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19 hours ago, hunsletgreenandgold said:

Gus makes some very good points here whether we like it or not.

 

It is 6 weeks not 8 weeks he is making that up. Those teams not making the final will be back in pre season training by Jan 19, those that do Jan 26.

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6 hours ago, hunsletgreenandgold said:

Gus makes some very good points here whether we like it or not.

 

And that's why no one likes the Aussies.... you can't have a WC without the Aussies 🤣🤣 Didnt the USA say something very similar about the Olympics before 1980??🤔

Let's crack on and get it staged with or without them.

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is there a facebook page or similar - think there is one but cant think of its name -petition.com? maybe?

simply- aus dont send their strongest squad = i cancel my nrl  subscription 

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did the bloke who invented the phrase "one hit wonder" invent anything else?

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i absolutely love nrl - but if aus dont send all the stars i will cut off my nose to spite my face and go without it in principal 

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did the bloke who invented the phrase "one hit wonder" invent anything else?

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We recently had a French union side tour down here and before the series started there was a lot of talk that the series was meaningless because it was their second or third string team. I`ll tell you what, once the series started and was competitive, probably far more competitive than if the French sent their best side, absolutely no one cared and it never got another mention. They got 37 000 for the decider and it rated solidly, I imagine it would be no different if a half decent team of Rugby League rebels could be enticed to defy the clubs and travel to England at the end of the year from down here.

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6 hours ago, THE RED ROOSTER said:

Has it ever occurred to posters on this forum that other international boards can sign up to the World Cup participation agreement on the basis that when / if the NRL pulls the plug they just shrug the sholders and say "well you know we would have loved to have come to merry Northern England but our players are NRL contracted so sorry...."

As with most sport these days signing an agreement / contract does not mean there is any real intent to fulfill it...

Spot on RR. NZ have signed a participation agreement, yet the CEO of NZRL Greg Peters has openly said that we have signed on the basis that protocols are in place that can keep their players safe.

All Pacific Nations are just as likely to pull out as Australia are. If the Aussies do, it will be very likely the other Pacific nations will fall like dominoes behind an Aussie cancellation.

This will then be seen by posters on here as the NRL leveraging it’s strength and dictating terms to the other Pacific nations.

Frankly, this is not a NRL problem. The pandemic has been handled in a vastly different manner between the two continents. What has been considered an allowable risk in the UK would be widely regarded as complacent and risk adverse in Australia. The public perceptions have been set and will be difficult to overcome.

Trying to compare the Euro’s or Olympics to a RLWC is simply disingenuous.

The first involves players from Europe that are conditioned and living under the same restrictions and mindset as the tournament host/s. There is less perceived risk for individuals in Europe, as they have been conditioned to accepting the risk.

The second is a closed shop event with no fans in strictly closed venues and closed participant environments. To think the IRL and RFL with such small resources have the same administrative and funding strength to host a tour all over the UK, as the ever so mighty Olympics do in hosting a private, locked doors event in Tokyo is very naive.

I hope the RLWC goes ahead. I am still not certain it will.

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16 hours ago, hunsletgreenandgold said:

Gus makes some very good points here whether we like it or not.

 

I'll never forget Phil Gould in about 2007 or 2008 arguing vociferously that Sonny Bill Williams – a born-and-bred New Zealander of Samoan background who, as far as I am aware, had not stepped foot in Australia before joining Canterbury in 2004 or so –  "MUST" be selected for State of Origin.

He would repeat this demand endlessly, while simultaneously attacking the RL authorities at that time for not selecting the "best" players for Origin, saying what a disgrace this was etc etc.

I have had zero time for his opinions ever since, and the fact he's now arguing against the RLWC going ahead just confirms my view of him.
 

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Phil Gould is possibly the biggest grifter in rugby league. And there's no shortage of competition.

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10 hours ago, graveyard johnny said:

i absolutely love nrl - but if aus dont send all the stars i will cut off my nose to spite my face and go without it in principal 

All the star players aren’t going to come, some players will make their own individual decision not to take part in this World Cup, it would be crazy not to watch the World Cup   because of that.

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13 hours ago, THE RED ROOSTER said:

As with most sport these days signing an agreement / contract does not mean there is any real intent to fulfill it...

That did occur to me and I don't doubt it's possible.

I'd just assume that a contract back by several million pounds of government manifesto funding is a bit tighter than what the NZRL are used to or could afford to easily go against.

