7723 Posted July 4, 2021 Share Posted July 4, 2021 8 minutes ago, Spidey said: Coote pretending again He would fit into a football team really well. Patwigaw Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dkw Posted July 4, 2021 Share Posted July 4, 2021 2 minutes ago, Padge said: Interpretations drift in and drift out, never rely on the Laws of the Game to give you a definitive as you will never find it. Ain't that the truth. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnM Posted July 4, 2021 Share Posted July 4, 2021 Went as expected, as overwhelmingly predicted by the forum poll. Obviously, Saints realise that as a triumph, it counts for nothing, just like stealing the smarties from a child. We clearly have problems. Injuries, yes, but deeper than that. Why did Wane quit? Why no leadership? Is the coach free to run the team as he wants? 1 1 People who think they know everything are a great annoyance to those of us who do. Isaac Asimov Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OMEGA Posted July 4, 2021 Share Posted July 4, 2021 1 minute ago, LeeF said: No you are the one who is still wrong. Try reading all the Disciplinary minutes etc. Try listening to the explanations given by the referees You’re moving the goal posts, you said that not wrapping the arms had been an offence since the shoulder charge was rightly banned! It wasn’t, at the time of the ban there was absolutely no mention of defenders having to wrap their arms around the ball carrier, not in the rules, not in general discussion and not in disciplinery reports. While were at it, you say the shoulder charge was “rightly banned” can you reference any scientific papers, medical cases or a number of players who were injured as a result of a shoulder charge that wasn’t already covered by the rules regarding contact to the head! I researched it at the time and there were no studies, Medical or Scientific, that offered any kind of evidence to support the notion that shoulder charges were the cause of a surfeit of injuries in either code of Rugby, NFL, NHL, Ausie Rules, Gaelic Football or any other contact sport. There was only a knee jerk reaction to 2 tackles, one in both hemispheres, Greg Inglis on Dean Young and Rangi Chase on Tangi Ropati. Both of which were already covered by rules regarding contact to the head of an opponent. Now, I know the shoulder charge is gone, but you say it was”rightly banned” and many people disagree with that and feel the game has been sanitised beyond recognition! So can you offer me any solid evidence, that supports your opinion, in the form of a case study(ies) Medical Cases or Scientific Publication that support that! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cheshire Setter Posted July 4, 2021 Share Posted July 4, 2021 7 minutes ago, JohnM said: Why did Wane quit? I thought Lenagan wanted him out as the fans weren’t being entertained by his style of rugby. Then Edwards did the dirty of course. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnM Posted July 4, 2021 Share Posted July 4, 2021 (edited) You mentioned Edwards? Wash your mouth out! We're certainly entertaining this season, especially if you are a Saints, Wakefield etc fan Edited July 4, 2021 by JohnM 1 People who think they know everything are a great annoyance to those of us who do. Isaac Asimov Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wollo Wollo Wayoo Posted July 4, 2021 Share Posted July 4, 2021 47 minutes ago, Futtocks said: The Ginger Pearl gets Wigan off the mark. To late to affect the result, but it ain't a nilling. Is the correct Oxymoron now The Bald Pearl? This world was never meant for one as beautiful as me. Wakefield Trinity RLFC 2012 - 2014 "The wasted years" 2013, 2014 & 2015 Official Magic Weekend "Whipping Boys" 2017 - The year the dream disappeared under Grix's left foot. 2018 - The FinniChezz Bromance 2019 - The Return of the Prodigal Son Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dkw Posted July 4, 2021 Share Posted July 4, 2021 Just now, Wollo Wollo Wayoo said: Is the correct Oxymoron now The Bald Pearl? There's still a few whisps up there, so maybe the balding pearl? thinning pearl? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scubby Posted July 4, 2021 Share Posted July 4, 2021 Wigan do marginally better than binning the game off due to Covid. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Futtocks Posted July 4, 2021 Share Posted July 4, 2021 5 minutes ago, Wollo Wollo Wayoo said: Is the correct Oxymoron now The Bald Pearl? Once ginger, forever ginger. 1 "We are easily breakable, by illness or falling, or a million other ways of leaving this earthly life. We are just so much mashed potato." Don Estelle Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cheshire Setter Posted July 4, 2021 Share Posted July 4, 2021 (edited) 9 minutes ago, dkw said: There's still a few whisps up there, so maybe the balding pearl? thinning pearl? This is what you get when you google bald ginger (ignoring the adult results): Edited July 4, 2021 by Cheshire Setter 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jinking Jimmy Posted July 4, 2021 Share Posted July 4, 2021 28 minutes ago, 7723 said: He would fit into a football team really well. Regan Grace also. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jinking Jimmy Posted July 4, 2021 Share Posted July 4, 2021 4 minutes ago, Jinking Jimmy said: Regan Grace also. Look at the incident from which Isa was sin binned. After the tip tackle he tackled Grace who held his head footballer style although there was clearly no contact. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cheshire Setter Posted July 4, 2021 Share Posted July 4, 2021 2 minutes ago, Jinking Jimmy said: Look at the incident from which Isa was sin binned. After the tip tackle he tackled Grace who held his head footballer style although there was clearly no contact. That one was an accidental clash of heads after Isa had tackled Grace (legally) who was lay on the ground with no one else touching him. I think on that occasion he did take a knock. The tip tackle was correctly dealt with of course. