowhere near perfect but better than nothing.

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NOT a political point (the actual numbers are a political point and one for that thread)

It's amazing the adaptability of the human brain. Two weeks ago we were in horror at the Italian numbers and no-one was willing to accept that that could happen here. Yet, here we are: 14,576 deaths and it's "ah well, but Prince William dialled someone on Zoom while making sure the media got an invite as well"

 

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1 hour ago, Northern Eel said:

And how do you think that will effect things like summer holidays etc? I note a change in tone in the last week from places like Cornwall, where before they were telling people to stay away and now are desperate for the tourist season to reverse some of their income loss.

From earlier today

Transport Secretary Grant Shapps suggested people should not book summer holidays for later this year.

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48 minutes ago, ckn said:

NOT a political point (the actual numbers are a political point and one for that thread)

It's amazing the adaptability of the human brain. Two weeks ago we were in horror at the Italian numbers and no-one was willing to accept that that could happen here. Yet, here we are: 14,576 deaths and it's "ah well, but Prince William dialled someone on Zoom while making sure the media got an invite as well"

 

I'm trying to remember what we thought when we though it ... a few days ago I saw a retweet of a Fraser Nelson column from a few days before that where he said Covid would be fine because we would definitely have less than 5,700 deaths.

What's it going to be now? 25,000? 30,000? More than that?

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1 hour ago, ckn said:

NOT a political point (the actual numbers are a political point and one for that thread)

It's amazing the adaptability of the human brain. Two weeks ago we were in horror at the Italian numbers and no-one was willing to accept that that could happen here. Yet, here we are: 14,576 deaths and it's "ah well, but Prince William dialled someone on Zoom while making sure the media got an invite as well"

 

I was thinking earlier. The images from Italy when they were near the peak were far more grim than any images we are seeing here. We were seeing coffins lined up and chaos in hospitals. 

It all seems very civilised here during this period, are we simply handling it better, or have a far higher capacity? Or are our issues just spread more thinly over larger areas? 

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4 minutes ago, Dave T said:

I was thinking earlier. The images from Italy when they were near the peak were far more grim than any images we are seeing here. We were seeing coffins lined up and chaos in hospitals. 

It all seems very civilised here during this period, are we simply handling it better, or have a far higher capacity? Or are our issues just spread more thinly over larger areas? 

We routinely ban journalists from infected clinical areas. Italy allowed them in so people could see the horrors and STAY AT HOME.

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CKN,

          Apparently there was scope for 38,000 tests today but apparently only 21,000 turned up for the test. Any idea why, could it be that a lot of N.H.S. workers are on their annual six months sick with pay,and do not want to go back to work.Or am I just being cynical?

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5 minutes ago, fairfolly said:

CKN,

          Apparently there was scope for 38,000 tests today but apparently only 21,000 turned up for the test. Any idea why, could it be that a lot of N.H.S. workers are on their annual six months sick with pay,and do not want to go back to work.Or am I just being cynical?

“Annual six months sick”.

What a vile thing to say.

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9 minutes ago, fairfolly said:

CKN,

          Apparently there was scope for 38,000 tests today but apparently only 21,000 turned up for the test. Any idea why, could it be that a lot of N.H.S. workers are on their annual six months sick with pay,and do not want to go back to work.Or am I just being cynical?

I saw your first point and was about to answer it as a correction assuming you'd just had poor wording of that sentence. The second sentence suggests you're yet another boring troll.

And another on ignore. And another improvement to my browsing of this forum.

(Oh, and one other post removed replying to this as it was just a bit more impolite than my response).

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Just now, ckn said:

I saw your first point and was about to answer it as a correction assuming you'd just had poor wording of that sentence. The second sentence suggests you're yet another boring troll.

And another on ignore. And another improvement to my browsing of this forum.

(Oh, and one other post removed replying to this as it was just a bit more impolite than my response).

I stand by my assessment.

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6 minutes ago, Shadow said:

I stand by my assessment.

Yes, but your spelling ...

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No, I am not a troll, far from it. I hold my hand up and agree my wording of the request was not very well worded. I will try it this way, is it correct that when any N.H.S worker is off with illness or the like they receive a total of six months with pay per year.?

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18 minutes ago, fairfolly said:

CKN,

          Apparently there was scope for 38,000 tests today but apparently only 21,000 turned up for the test. Any idea why, could it be that a lot of N.H.S. workers are on their annual six months sick with pay,and do not want to go back to work.Or am I just being cynical?