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58 minutes ago, Sir Kevin Sinfield said:

One of Gould’s points is that NRL players aren’t vaccinated, we have no shortage of vaccines in the UK, surely we can vaccinate all players to allow them to play in the World Cup that will be held in the UK?

It's beyond Gould's thinking that players not vaccinated now can get vaccinated in Australia in the 100 days before the tournament starts.

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14 hours ago, THE RED ROOSTER said:

Has it ever occurred to posters on this forum that other international boards can sign up to the World Cup participation agreement on the basis that when / if the NRL pulls the plug they just shrug the sholders and say "well you know we would have loved to have come to merry Northern England but our players are NRL contracted so sorry...."

As with most sport these days signing an agreement / contract does not mean there is any real intent to fulfill it...

Yes, that has absolutely occurred to me.

And, as the video says, if the NRL use the loophole of not recognising this World Cup as representative games so the clubs can withdraw their players (from all nations) from the tournament, I will never watch another game of NRL again.

"The history of the world is the history of the triumph of the heartless over the mindless." — Sir Humphrey Appleby.

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13 minutes ago, Jim from Oz said:

It's beyond Gould's thinking that players not vaccinated now can get vaccinated in Australia in the 100 days before the tournament starts.

Your right there mate, if their worried about the Astra-Zeneca, the Pfizer vaccine is suppose to start arriving in big numbers in September, so that`s a ###### excuse of Gould`s. If the NRL can arrange $40m quarantine hubs with the Government I`m sure they can arrange a couple of hundred shots for all the players likely involved in this tournament. 

I really don`t know what`s going on with Gould, he can be so astute and other times you wonder what planet he`s on.

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9 minutes ago, The Rocket said:

Your right there mate, if there worried about the Astra-Zeneca, the Pfizer vaccine is suppose to start arriving in big numbers in September, so that`s a ###### excuse of Gould`s. If the NRL can arrange $40m quarantine hubs with the Government I`m sure they can arrange a couple of hundred shots for all the players likely involved in this tournament. 

I really don`t know what`s going on with Gould, he can be so astute and other times you wonder what planet he`s on.

but its the same excuse as using the numbers in the UK at the moment. We are 3-4 months away and the view of experts here (which may be proven wrong) is that there will be an initial spike of infections but they wont be leading to hospitalisations and then it will drop considerably. Start of the school holidays and summer is the perfect time to do this to cause the least disruption to opening business (except of course they have messed that up with the continued pinging of everyone through the app).. right or wrong (not wanting to debate the politics) that is the idea.. 

So for Gould to say "look at the cases they wont be safe" is just stupid as that is going to come down (if the plan works)... we can have full stadia now and things are moving forwards. 

When you pull out all the extra guff that is just that, guff, then you get to the real crux of the issue. IF you get towards the latter stages you will be 2 weeks late for pre season. Any team going out in the groups isnt a problem as they will be home 2 weeks earlier anyway. So its only the teams that qualify for the semi finals really.. so that probably Australia, New Zealand, England and Tonga.. Clubs surely have strong enough and deep enough squads to not need those international players for 2 games.. some of those players may well have been rested anyway to give them the best chance to be "on it" when the season matters.

it is just simply me me me me me.. i'd say nimbyism as its the same sort of thing, its ok but it has to 100% suit me.. it doesnt so they want to take their ball home and screw the damage it will do to all the other nations (New Zealand could do with a good world cup etc).

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Gavin Willacy's latest Guardian column has this:

 

Foreign quota

Whether pressurised by the government or economic necessity, the World Cup appears to be going full steam ahead this autumn in the face of fierce negativity from Australia. World Cup chief executive Jon Dutton said: “We expect all 21 nations to be here – there’s an incredible appetite. We’re very confident Australia will participate.” Although, he also admitted: “It’s one thing getting to the start line, another getting through all 61 games.”

The International Rugby League chairman, Troy Grant, said that the support from the UK government was “unprecedented in rugby league history”. With the BBC showing every game in the men’s, women’s and wheelchair tournaments live, a postponement would be a nightmare for the broadcaster. Grant admitted it’s “critical it goes ahead” because “the broadcast opportunities, especially for the women’s game, are extraordinary – it will be a great leap forward”.