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GUBRATS Posted July 4, 2021 Share Posted July 4, 2021 1 minute ago, Cheshire Setter said: That one was an accidental clash of heads after Isa had tackled Grace (legally) who was lay on the ground with no one else touching him. I think on that occasion he did take a knock. The tip tackle was correctly dealt with of course. Tip tackle ? , I thought the term was spear tackle , should have been a straight red 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yipyee Posted July 4, 2021 Share Posted July 4, 2021 46 minutes ago, JohnM said: Went as expected, as overwhelmingly predicted by the forum poll. Obviously, Saints realise that as a triumph, it counts for nothing, just like stealing the smarties from a child. We clearly have problems. Injuries, yes, but deeper than that. Why did Wane quit? Why no leadership? Is the coach free to run the team as he wants? Same coach and leadership as the side that was slightly short kick away from a GF win Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yipyee Posted July 4, 2021 Share Posted July 4, 2021 9 minutes ago, Cheshire Setter said: That one was an accidental clash of heads after Isa had tackled Grace (legally) who was lay on the ground with no one else touching him. I think on that occasion he did take a knock. The tip tackle was correctly dealt with of course. I dont like this aspect of our game and think the rule should change that a player has to be on their feet to be tackled, it would certainly make tackles around the goal line more interesting Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnM Posted July 4, 2021 Share Posted July 4, 2021 3 minutes ago, yipyee said: Same coach and leadership as the side that was slightly short kick away from a GF win As in "lost". So what has changed? 1 People who think they know everything are a great annoyance to those of us who do. Isaac Asimov Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yipyee Posted July 4, 2021 Share Posted July 4, 2021 49 minutes ago, OMEGA said: You’re moving the goal posts, you said that not wrapping the arms had been an offence since the shoulder charge was rightly banned! It wasn’t, at the time of the ban there was absolutely no mention of defenders having to wrap their arms around the ball carrier, not in the rules, not in general discussion and not in disciplinery reports. While were at it, you say the shoulder charge was “rightly banned” can you reference any scientific papers, medical cases or a number of players who were injured as a result of a shoulder charge that wasn’t already covered by the rules regarding contact to the head! I researched it at the time and there were no studies, Medical or Scientific, that offered any kind of evidence to support the notion that shoulder charges were the cause of a surfeit of injuries in either code of Rugby, NFL, NHL, Ausie Rules, Gaelic Football or any other contact sport. There was only a knee jerk reaction to 2 tackles, one in both hemispheres, Greg Inglis on Dean Young and Rangi Chase on Tangi Ropati. Both of which were already covered by rules regarding contact to the head of an opponent. Now, I know the shoulder charge is gone, but you say it was”rightly banned” and many people disagree with that and feel the game has been sanitised beyond recognition! So can you offer me any solid evidence, that supports your opinion, in the form of a case study(ies) Medical Cases or Scientific Publication that support that! I can add to this as it maybe a knee jerk reaction and similar to a 2 footed lunge in football, when done correctly is perfectly fine, when it goes wrong it can end a players career or can lead to a lengthy spell on the injured list. In both cases of shoulder charges and 2 footed lunges in football the attacker can change position and once your committed you cant pull out and its this lack of safety and a certainty that it can go wrong that a welfare decision was made by rule makers. Lets also remember FT players now spend all day in the gym becoming faster, stronger and more powerfull than ever. Rules need to change with the times. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yipyee Posted July 4, 2021 Share Posted July 4, 2021 11 minutes ago, JohnM said: As in "lost". So what has changed? A missed kick and a lucky bounce for saints stopping Wigan following up their LLS win. Wigan are going through a bad patch in a period of quick turn around games and released players for England game. Wigan will turn the corner and be better for it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ullman Posted July 4, 2021 Share Posted July 4, 2021 2 hours ago, Jinking Jimmy said: Coote stays down “injured” and then back on his feet seconds later to attempt the penalty. The game is going soft and cheats like him don’t help. He was briefly immobile. 1 Old Faithful we never lose at Wembley Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jinking Jimmy Posted July 4, 2021 Share Posted July 4, 2021 Just now, Ullman said: He was briefly immobile. Long enough to make sure he got the penalty. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hela Wigmen Posted July 4, 2021 Share Posted July 4, 2021 Referees get a load of stick, Hicks come out in the press in 2019 and Child did last year yet we’ve got two separate players abusing the referee on social media. https://mobile.twitter.com/Chris_hankinson/status/1411783289694834688 https://mobile.twitter.com/JoeBurgess1/status/1411766360938409986 Do we just not bother pulling up players for this? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hela Wigmen Posted July 4, 2021 Share Posted July 4, 2021 4 minutes ago, yipyee said: A missed kick and a lucky bounce for saints stopping Wigan following up their LLS win. Wigan are going through a bad patch in a period of quick turn around games and released players for England game. Wigan will turn the corner and be better for it You realise that didn’t happen how you’re saying it, right? The score was 4-4, so Wigan weren’t “stopped” from winning anything. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
my missus Posted July 4, 2021 Share Posted July 4, 2021 i'll take that score as a win seeing as we played the ref as well, saints pretty poor most of the time even against 11 men, got to put hastings back in the halves and give hanley a go at full back, looking at the opposition wigan with hardaker, field, bateman and club in the side will still make the top four. 3 Through the fish-eyed lens of tear stained eyes I can barely define the shape of this moment in time Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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