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Tommygilf

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Just now, marklaspalmas said:

Interesting how language mutates between generations (I assume you're younger). 

Bunk off instinctively sounds American to me.

But not having googled it.....

Perhaps, it probably is.

Weirdly its often the case our English changed away from American English, such as with herbs and herbs, rather than the other way around, but don't tell them them that!

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marklaspalmas

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8 minutes ago, Tommygilf said:

Perhaps, it probably is.

Weirdly its often the case our English changed away from American English, such as with herbs and herbs, rather than the other way around, but don't tell them them that!

I'm not sure what you mean here. I think American pronunciation is vaguely closer to the original french than British pronunciation in your example. But otherwise?

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39 minutes ago, Tommygilf said:

Indeed, does seem to have a south yorkshire twang about it.

I grew up within a mile of the Mersey and 'nesh' was definitely a word used when I was a kid.

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3 minutes ago, marklaspalmas said:

I'm not sure what you mean here. I think American pronunciation is vaguely closer to the original french than British pronunciation in your example. But otherwise?

As in words came from France to England, then on to what would become the USA (as they were in England), but then subsequently changed in England. 

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1 minute ago, Tommygilf said:

Oh no, and there I was being told I'm not a proper Yorkshireman! Thanks!

You're still not a proper Yorkshireman, You were complaining about the cold, instead of telling everybody how much better the cold was in Yorkshire and how cold was so much better back in your day.

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5 minutes ago, Tommygilf said:

As in words came from France to England, then on to what would become the USA (as they were in England), but then subsequently changed in England. 

Are you saying the British English pronunciation used to be "erb", was exported thus to USA, and then changed to "herb" in UK?

Im not sure about the route of that particular word but I find it extremely unlikely. There were more than enough French in USA for direct exportation of the word. Also, erb to herb doesn't seem right either.

Google?

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5 minutes ago, marklaspalmas said:

Are you saying the British English pronunciation used to be "erb", was exported thus to USA, and then changed to "herb" in UK?

Google turns up this https://separatedbyacommonlanguage.blogspot.com/2014/09/herb.html which says yes to the above.

[Is this a new record for speed of thread drifting off-topic?]

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7 minutes ago, marklaspalmas said:

Are you saying the British English pronunciation used to be "erb", was exported thus to USA, and then changed to "herb" in UK?

Im not sure about the route of that particular word but I find it extremely unlikely. There were more than enough French in USA for direct exportation of the word. Also, erb to herb doesn't seem right either.

Google?

Yes, I thought it was weird too, but then I found a (victorian I think) penchant/fashion for pronouncing "H" at the start of words that it was previously silent on. Naturally in some places, Yorkshire and the South West for example, dropped H's have remained the norm; or at least the fashion never reached popular prominence. I imagine it was an anti-French thing.

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13 minutes ago, marklaspalmas said:

Are you saying the British English pronunciation used to be "erb", was exported thus to USA, and then changed to "herb" in UK?

Im not sure about the route of that particular word but I find it extremely unlikely. There were more than enough French in USA for direct exportation of the word. Also, erb to herb doesn't seem right either.

Google?

I believe that the 'generic' United States accent (and pronunciations) is very closely related to 17th century East Anglian English?

It's certainly true that a lot of what we consider Americanisms ("Fall" for "Autumn") were originally English-isms that went over there and stayed whereas English here changed.

Build a man a fire, and he'll be warm for a day. Set a man on fire, and he'll be warm for the rest of his life. (Terry Pratchett)

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38 minutes ago, Tommygilf said:

Yes, I thought it was weird too, but then I found a (victorian I think) penchant/fashion for pronouncing "H" at the start of words that it was previously silent on. Naturally in some places, Yorkshire and the South West for example, dropped H's have remained the norm; or at least the fashion never reached popular prominence. I imagine it was an anti-French thing.

It wasnt a victorian penchant per ce but it was a "everything french is rubbish" due to the number of wars we fought against them from Georgian England through Victoria. 

Yes the Americanisms we so loath are often actual the original version.. 

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12 minutes ago, Spidey said:

Too far gone to consider a retreat back to winter. 
 

RL is fine with its season where it is. 

Didnt hitler say the same thing at stalingrad (or at least something similar concerning the words "winter" "too far gone" "shouldnt consider retreating").. 

 

 

 

Sorry but with the thread drift i thought i would just at Godwins law in for good measure!

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16 minutes ago, RP London said:

It wasnt a victorian penchant per ce but it was a "everything french is rubbish" due to the number of wars we fought against them from Georgian England through Victoria. 

Yes the Americanisms we so loath are often actual the original version.. 

Ta, I thought it was something like that

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I was just writing these words in reply on the Floodlit Trophy thread

"I never actually finished a drink bought an an RL game during the winter season as it was always to warm my hands though it did nothing for my feet.

I remember ice round Mount Pleasant, the wind coming off the North Sea in Hull and I recall Salford v GB where you couldn't see the game for the snow falling and it was abandoned when players seemed to be suffering from hypothermia."

When we're "taking stock" of Summer rugby it might be as well to remember what the sport was actually like then, or what the spectator expeience was like. The above are just three examples from what was a season long effect.

I also remember going to Wembley and the championship finals at the season's end and thinking how brilliant it all was and why didn't we play it all the time in weather like this?

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4 hours ago, Eddie said:

Early May to mid August for most clubs, unless involved in the play offs. Take Halifax (as a random example), means the RL and football clubs aren’t competing for fans in that period. 

As an aside there’s barely any crossover, lots of bad feeling between the two sets of fans 

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3 hours ago, Oxford said:

I was just writing these words in reply on the Floodlit Trophy thread

"I never actually finished a drink bought an an RL game during the winter season as it was always to warm my hands though it did nothing for my feet.

I remember ice round Mount Pleasant, the wind coming off the North Sea in Hull and I recall Salford v GB where you couldn't see the game for the snow falling and it was abandoned when players seemed to be suffering from hypothermia."

When we're "taking stock" of Summer rugby it might be as well to remember what the sport was actually like then, or what the spectator expeience was like. The above are just three examples from what was a season long effect.

I also remember going to Wembley and the championship finals at the season's end and thinking how brilliant it all was and why didn't we play it all the time in weather like this?

I hear what you are saying, but football fans watch, and players play in, the same towns all through the winter and nobody says it's unbearable. In fact some of the best attendances are in December and January. Maybe rugby league grounds were even more decrepit than football ones in the past and that played a part, but most nowadays are much better, and player preparation and kit is much better too. 

To be clear, I'm not saying we should go back - there's no compelling argument for it - but I'm sure we could go back on the weather front if it was deemed necessary. 

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