Given there has been no income from international rugby league since November 2019, Grant says it needs to happen this year for the game’s sake. Denying the IRL were “flexing its muscles” he claimed they are “fulfilling our responsibility to the game”. Dutton acknowledged that bringing 400-500 players and staff from Australasia on charter flights was “digging deep into our pockets”, but said he was still “confident we’ll provide the biggest ever financial return to the IRL.”

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9 minutes ago, Jim from Oz said:

Gavin Willacy's latest Guardian column has this:

 

Foreign quota

Whether pressurised by the government or economic necessity, the World Cup appears to be going full steam ahead this autumn in the face of fierce negativity from Australia. World Cup chief executive Jon Dutton said: “We expect all 21 nations to be here – there’s an incredible appetite. We’re very confident Australia will participate.” Although, he also admitted: “It’s one thing getting to the start line, another getting through all 61 games.”

The International Rugby League chairman, Troy Grant, said that the support from the UK government was “unprecedented in rugby league history”. With the BBC showing every game in the men’s, women’s and wheelchair tournaments live, a postponement would be a nightmare for the broadcaster. Grant admitted it’s “critical it goes ahead” because “the broadcast opportunities, especially for the women’s game, are extraordinary – it will be a great leap forward”.

Given there has been no income from international rugby league since November 2019, Grant says it needs to happen this year for the game’s sake. Denying the IRL were “flexing its muscles” he claimed they are “fulfilling our responsibility to the game”. Dutton acknowledged that bringing 400-500 players and staff from Australasia on charter flights was “digging deep into our pockets”, but said he was still “confident we’ll provide the biggest ever financial return to the IRL.”

If they are "flexing their muscles" its only about time... no way would the IRB or FIFA be dictated to in this way by 1 country no matter who it was... (in FIFAs case that may change depending on the size of the brown envelope of course)/

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12 minutes ago, Jim from Oz said:

The International Rugby League chairman, Troy Grant, said that the support from the UK government was “unprecedented in rugby league history”. With the BBC showing every game in the men’s, women’s and wheelchair tournaments live, a postponement would be a nightmare for the broadcaster. Grant admitted it’s “critical it goes ahead” because “the broadcast opportunities, especially for the women’s game, are extraordinary – it will be a great leap forward”.

Given there has been no income from international rugby league since November 2019, Grant says it needs to happen this year for the game’s sake.

I read that and I think we are going to see some sort of team sent over. I think by the sounds of that they will reach some sort of compromise. I`m thinking the players will be consulted if they want to take the trip, which I expect most will, and if they don`t replacements won`t be hard to find, and some sort of squad will be put together.

I find it very hard to believe that Grant could be so adamant about the importance of this tournament proceeding and not be pushing it and also not seeming to be giving any indication of backsliding. Having said that he was a politician, so you can never be 100% of any thing they say.

Not sure what`s going on with Gould, they( the NRL) must have the pip with him since he walked on the NZRL thing, so he could have a bee in his bonnet at the moment and is making life hard for the NRL by trying to wedge them on the WC. That`d be his style, he can be like that. He`ll be right at home in the vipers nest that is Canterbury Bankstown.

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13 hours ago, Scubby said:

It is 6 weeks not 8 weeks he is making that up. Those teams not making the final will be back in pre season trading by Jan 19, those that do Jan 26.

He;s also making up the fact that the chairman of the International Rugby Board is from the UK and that its "his baby".. the chairman is an australian for a start and he has only been in post that long.. he just sees how important it is and is pushing for it to happen.

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4 minutes ago, RP London said:

He;s also making up the fact that the chairman of the International Rugby Board is from the UK and that its "his baby".. the chairman is an australian for a start and he has only been in post that long.. he just sees how important it is and is pushing for it to happen.

If 15 of the 16 teams have signed participation agreements for those NRL players it is done. NRL clubs must release players for major internationals and there are non bigger than the World Cup. The NRL/ARL only has power over its own national team. If they think they can bring the whole thing down by not participating then they are wrong. The competition should just go on without them and the USA can replace them in their group. They a only a member of the IRL not the IRL itself. 

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33 minutes ago, RP London said:

He;s also making up the fact that the chairman of the International Rugby Board is from the UK and that its "his baby".. the chairman is an australian for a start and he has only been in post that long.. he just sees how important it is and is pushing for it to happen.

Sadly the Lions tour was the aforementioned person's baby 😕 That went well.

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