This is an affront to all of my colleagues towin their tripe out and risking their lives in the most stressful of circumstances. Medical staff are dying out there you ****house.

I hope you step over then line far enough to be banned from.these boards. Keep on and it's likely to be me that's banned. 

I may well take CKN's advice and deploy ignore mode. 

Shame on you. 

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Robin. I have just apologised for the wording of my post. I know full well how hard you people in the N.H.S work and have nothing but admiration for the vast majority of the N.H.S. staff. Indeed I have one grandaughter that works in the N.H.S and another grandaughters husband that works in the N.H.S.My query, wrongly put,I admit was why if there was, apparently 38,000 tests available did only 21,000 turn up for them when all we have heard for weeks is that there are not enough tests.

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5 minutes ago, fairfolly said:

Robin. I have just apologised for the wording of my post. I know full well how hard you people in the N.H.S work and have nothing but admiration for the vast majority of the N.H.S. staff. Indeed I have one grandaughter that works in the N.H.S and another grandaughters husband that works in the N.H.S.My query, wrongly put,I admit was why if there was, apparently 38,000 tests available did only 21,000 turn up for them when all we have heard for weeks is that there are not enough tests.

Fair enough. I can't answer your question yet.

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36 minutes ago, fairfolly said:

CKN,

          Apparently there was scope for 38,000 tests today but apparently only 21,000 turned up for the test. Any idea why, could it be that a lot of N.H.S. workers are on their annual six months sick with pay,and do not want to go back to work.Or am I just being cynical?

 

14 minutes ago, Robin Evans said:

This is an affront to all of my colleagues towin their tripe out and risking their lives in the most stressful of circumstances. Medical staff are dying out there you ****house.

I hope you step over then line far enough to be banned from.these boards. Keep on and it's likely to be me that's banned. 

I may well take CKN's advice and deploy ignore mode. 

Shame on you. 

I'm aware of one NHS worker who is currently on the sick and is helping with lambing on the family farm.

They are not all "angels".

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3 minutes ago, fairfolly said:

Robin. I have just apologised for the wording of my post. I know full well how hard you people in the N.H.S work and have nothing but admiration for the vast majority of the N.H.S. staff. Indeed I have one grandaughter that works in the N.H.S and another grandaughters husband that works in the N.H.S.My query, wrongly put,I admit was why if there was, apparently 38,000 tests available did only 21,000 turn up for them when all we have heard for weeks is that there are not enough tests.

We have heard great discrepancies between stated capacity and what has actually been tested. I would take the 38,000 figure with a great pinch of salt. How many NHS workers were actually offered one? Did their work allow them the time to get one?

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48 minutes ago, fairfolly said:

No, I am not a troll, far from it. I hold my hand up and agree my wording of the request was not very well worded. I will try it this way, is it correct that when any N.H.S worker is off with illness or the like they receive a total of six months with pay per year.?

I've worked for the NHS since June but I don't receive any sick pay if I am off work. Fortunately I haven't had any. 

 

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41 minutes ago, fairfolly said:

Robin. I have just apologised for the wording of my post. I know full well how hard you people in the N.H.S work and have nothing but admiration for the vast majority of the N.H.S. staff. Indeed I have one grandaughter that works in the N.H.S and another grandaughters husband that works in the N.H.S.My query, wrongly put,I admit was why if there was, apparently 38,000 tests available did only 21,000 turn up for them when all we have heard for weeks is that there are not enough tests.

Why were you expecting 38k NHS staff to go for tests? You are positioning it as though 38k were booked in and loads didn't show up. 

And why do you begrudge some people having employment benefits? 

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From what I have seen some of the testing centers are set up in car parks at retail parks on the edge of town (where the Darkness is!)  Why couldn't they be placed in Hospital car parks, they are not exactly full at present and would be more convenient for staff, ambulance service, police etc.         Common sense really.

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2 minutes ago, Clogiron said:

From what I have seen some of the testing centers are set up in car parks at retail parks on the edge of town (where the Darkness is!)  Why couldn't they be placed in Hospital car parks, they are not exactly full at present and would be more convenient for staff, ambulance service, police etc.         Common sense really.

One was set up at Salford’s ground. No one going there isn’t new ? 

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